Will you people please stop talking as though anyone who doesn't think the Phantom is perfect is just a bad player who can't beat one. Maybe they can beat one, maybe they even think it's balaned, maybe they just think it spoils the fun of the game.

I think Fat Han builds and being able to choose "zero" as a number on C3PO spoils the fun of the game, but I don't come here whining about it and suggesting fixes.

And yeah, they can beat one, they think it's balanced, but it needs to be fixed. That thought process just went south.

I'm not saying anyone who complains about a Phantom is a bad player. I'm saying the Phantom has its weaknesses (I've just laid most of it out on my posts here!! Surprise!!) and being able to exploit that is part of the fun of countering Phantoms. Being able to make the most out of the Phantom's strengths while arc-dodging its weaknesses is part of the fun of flying Phantoms!

Will you people please stop talking as though anyone who doesn't think the Phantom is perfect is just a bad player who can't beat one. Maybe they can beat one, maybe they even think it's balaned, maybe they just think it spoils the fun of the game.

I think Fat Han builds and being able to choose "zero" as a number on C3PO spoils the fun of the game, but I don't come here whining about it and suggesting fixes.

And yeah, they can beat one, they think it's balanced, but it needs to be fixed. That thought process just went south.

I'm not saying anyone who complains about a Phantom is a bad player. I'm saying the Phantom has its weaknesses (I've just laid most of it out on my posts here!! Surprise!!) and being able to exploit that is part of the fun of countering Phantoms. Being able to make the most out of the Phantom's strengths while arc-dodging its weaknesses is part of the fun of flying Phantoms!

There you go again, equating "whining" with "suggesting fixes". Not the same thing.

And how exactly has the thought process gone south? A fix can address issues of fun as well as issues of balance. This is a game, after all.

If a Phantom pilot came here suggesting fixes for the Phantom, then I see that as "suggesting fixes."

Suggesting a "fix" for something that isn't broken is "whining."

As for the "south" bit, well, if you're good enough to beat it and if you think it's balanced..... how can it be spoiling the fun? It's not broken, so if it's spoiling the fun, tough. I think having asteroids "spoils the fun" of when I'm flying Echo. It SEVERELY limits my decloak options which SEVERELY limits my maneuvering options, which in turn SEVERELY limits my shooting opportunities. Also, why can't I decloak over another ship or asteroid? Why can someone lock onto my ship even though I am cloaked? I don't come here whining about it and I certainly don't suggest fixes for these. They are obstacles in the game, they are there as challenges. Part of the fun is working around those limitations/challenges and working out a win in the end.