Or Tie Swarm, Doesn't have to be in a competitive tournament or anything (although those could count as bonus points). Just simple.

If you have won a match against any or all of the "Top Meta" archtypes then just leave a reply been there, done that.

As for those who say that it only counts if it is in the top tournament lists I will tell you that those players could take a squad list that has none of those archtypes and still beat you, they just have more practice and make better maneuvers.

Oh and Yes I have beaten Whisper, and have shot down Hans with C-3PO, and have won a match against super dash.

Tournament and otherwise, I have.

All the above. In both friendly and tournament games. This game is STILL about who is the best pilot. Lists are great,but only if you can fly them.

I have actually yet to play against a proper Fat Han or Super Dash. I have lost games playing with both, if that counts for anything.

I haven't beaten a TIE swarm, but then again I only know one guy who has all of the TIEs required and he doesn't play it that often due to how mentally taxing it can be. I could probably count the games on one hand.

I have beaten Whisper repeatedly, though.

I beat super dash the first time I saw it.

I once ioned dash, and then stayed in the donut with a y wing for 3 turns.

I beat whisper but still lost the match, and then the following match beat everything but whisper, still outflying her.

I beat fat han, but using Chewie and predator. The crits were the game changer.

Swarms still elude me. We don't see many these days, but when they pop up they usually do stuff I didn't think space ships could do. Much respect for true swarm players

The level of inane in this discussion is reaching Wicker Man levels of parody.

The level of inane in this discussion is reaching Wicker Man levels of parody.

I now have a flashback to Wave III

Ahem:

NO! Not the Bs! AAAAARGH! They're in my eyes!

I beat Phantom players by killing their Decimator or mini swarm and winning on time. If the time limit didn't exist I would simply lose every game I played a Tie swarm against one. 2 attack dice do nothing against the Phantom, and that's if you get shots on it.

Any sort of fat turret list is easy to kill with all the stuff that the Phantoms hard counter, so yeah, I've won against those types of lists.

I can play roark and a bunch of swarm tactics ion ships and kill a Phantom right off the bat and then have a 'meh' list against anything else.

I could tell you how I have faired against them or you could see for your self by watching Tournament #4

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I started playing when the X-Wing first came out and saw the developement of some of the firat net-lists and heard that they were almost impossible to beat. Then I beat them with non-net-lists. The same will always continue as the game progresses.

The trick is knowing your list inside and out, then knowing how the Net-Lists work. They all have weaknesses and you will lose to them at first. But there is nothing better than beating those Net-Lists with your own list by being the better pilot.

The Net-Lists are hard and annoying when someone who is bad at piloting uses them as a crutch, but remember they are using them becuase their pilot skills are not good.

Now if a top notch player is using them regularly in non-tourament games that is just a lame player leaning on the easy button.

Beat a Super Dash + Corran last week. I flew Wedge (Swarm+R2), Keyan (PTL), Cracken (VI), and a Prototype (Refit). He ran Corran to the outside. When Dash moved onto a rock he was forced to Barrel Roll towards me to get a shot in. I took Dash down to 2 hull. Killed him in the next round. Corran spent the rest of the game running away, but I eventually sniped him dead before time expired.

Saturday at a Tourny I used the same list and killed a Deci-Whisper. He was bringing Whisper around the outside of the board setting up a flank while moving the Deci to the center, then turning away to bait me in. Once I saw he was in position and would likely bank Whisper between 2 rocks to a flank position, I left banked Keyan and the Prototype to chase the Deci. He then sprung his trap and brought Whisper into a Flank Position. I sprung my counter-trap and Right banked Wedge and Cracken head on to Whisper. PS10 Cracken (go VI) shot first and took the shields down, giving Wedge both TL and Focus (Wedge T/L then Cracken let him Focus after his shot). Wedge shot and killed Whisper. After a K-turn its was run and gun after the Deci, who only lasted 3 more rounds with 4 ships shooting him. Wedge died.

Normally in these setups I pick one of the ships and dogpile on it till it dies (like the 1st match). The second match I was able to guess my opponents plan and while "falling for the bait" was able to set Whisper up with a high PS ship to hurt him uncloaked then use Wedge to take away a green dice. It worked that time. I could just have easily rolled blanks and then been hosed as my forces were split with half of them facing an out flanking Phantom.

The Fat Han + 3xBandit still gives me issues. I may try my own Fat Han + 2 B-Wings or 2 A-Wings to counter.

I'd also love to try 5 A-Wings with Prockets and just blast Fat Han quick (hoping to kill him with those 25 dice) then play tag with the less maneuverable Z's and snipe them to death.

I think Panic Attack (3x Blue with Tactician + Gold with Ion Turret and the Stress-Bot) may be a fun counter to dual Falcon/Deci/Outriders. With 2 stress on each, even if he does a green move he still has 1 and can't perform Actions (including those pesky Crits that you can flip over as an Action). After 2 rounds if he just accepts the stress and tokens build up, dogpile on 1 until its dead, then come back and finish the other. If he keeps trying to clear stress, go 2 on 1 and hope you can wear him down while his inability to use TL/Focus keeps you alive long enough.

