I totally support us having heated political debate of in-universe politics. That would be tremendous fun, but we would probably need a different thread for it.

Also, I think 'The Republic' is a misnomer for the political regime that existed before the Empire - but regimes are usually misnamed.

It's a failing of our genetic past that we gravitate to the strongest in our tribe, sheeple don't really care who's in charge as long as they have enough to eat and their personal freedoms are not too restrictive.

Revolutionaries tend to be little better than those they over throw, ideals falling away as their new power corrupts them.

When the machines rise up to kill us after the zombie apocalypse caused by the Mayan end of the world there will still be people who would rather submit to homicidal machines than fight.

One day we'll outgrow our ape instincts and we might finally see a true democracy.

Also guns are for wimps real men beat their enemies to death and eat their still beating hearts as the life fades from their eyes, s`how we do it in stoke.

Death to Unicorn! Wait, what?

Anyways, in my opinion if the union gets busted and wages go down, the money will only go to the CEO's pockets.

(and of course they should have allowed any planets that democratically chose to to secede from the Republic)

Fun fact is that the Supreme Court of the United States ruled after the Civil War that it is illegal for any state to secede from the union.

(and of course they should have allowed any planets that democratically chose to to secede from the Republic)

Fun fact is that the Supreme Court of the United States ruled after the Civil War that it is illegal for any state to secede from the union.

Well...It WAS one of the fundamental questions we fought the civil war over...

(and of course they should have allowed any planets that democratically chose to to secede from the Republic)

Fun fact is that the Supreme Court of the United States ruled after the Civil War that it is illegal for any state to secede from the union.

(and of course they should have allowed any planets that democratically chose to to secede from the Republic)

Fun fact is that the Supreme Court of the United States ruled after the Civil War that it is illegal for any state to secede from the union.

Well...It WAS one of the fundamental questions we fought the civil war over...

Well, I think that's abhorrent. I thought self rule was important to Americans.

(and of course they should have allowed any planets that democratically chose to to secede from the Republic)

Fun fact is that the Supreme Court of the United States ruled after the Civil War that it is illegal for any state to secede from the union.

Well...It WAS one of the fundamental questions we fought the civil war over...

Well, I think that's abhorrent. I thought self rule was important to Americans.

Mazz0, are you really trying to discuss the merits of the American Civil War on this board?

(If you think self-rule was important, what do you think of the right of the seceding states to maintain black people as property? Which do you find more abhorrent?)

I don't think that's really a fit topic for discussion here. But if you really want to explore that issue and burn up our inboxes, feel more than free to PM me.

Mazz0, are you really trying to discuss the merits of the American Civil War on this board?

(If you think self-rule was important, what do you think of the right of the seceding states to maintain black people as property? Which do you find more abhorrent?)

I don't think that's really a fit topic for discussion here. But if you really want to explore that issue and burn up our inboxes, feel more than free to PM me.

No, it's the illegality of succession I think is abhorrent. There's no reason that must be tied to the illegality of slavery. I think it was fine for Tatooine to not be a member of the Republic, but it was not fine that they had slavery there.

Plus, the last time there was fighting on American Soil was the Civil War...

...can't...stop...myself...

Actually, the last time the US was invaded was June 3rd, 1942. The Japanese invaded the Aleutian Islands to distract the US military for many months before getting involved in their island hopping campaign.

Of course, you mean mainland United States, though. For that, you have Mexican Revolutionary Pancho Villa whom invaded New Mexico in March of 1916.

Anyways, I, for one, am happy that the Emperor has disbanded the useless Senate in order to stop the deadlock on Corescant and actually get things done! I was sick of all the dang blasted news channels, who all have their bias, quibbling about pointless BS. Something had to be done as nothing was getting done and partisanship politics was tearing the Republic apart. Besides, I know Palpatine refused the crown three times before he accepted.

Do y'all have any idea how happy ol' George Lucas would be to know that we are discussing political theory and trade negotiations on here.

