I beat a Super Dash to win my first tournament. Beat a swarm on my way there. Then in my second tournament, beat an Echo list.

To be quite honest, I think that Super Dash is very easy to beat. When Dash uses PtL, he only has four maneuvers to pick from. So you know where he's going to be. The only time I've lost to Dash is when he didn't use PtL.

Swarms and named Phantoms are hard and take disciple. Know your arcs and theirs. Blocking and action denial are huge.

Fat Han is definitely a challenge, but doable.

Beat BSP predator swarm(with chippy), beat fat han lots, almost beat dual phantoms.

Imperial player and I have won against all of them (and lost against all but Dash), though I found Fat Han the most challenging. The easiest? Dash. I beat him like he stole something with a variety of lists, though it is simplest with EU Decimator. The games were in a mix of casual and highly competitive tournament games.

Fat Han fell to my 6 BSP with outmanoeuvre and 3 predator. Happy days.

Killed a Falcon with a team of Original Maarek Steele, Kir Kanos, Winged Gundark and the man himself, Fel's Wrath.

True story. Falcon was playing pretty badly though.

Well as by now many of you have figured out the purpose of this thread was in response to all those posts about "X-wing losing its way to Phantoms" or "I'm burned out by all those fat turret ships that I've lost to" and such as people have publicly declared their intentions to quit because the top meta lists are unbeatable.

So to prove that those unbeatable lists are indeed beatable here is a whole thread to counter that argument that turrets and phantoms are OP. Sure top tier list have commonalities and are used by very competitive players that place high in tournaments but again that is more of a testament to the skill of those players not just the list that they build. There are countless other players that have copied the same list and while they may share some success they still haven't reached the same level as the regional and world championship players and have faced defeat by list that were not in the top meta tier.

It is still not just about what you build but why you build and how you fly it.

I've beaten them all at one point or another. Gencon I was a perfect 4-0 against Whisper, but 0-1 against Echo and 1-2 against Fat Han.

My current list is 4-0 against Fat Han, and 3-1 against Whisper (haven't played against an Echo with it yet). Super Dash is EASY (free points!), and Decimators fall just about as quickly as Han does. Go go Prockets + Double Tap. Something about rolling 13-16 dice into fat ships over 3-4 attacks makes them die. And something about super mobile PS10 Corran makes Phantoms die. But those A wings - they're not worth their weight in gold. =P

Beat Han. Beat Dash. Beat Echo. All with the same list and it wasn't a "top tier" list.

Beat the following today:

Whisper + ACD + VI

OGP Lambda + Vader

3x Academy Ties

with

Wes Janson + VI

Wedge + Outmaneuver + RD-2D + Shield Upgrade

Dutch Vander + Ion Turret + Flechette Torpedo

For some reason I managed to dodge most arcs so that no Rebel ship could ever truly be focused down, Wedge "outmaneuvered" Whisper once, but only landed one hit. Once caught in the two X-Wings arcs Whisper went down fast. Dutch was long gone by then, his Ion landing one hit on a TIE Fighter and his Flechette Torpedo exploding together with him unused. After some plinking Janson was taken off the table thanks to Vader, but Wedge mopped up pretty good by killing one more TIE Fighter and the Lambda, prompting the remaining TIE Fighter with its last hull point to run away...

What makes this special to me is the fact that this was my first time to fly against a Phantom ever

I beat a nightmare Whisper-Echo squad once.

Just.

Once.

*Lifts eyepatch*

I have never fought with or against "Fat Han" or "Super Dash" in what I understand are the most common incarnations. I have fought against "Whisper" (and "Echo"). The Phantom is an annoying opponent but I have not found them "unstoppable". In fact, my battles with each of them have ended in outstanding victories for my forces. Y-wings with ICT made it rather easy, actually.

Well as by now many of you have figured out the purpose of this thread was in response to all those posts about "X-wing losing its way to Phantoms" or "I'm burned out by all those fat turret ships that I've lost to" and such as people have publicly declared their intentions to quit because the top meta lists are unbeatable.

And this is why the entire thing is inane.

First, it's a MASSIVE straw man - nobody is claiming they're utterly unbeatable. They're just strong enough that most other lists are at a notable disadvantage, and the game is collapsing into something both repetitive and uninteresting. So "I beat Fat Han that one time!" doesn't actually counter anything, because most people acknowledge it as possible. We've had results where it gets beaten. It's certainly possible.

Second, 35 anecdotes of "I beat it too!" is so far from being meaningful data that claiming this thread means anything borders on outright lying.

That this is the level of discussion in the community right now is just embarrassing

Went to a 28-person store championship recently. Played against phantoms in the majority of games. Saw 1-2 Han's and only 1 super-Dash.

Decimators were ridiculously common though. Killed 2/3 that I faced. Autothrusters will even it out pretty well. I think both Whisper and the decimator will be hurt by Autothruster soontir's popularity.

Yes, I have shot down a Whisper and destroyed a Dash

Last tournament I played at I beat this grouping:

Dash + 3x Z95

Corran/Han - slightly different from the other two

Corran/Han - exact same build as #5

Han + 3x Z95

Corran/Han

One of those was in the top 16 in Worlds. And the last guy flew his Falcon off the board (he had me dead to rights multiple times). Keep your cool and play your game, they're not unbeatable.

The list I did it with? 2x CRAPs (Chardaan Refit Awing Prototypes), Tala Z-95, Tarn + R7, Keyan + PTL

My strategy was to bump the big ships with my prototypes, and have the rest fall in for the kill. Two of those games I killed Corran first in one round of firing. One was luck, the other was a well versed strategy. Han and his 3 friends didn't stand much of a chance, he ran Han around the far side and by the time he came back around the 3 Z's were long dead. And the last match was against someone who had a much better strategy than me and was doing amazing for being a new player. Then, he started showing signs of stress/fatigue and ended up flying his Falcon off the board. I was able to take down Corran with only Tarn and the Tala. He missed plenty of opportunities to double fire Corran and take out the Tala, but him being that shook up along with giving me windows, it was only a matter of time.