That would be a big fat NO.

Does Echo count? Because I just beat an Echo list last week with an Eaden Vrill, Jan, Nera build. My opponent got rather pissed when his four green dice failed him.

Also destroyed a full-health Dash in one turn, but then he wiffed all his green dice and had bumped that turn.

Yes, I have beaten all three archetypes in casual games. I've not been to too many tournaments, nor do I remember all the stuff I've played against, but I know that I've beaten all of those on occasion.

I'm not the best player in my scene, and I usually fly a TIE Bomber-centric list.

Point being: don't whine about builds. Just fly, have fun, and get better along the way.

The level of inane in this discussion is reaching Wicker Man levels of parody.

The level of inane in this discussion is reaching Wicker Man levels of parody.

I now have a flashback to Wave III

Ahem:

NO! Not the Bs! AAAAARGH! They're in my eyes!

No Not the Bees

I've only met Fat Han once, while I was not flying any of my usual lists, we ended up with full health Etahn with PtL and R2 vs 7 Hull Fat Han. I wen Focus+Evade each round and he turtled up with Evade and C3PO. I needed 3 natural hits to deal a single damage on him, and he needed me to roll at least two blanks. We went two or three rounds and then shook on it. Was a quite fun ending of our match, he won the Tournament and got to go to worlds.

The level of inane in this discussion is reaching Wicker Man levels of parody.

How so?

I've beaten those lists. Do I get a cookie?

The level of inane in this discussion is reaching Wicker Man levels of parody.

Whereas the pomposity is relegated to a select few.

I beat a Whisper list each time I played vs him. Five times, I think.
I played vs Fat Han just one time and lost, but Han escaped with 2 hull remaining.
Didn't played vs Super Dash yet. I will play vs him on national tourney next week, I think.

Won against all of them.

Lost to all of them.

I've beaten a super dash before in a tournament.

The store championship I placed first in was a meta-fight all the way to the last round:

R1: Whisper/Chiraneu, win

R2: Corran/Dash, loss

R3: Fat Han/HLC Wild Sace Fringer, win

R4: Corran/Dash, win

Top Cut

T8: Same Corran/Dash from R2, win

T4: Whisper/Ciraneu, win

Final: Corran/Rookie/Rookie/Z, win

Of course, I played Chewie + Lando both with Predator in a very attrition-defensive based list. I also made my opponents fly through the asteroids making it harder for them to play X-Wing. It was my best day of X-Wing yet.

In all honesty, we need to understand that the griping and complaining of meta-defining archetypes are troublesome to people. Immediately dismissing those players crying wolf about the meta as crybabies and saying "suck it up butter cup" isn't exactly the most polite way to go about proving or disproving their stances on the meta, nor is it the correct way. We have to understand that, in any game, metas develop and archetypes solidify or vary accordingly from tournament to tournament. The tiring thing that people are having the most problems with is the repetitiveness of it all, which, again, is a very reasonable disposition towards the "fun" aspect of X-Wing.

However, these players also need to realize that complaining about competitive X-Wing is ultimately fruitless. Competitive X-Wing players will play competitive lists, competitive lists are lists that have proven to be consistent, consistency in a game with varying list-building qualities breeds archetypes and creates a "meta game". If those players do not realize this, then going to a tournament only to complain after the fact that X and Y is over powered is just a show of ignorance and intolerance on their part.

Success is achieved through adaptation. Either accept the meta and become the master of an archetype (or all of them for that matter) to gain the confidence needed to fly a meta list, or be creative and build an "anti-meta" list that is adapted and tooled to defeat the more popular archetypes within a meta. Some fun and somewhat competitive lists out there that aren't part of the Falcon-Phantom-Swarm meta that are notably fun and challenging to fly:

A-Wing Swarm

"Panic Attack"

Triple Bounty Hunter

Rebel Swarm - XXBBZ/BBBBZ/XXXXZ/XXXXA

RGP Interceptor Dance Party

In the end, play the game to have fun. If you're not having fun in a competitive environment, don't play competitively. Remember why you bought the game in the first place, be it your love for Star Wars, the miniatures themselves, the mechanics, friends/family game nights. Refresh yourself with the reason why you play X-Wing in the first place and maybe you'll gain a new perspective on how and why metas exist and why people play the top meta lists.

I've beaten whisper with Carnor, Soontir and Turr, asteroids can be your friend and if you know where they are going to decloak to...

Won against all archtypes, in tournaments or otherwise.

Spike is spot-on, meta's in their various guises are the natural evolution of competitive play. I loves a challenge so i'm happy to face them. The only drawback is that their popularity does stifle natural variation in lists which is a shame but hey-ho. For me; i like to be different so i rarely fly a meta list (and yes i know this often puts me at a disadvantage)...

To answer the thread question;

I have both won and lost to fat han/chewie/dash/phantom lists, both in and out of tournaments. A recent list of XXYY has beaten both a fat chewie/super dash list, a duel firespray list and two AAAAA lists...