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Cue offensive stereotypical accent:

"As you know, our slowdown is perfectly legal"

But what if the planet is rules by a monarch such as naboo or aldaraan?

How can a planet with no democracy or at least no semblance of one (I don't buy into that "elect your queen business") democratically secede from anything? And there is large danger by letting members simply leave whenever they want...how could the "republic" survive if you could simply leave when something you didn't like happened or they started "taxing" you more than you wanted to pay? An easy way out would only lead to more problems...keep in mind the "republic" is millions of miles away from most of the "people of the republic." Why should they worry about staying and paying for something so distant and nebulous?

Why? Because there are benefits to staying. If you no longer feel those benefits are worth the costs then of course you should be allowed to leave. To force people to stay against their wil is obscene, that would be a clear case of the majority imposing their will on a minority and would make you just as bad as the monarchies you (correctly) hold in such disdain.

I've no problem with calling your democratically leader king/queen (so long as it's not an elected for life thing, which it wasn't on Naboo, we don't know the situation on Alderaan), in fact I rather like the idea - kinda like rubbing it in the face of the old hereditary system. As a British republican I actually don't see why we'd need to replace the monarchy with anything at all, but if we did I'd be in favour of electing a new king/queen every ten years or whatever.

There's a strong body of evidence* that having a monarch with certain real, but limited powers makes for a stronger democracy than not having a monarch. This didn't really help Canada with the Abrogation crisis of 2009**, but the theory is sound.

As far as seceding from a Republic... It is very bad for that to be an easy possibility. Instead of a "tyranny of the majority", you effectively give the minority a veto over the policy of an entire nation. This actually creates a tyranny of the minority. It's one of the reasons the Union side of the American Civil War had the moral upper hand***- a nation cannot survive if any policy dispute can lead to dissolution.

Nor, of course, should a nation continue if its policies make each part of it weaker than they would be on their own. The last 30 years have shown how to amicably settle thiar differences, cf: Scotland, The Czech Republic, Québec, et al.

*Political Science is a real science, darn it!

**Screw you, Harper

***The other reason, if course, was that the Union was not the slave-owning faction. Also let us remember that the great principle for which the South fought was the right to own slaves, and to expand the slave owning territory.

Anyways, I, for one, am happy that the Emperor has disbanded the useless Senate in order to stop the deadlock on Corescant and actually get things done! I was sick of all the dang blasted news channels, who all have their bias, quibbling about pointless BS. Something had to be done as nothing was getting done and partisanship politics was tearing the Republic apart. Besides, I know Palpatine refused the crown three times before he accepted.

How is Balistic Skill pointless?! My Elf Ranger makes very good use of it, I'll have you know!

There's a strong body of evidence* that having a monarch with certain real, but limited powers makes for a stronger democracy than not having a monarch. This didn't really help Canada with the Abrogation crisis of 2009**, but the theory is sound.

As far as seceding from a Republic... It is very bad for that to be an easy possibility. Instead of a "tyranny of the majority", you effectively give the minority a veto over the policy of an entire nation. This actually creates a tyranny of the minority. It's one of the reasons the Union side of the American Civil War had the moral upper hand***- a nation cannot survive if any policy dispute can lead to dissolution.

Nor, of course, should a nation continue if its policies make each part of it weaker than they would be on their own. The last 30 years have shown how to amicably settle thiar differences, cf: Scotland, The Czech Republic, Québec, et al.

*Political Science is a real science, darn it!

**Screw you, Harper

***The other reason, if course, was that the Union was not the slave-owning faction. Also let us remember that the great principle for which the South fought was the right to own slaves, and to expand the slave owning territory.

I believe it should be as easy as a majority vote (of the entire electorate, in principle, how you compromise in practice is a different matter) to secede from anything. It's then up to the other partner if they ever want to rejoin, I imagine you'd be very unlikely to accept. Yeah, your country will be reduced, in many ways, but that's tough - you have no right to impose your will on people just to protect your own interests.

Not sure what you meant using Scotland as an example - they were free to leave if that was what they voted for, fortunately they didn't (I'd miss the Union, being half English, half Scottish).

