Is there a definition of what these are. I guess I'm asking to see if cards that have the ACTION header are new special types where everything is part of the action.
Tried to look for thread about this and will delete if someone can direct me to one.
Cards with the ACTION header essentially add a new function to the action bar of the assigned ship. Everything on the card describes what this action does. So I think you pretty much understood that already.
Ok I have been using them wrong totally. I didnt think they added it to the action bar. And Thought it was just the general action (eg barrel roll, target lock etc) part that was the action, so a bit strange for expose for example.
This is a massive game changer
Cards with the ACTION header are not added to the bar, but do take your action. This matters because of the crit that makes you lose the ability to take actions listed on your bar. Upgrades like engine upgrade and others that read 'X gets added to your action bar' are neutralized but you can still use Expert Handling and other cards with the ACTION header because it isn't part of your action bar.
Edited by NyxenOk yep I thought so but what about action definitions. Is it the whole card or just the normal action part?
Ok yep I thought so but what about action definitions. Is it the whole card or just the normal action part?
The whole card.
Basically, a card with Action header grant you a new type of action. Simple as that.
So then that will effect cards that possibly chain from actions then. Which, I'm guessing, is not the intention of the makers.
So then that will effect cards that possibly chain from actions then. Which, I'm guessing, is not the intention of the makers.
What makes you say that?
If you do Marksmanship as an action, that action can then trigger something like Push the Limit. If you do Expert Handling, there are two possible places to trigger PtL - the internal barrel roll, or the Expert Handling action itself.
We know this is the intention, because the FAQ explicitly says it does.
It does and it is intentional.
I'm trying to find if there is a definition for Actions specifically for the Action header cards. Because if the whole card is the action does that mean ships can partially complete their action and trigger something. I didn't think that was the intention of the makers.
I've been playing that the cards with the action headers are not a whole action. There is an action in the text but not all of the text is an "Action".
I've been playing that the cards with the action headers are not a whole action. There is an action in the text but not all of the text is an "Action".
Basically Action header means "spend" your action to do perform an action that does X. Simple as that. Sometimea these action allow you to perform other actions as part of them.
Yep I understand that but what is the "action"?
Is it the entire text, I'm guessing no, or just the general action part.
Yep I understand that but what is the "action"?
Is it the entire text, I'm guessing no, or just the general action part.
Everything that follow up the "Action:" part.
Expert Handling is an action. 1 single complete action. From "Perform".... to "ship" it is a single action.
During expert handling, it tells you to perform a FREE Barrel Roll action. This action is free (does not count towards the one action during your perform action step). The Barrel Roll inside expert handling is a complete action. Either one (and both) are actions according to the rules, with all rules applying to actions affecting BOTH expert handling, and barrel roll.
OK that's what I thought but what about if the ship did not have barrel roll could it still trigger other actions from expert handling, it would have a stress.
OK that's what I thought but what about if the ship did not have barrel roll could it still trigger other actions from expert handling, it would have a stress.
This has been asked and answered, ad nauseum, in the rules forum. A change of venue is not going to change the result. Just send it to FFG already, since you're not going to accept anything that anyone says anyway.
to the general public: This ran to 3 pages of Destroyer's denial, despite getting an utterly unanimous response from everyone involved. He's now decided to spam the general forum. he's not looking for an answer, he's looking for HIS answer, so please don't waste your time on this.
Why wouldn't I accept it? In the other thread I never said I believed that what I was asking was correct. I just thought it would be an a case that could be argued. But I think everyone said no so clearly it would be a losing case.
But all I am asking here is what defines an action.
OK that's what I thought but what about if the ship did not have barrel roll could it still trigger other actions from expert handling, it would have a stress.
No it wouldn't, and it can still trigger other actions.
Timing is:
1. Declare action as Expert Handling
2. Perform a free barrel roll action
3. Use Barrel roll to trigger PtL
4. Do free action from PtL (must be an action in your bar) eg Focus
5. Recieve stress from PtL
6. Check to see if you have barrel roll action in your bar. If not, recieve a second stress.
7. You may remove 1 enemy target lock from your ship
And also that last question about expert handling. To be more specific if a ship without barrel roll used expert handling then EI to trigger say fleet officer is this allowed.
Yes. Same timing (see above), except EI must be an action from an upgrade card.
OK interesting godofcheese then does that mean the whole text after action cannot be an "action" definition.
no, it is part of the action. An action that has been initiated before the stress was received, and therefore can finish resolving.
OK yep that's how I was playing it.
OK interesting godofcheese then does that mean the whole text after action cannot be an "action" definition.
On a card with the "Action" header, everything that follows that header is an action.
Actions can be interrupted, if something within the action acts as a trigger for another effect.
I'm (still) not sure where your confusion on these points is coming from.