Yeah that sez it all. The point I wanted to make and discuss was simply why do we see weekly gripe/complain/skyfallies when the game is obviously doing so well?

It is just an internet thing, and once in a while people are in a mood to be chill or to fuss. Here the passion and care we have for the game is awesomeness, and much of the discussion is legit. Still being an older veteran it gets my dander up to see the waves of fuss fuss fuss.

I need to remember to just ignore post from people I do not like, and keep the fun in mind when a discussions gets hot.

I am one of the old wolves here, and I know **** well that the pups like to tussle and yip yip.

It's all good, and I am the master in my woods, regardless of what is going on out in the fields.

Yeah... that.

Acting like an adult and not calling people names is just as viable as ignoring them.

All of the complaints about FatHAN and other such fuss that we see every week is just too common here to be a good thing. Is any of it helping at this point... at all?

It might be helpfull to complain and get things of your chest.

To be fair my first post on these forums was a complaint about FFG making the XCOM game have a mandatory app.

(Well not really a complaint more a hopless atempt to make FFG reconsider.- It didn't work.)

Why would you possibly not want that game to have its app? That's kind of the whole point of the game, and the part that makes it better than other co-op games.

I tought the whole point of a boardgame was to be a boardgame. So now i'm playing the boardgame of a videogame with a tablet...what? why not just play Xcom instead?

I'm not against the app, i just wish it wasn't mandatory and you could play the game without it.

Why is it that so many have rushed to the defense of complainers, only to condemn the complainer of complainers? If the former has valid forum posts, then certainly the latter does as well, so long as both express their opinions respectfully.

Why is it that so many have rushed to the defense of complainers, only to condemn the complainer of complainers? If the former is a valid forum posts, then certainly the latter is as well, so long as both express their opinions respectfully.

True, but the former is at least discussing the game, whereas "complaining about the complainers" does nothing but try to silence discussion.

Why is it that so many have rushed to the defense of complainers, only to condemn the complainer of complainers? If the former is a valid forum posts, then certainly the latter is as well, so long as both express their opinions respectfully.

True, but the former is at least discussing the game, whereas "complaining about the complainers" does nothing but try to silence discussion.

In the opinion of the complainer of complainers, the complainers aren't engaging in any constructive discussion at all. Therefore, to complain of the complainers, at least from their perspective, is constructive.

Why is it that so many have rushed to the defense of complainers, only to condemn the complainer of complainers? If the former is a valid forum posts, then certainly the latter is as well, so long as both express their opinions respectfully.

True, but the former is at least discussing the game, whereas "complaining about the complainers" does nothing but try to silence discussion.

In the opinion of the complainer of complainers, the complainers aren't engaging in any constructive discussion at all. Therefore, to complain of the complainers, at least from their perspective, is constructive.

Ah, so two wrongs make a right.

Why is it that so many have rushed to the defense of complainers, only to condemn the complainer of complainers? If the former is a valid forum posts, then certainly the latter is as well, so long as both express their opinions respectfully.

True, but the former is at least discussing the game, whereas "complaining about the complainers" does nothing but try to silence discussion.

In the opinion of the complainer of complainers, the complainers aren't engaging in any constructive discussion at all. Therefore, to complain of the complainers, at least from their perspective, is constructive.

Ah, so two wrongs make a right.

Why is it that so many have rushed to the defense of complainers, only to condemn the complainer of complainers? If the former is a valid forum posts, then certainly the latter is as well, so long as both express their opinions respectfully.

True, but the former is at least discussing the game, whereas "complaining about the complainers" does nothing but try to silence discussion.

In the opinion of the complainer of complainers, the complainers aren't engaging in any constructive discussion at all. Therefore, to complain of the complainers, at least from their perspective, is constructive.

Ah, so two wrongs make a right.

I didn't say either was wrong. From each other's point of view, they are right to complain and the other is wrong to complain. My point is that the overwhelming majority reaction favored one type of complaining but won't tolerate another.

X wing doesn't suck.

X wing doesn't suck.

DAT!

Guys go do something else then... is kida what I think is best for these folks.

You types of peoples are clearly NOT happy.

I am very happy, and I know many others are too. Might be time to make up a happy group.

But maybe it's somewhere in between. Do you absolutely have to like or dislike the game? I originally bought the game because of the miniatures. I'll probably do so as long as they look good.

When I got it I wasn't even sure if I was going to play or not but when I did I loved the game. I could play it, my kids could play it, even my wife (who is not a war gamer) played it. Now it is more complicated and just a bit over whelming. Know what goes with what, the best synergies, the deck/squad building etc... In fact deck/squad building for many is a bigger part of the game than actual game time. Sooooooooooo many abilities and combinations and keeping up with them is something I don't have the time for.

So maybe I've gone from love to like. ()I still love the miniatures.)

[Edit] P.S. Simple rules is just the start, triple actions and nested actions have become very complex and some are opting for something easier. Having someone tell me they are opting for an easier game than X-Wing is something I never thought I'd hear about this game. Too complex to keep track of.

I agree, Ken. I've noticed the same thing. This may just be nostalgia goggles kicking in, but I really don't remember any of the older world championships hitting timers, now it seems fairly common that the win comes down to points. I do remember one person conceding with ships still on the board, but I think that had more to do with the match essentially being over and one of the players having to catch a flight.

I'm not a fan of the nested and response actions and synergy building as that become more and more of the core game. I think maybe sometimes the designers are just a little too clever for their own good. I'm still going to expand my OT collection further which means FFG has some more money coming in from (and I couldn't resist the playmats), but if they want me to keep buying the newer waves the complexity will need to slow down. The beauty of the Chardaan refit is that it comes up during the ship build and then has no impact on actual gameplay. Those are the buffs I can get behind.

When the x-wing fix comes up, give it a hull point or a shield or a point reduction. It doesn't need some special modification that triggers off instance X if ship Y is in range 2 outside of the primary firing arc of Z. Autothrusters are great in concept, I support the need for a buff, but they are going to slow the game down. Not a ton by themselves, but it all starts to add up. Simplicity is a lot of what drew in non-wargamers like me in the first place.

90% of my playtime is done with my kids and if they are bored with the game because it's above their level, I can't justify spending the cash on more. My stake in this is more tied to design than meta, by far.

Why is it that so many have rushed to the defense of complainers, only to condemn the complainer of complainers? If the former is a valid forum posts, then certainly the latter is as well, so long as both express their opinions respectfully.

True, but the former is at least discussing the game, whereas "complaining about the complainers" does nothing but try to silence discussion.

In the opinion of the complainer of complainers, the complainers aren't engaging in any constructive discussion at all. Therefore, to complain of the complainers, at least from their perspective, is constructive.

There is a vast, vast difference between those who complain and those that are hyperbolic complainers. Complaints are perfectly fine. No game is perfect. And while I disagree with quite a few of the complaints, it is okay to have issues with the game.

Not only do you have a very balanced game selling out that's fun, but the models are worth it as desk fodder for geeks! I have a few friends that don't play, just bought the ships for display pieces. I wanna say its a waste... But they sure do look good =)

Did you at least convince them to give you the cards and cardboard?