Slavery gets the Union (American) moral points, imperialism loses them points.

Yeah, let's leave the Civil War oit of this. Punning Pundit is right, the reason the South left was becuase of Slave Owning Rights that they felt were going to be taken away through legislation. It was a fiscal decision disguised as State's Rights and it was one of the first things mentioned in the Articles of Secession and is the only State's Rights mentioned in the doccument as being infringed upon.

There was no other reason but Slavehood Rights and right after seceding the South mobilized an army and marched north to take more Territory to make a Slave Owning State.

There was no nobility in the Secession and it was all about Money and ownership of property (The property being other human beings.) The Right to Own Slaves is not a justifiable cuase to leave the Union. It would be like argueing ISIS has the right to start its own country and do with its people as they please becuase it is popular among the ISIS followers.

A pragmatic suggestion - route the shipments to ports on the gulf coast. The opportunity cost savings from many, many customers eagerly waiting to empty their wallets has to be greater than the additional shipping cost. X-wing is one of the hottest games, yet the shelves are bare. It is time to take action on a workaround to the problem.

Yeah, let's leave the Civil War oit of this. Punning Pundit is right, the reason the South left was becuase of Slave Owning Rights that they felt were going to be taken away through legislation. It was a fiscal decision disguised as State's Rights and it was one of the first things mentioned in the Articles of Secession and is the only State's Rights mentioned in the doccument as being infringed upon.

There was no other reason but Slavehood Rights and right after seceding the South mobilized an army and marched north to take more Territory to make a Slave Owning State.

There was no nobility in the Secession and it was all about Money and ownership of property (The property being other human beings.) The Right to Own Slaves is not a justifiable cuase to leave the Union. It would be like argueing ISIS has the right to start its own country and do with its people as they please becuase it is popular among the ISIS followers.

ISIS do, if the local population agree, have the right to form their own country - there's nothing inviolable about the currently defined countries. What they don't have the right to do is torture and kill people, or all the other horrible things (in my opinion) that they do. Similarly the South had the right to form their own country, they just didn't have the right to own slaves, or kill or torture people, etc. The North was right to stop them in this case, but just because the South's reason to leave was a terrible one doesn't mean they don't have a right to leave when they want to.

A pragmatic suggestion - route the shipments to ports on the gulf coast. The opportunity cost savings from many, many customers eagerly waiting to empty their wallets has to be greater than the additional shipping cost. X-wing is one of the hottest games, yet the shelves are bare. It is time to take action on a workaround to the problem.

Might the ships not be committed to docking at their original destinations by now? I can imagine it being very hard to change your destination dock when you've already arrived at one.

They should build a big railway! Don't Russia and Alaska get quite close together? Build a bridge or tunnel at the Bering Straight!

Anyone know how much freight travels from China to Europe by train, compared to by boat?

I would pay the same prices for unpainted, unassembled FFG ships if it meant they were produced/shipped in the US.

I would pay the same prices for unpainted, unassembled FFG ships if it meant they were produced/shipped in the US.

Remember... red painted TIEs do not go fasta!

I would pay the same prices for unpainted, unassembled FFG ships if it meant they were produced/shipped in the US.

Remember... red painted TIEs do not go fasta!

I would pay the same prices for unpainted, unassembled FFG ships if it meant they were produced/shipped in the US.

Remember... red painted TIEs do not go fasta!

Don't think I haven't considered gluing all kinds of plastic bits all all over my S&V stuff and paint them like Speed Freakz.

That... would be awesome lol.

Awesome, yes, but I've already decided to redo my S&V in the various colors of the Galactic Catering Group. Wookie Pizza, Pizza Hutt, Hoth Fudge Sundaes, Bantha Burger, and Sullust Spice Traders will all be represented among others.

Ya know... the more I think about it, the whole union dock fiasco and it's affect on the miniature gaming world would make a great plot for a Big Bang Theory episode...

Wait, there's such a thing as a good Big Bang Theory episode?

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