Nah. If FFG don't make the first scum ship the Action VI Wild Karrde, then they're doing it wrong. And the ability to carry TIEs suggests some potentially fun mechanics for an Imperial gozanti. It'll be Imp, has to be.

Nah. If FFG don't make the first scum ship the Action VI Wild Karrde, then they're doing it wrong. And the ability to carry TIEs suggests some potentially fun mechanics for an Imperial gozanti. It'll be Imp, has to be.

But there are sooooooo many choices for the Scum that it is ridiculous.

The Gozanti is only marginally larger than the Falcon. No way it would work on the Epic Ship scale. Since all Epic Ships are basically cut down to half size, they woudl have to make an epic ship that ends up looking smaller than the Falcon... that that simply doesn't make sense.

I don't think that's the canon length. The actual size is 63.8m (according to Wookieepedia, that's drawn from a canon source, the SW: Rebels Visual Guide). The larger size also agrees better with Rebels, and in particular with the images that show it comfortably carrying four TIEs.

Yeah but place 4 TIEs on a Falcon, and you'll see that it simply doesn't measure up. Even if the Gozanti is twice as large as a Falcon, that would mean if they made one at the same scale as the other Epic ships, it would essentially be Falcon sized... which would just be wierd.

I suppose it would be possible for them to make an epic ship at a different scale, but then you'd have yet another inconsistency of scales. Ideally , if they made a Gozanti, I think it woudl be best if it were simply a large ship rather than a Huge Epic ship - this way they can keep it to the same scale as the TIEs, so you can physically like them up with it. Otherwise it's not gonna look right IMO. But still then you'd have a large ship that is probably even bigger than a Decimator... so I just don't see how it could be done.

It's a sliding scale. The Gozanti would probably be 1/270 or only slightly less.

Citations on Epic not "taking off" or the models sitting on the shelves, please. Because they went back for a reprint really quick. I want to say June or July, only 2-3 months after release. Do they sell as much as the smaller ships, of course not. And you would be silly to think that is what FFG was expecting.

I wish I had the data to give you. All I have is anecdotal evidence, which is.. anecdotal.

I think that the Huge ships were a marketing success. People (myself included) bought them. I think our questions (as customers) is how much use we've gotten out of them. Most players in my area have both of the Huge ships, but can probably count the times they've flown them on one hand. In other words, they are sitting on shelves, just not the shelves of the stores as much.

So, I would love to see epic play be as much of a gaming success as the huge ships are a marketing success.

Also, from my experience, epic games do not tend to last much longer than normal 100 point matches, in fact, they tend to last about the same.

The epic ships, specially the corvettes, already suck a great chunk from those 300 available points, and people tend to equip their ships better instead of upgrade-starving them in order to make them fit on a 100 points list. Suddenly, some ships decide to carry ordnance simply because you can spare 10-15 points on it.

Furthermore, for those same reasons, epic games can be perfectly played on the same 3'x3' board without cluttering. And if one side decides to 'overswarm', most of the time, he bothers himself as much or more than its enemy.

Citations on Epic not "taking off" or the models sitting on the shelves, please. Because they went back for a reprint really quick. I want to say June or July, only 2-3 months after release. Do they sell as much as the smaller ships, of course not. And you would be silly to think that is what FFG was expecting.

I wish I had the data to give you. All I have is anecdotal evidence, which is.. anecdotal.

I think that the Huge ships were a marketing success. People (myself included) bought them. I think our questions (as customers) is how much use we've gotten out of them. Most players in my area have both of the Huge ships, but can probably count the times they've flown them on one hand. In other words, they are sitting on shelves, just not the shelves of the stores as much.

So, I would love to see epic play be as much of a gaming success as the huge ships are a marketing success.

Meh - I've played a couple of games at home with my epic ships, and have seen a number of stores running Epic play campaign weekends/tournaments. People are definitely interested in playing Epic and Cinematic play games - but I think the lack of an Imperial equivalent has held the format back.

Once the Raider hits I think we'll see it's popularity increase. Hell, a lot of people are looking forward to playing 4 x IG2000 lists in Epic play once Scum hits.

Also, from my experience, epic games do not tend to last much longer than normal 100 point matches, in fact, they tend to last about the same

I don't know what you have been doing then. Every epic game I have played has lasted 3-4 hours.

I expect alot more epic games to take place once the raider comes out, ppl will want to be able to play big ship vs big ship.

Even more epic games will occur once ppl are able to field all 4 IG 88 as well

I expect alot more epic games to take place once the raider comes out, ppl will want to be able to play big ship vs big ship.

Even more epic games will occur once ppl are able to field all 4 IG 88 as well

What are "alot" and "ppl"?

I'm just disappointed that there are no jamming capabilities on the raider.

I expect alot more epic games to take place once the raider comes out, ppl will want to be able to play big ship vs big ship. Even more epic games will occur once ppl are able to field all 4 IG 88 as well

What are "alot" and "ppl"?

Did you not have your coffee this morning, that spelling errors are setting you off?

Speaking of which, I need to 'brew up'.

Also, from my experience, epic games do not tend to last much longer than normal 100 point matches, in fact, they tend to last about the same

I don't know what you have been doing then. Every epic game I have played has lasted 3-4 hours.

It depends on the forces. Epic games with huge ships on both sides wouldn't be so bad, since it doesn't take too long to maneuver one big ship as opposed to many small ones.

I think the average time of an epic game could drop after the Raider is here, all depending on the force compositions. 300 points of TIEs are going to be a pain to plan and move. Two corvettes takes about 5min per turn. Right now small ships are really good in epic, so you have long games. If the Raider changes that up we could be looking at shorter (but probably never as short as standard skirmish) games.

Also, from my experience, epic games do not tend to last much longer than normal 100 point matches, in fact, they tend to last about the same

I don't know what you have been doing then. Every epic game I have played has lasted 3-4 hours.

If both players are planning ahead (which I do and I have my dials ready in less than a minute.) Instead of waiting for when they pick up the dials and you already know what your ships can do without reading the card then the game will run smoothly.

It's like chess, the better player is thinking ahead and knows which move he is going to make several moves before he makes it, so when you put them on a clock their games can go quite fast. But this style of play is not for beginners.

Believe it or not psycologists have found over 90% of our decisions are made in the first few seconds we are given a choice, sometimes almost instantly. We just spend the rest of our "thinking" time justifing our decisions.

Mistakes can be made if rushed obviously but if you are constantly following the battle and not just when its your turn you will already be seeing the batle unfold and will see the mistakes way before you pickup the dial.

I see this all the time, people waiting till its "their" turn before they even begin to think what their choices are going to be in every aspect of life. So follow the game and watch for openings in every aspect of the game, not just when you pickup the dials. Your games will speed up 10 times faster and you enjoyment will also increase along with your opponent's.

I think it's interesting that FFG said the next set up in size from the VT-49 was the Lancer in the Raider article, hence the invention of the Raider.

That'd imply the Gozanti wasn't considered.

Or it was, and it's already in the process of being developed in their underground game-design lair.

I hope epic will thrive, and I think the raider will definitely help, but I still don't think we will see another imperial epic ship. I'd love to be wrong about that though. There are not many ships on either side that fit into the size range we are talking about here, after all, that is why they had to invent the raider.

I think it was a mistake to release the corvette without an imperial counterpart too. Hopefully the raider breathes some life into epic play.

I think the next huge ship will be for the scum

I have little doubt, since this ship is so hyped, that it will be so.... The Scum Gozanti:

The Storm Commando Escort Carrier

by Macross_VF1

What could fill the role of the Imperial match to the GR-75? Will FFG create another new ship?

What could fill the role of the Imperial match to the GR-75? Will FFG create another new ship?

Your assumption that it has to be a GR-75 equivalent is wrong.

You have literally no basis for that statement whatsoever.

What could fill the role of the Imperial match to the GR-75? Will FFG create another new ship?

Your assumption that it has to be a GR-75 equivalent is wrong.

You have literally no basis for that statement whatsoever.

They can choose a ship, like the one in the photo above,

that's bigger than the CR90 Corvette instead of smaller than the CR90 Corvette.

• If I remember correctly the limit the CEO of FFG talked about was 200 meters not 150 meters.

What could fill the role of the Imperial match to the GR-75? Will FFG create another new ship?

Your assumption that it has to be a GR-75 equivalent is wrong.

You have literally no basis for that statement whatsoever.

My basis for that statement is that FFG doesn't have to tie their own hands.

They can choose a ship, like the one in the photo above,

Gabe,

For starters, Koing907 doesn't say that he assumes that the next Imperial has to be a GR-75 equivalent. Your assumption, that he is saying that it must be a GR-75 equivalent, may be wrong. He might just be stating a hypothetical: "if FFG were to produce a GR-75 equivalent, what might that be?" After all, he begins his statement with "what could..." not with "what will..."

But, let's assume that this is his assumption. Unless you have insider information, you can't know if Koing907's assumption (which we presume is his assumption) is wrong. As such, I infer from your written tone, and I induce from your past blunt behavior, that you're just being rude.

Why do you feel the need to be that way?

Unless you have insider information...

He doesn't. He just likes posting pictures.

They're very nice pictures.

What could fill the role of the Imperial match to the GR-75? Will FFG create another new ship?

Your assumption that it has to be a GR-75 equivalent is wrong.

You have literally no basis for that statement whatsoever.

My basis for that statement is that FFG doesn't have to tie their own hands.

They can choose a ship, like the one in the photo above,

that's bigger than the CR90 Corvette instead of smaller than the CR90 Corvette.

• If I remember correctly the limit the CEO of FFG talked about was 200 meters not 150 meters.

Excellent.

Well whatever may come, I'm still hope for both another Imperial Epic ship and the continuation of Epic and missions, missions, missions, to both boost and fill the desire for Epic play.

Please! More thematic missions with suggested pre-built squad that include Epic Play.

There I said it and I am not ashamed.

What could fill the role of the Imperial match to the GR-75? Will FFG create another new ship?

Your assumption that it has to be a GR-75 equivalent is wrong.

You have literally no basis for that statement whatsoever.

My basis for that statement is that FFG doesn't have to tie their own hands.

They can choose a ship, like the one in the photo above,

that's bigger than the CR90 Corvette instead of smaller than the CR90 Corvette.

• If I remember correctly the limit the CEO of FFG talked about was 200 meters not 150 meters.

Excellent.

The CR90's at the top of their scale. Plus, as a 3EP ship the only other size left is a 2 EP ship (they'll never make a 1 EP ship because you could run 5 ramming bases, an they'll never do 4 or 5 because they'd be unuseable in Team Epic).