And think of it this way: If, according to your interpretation, bases 'in contact' were considered for all effects as bases 'touching'... Why the [·0 zero] maneuver needs an specific FAQ entry clarifying that it keeps a previous 'touching' state?

The FAQ needs this entry because the previous version(s) of the FAQ had it that the 0 maneuver did not preserve the touching state.

Version 2.1 says, "If a model begins its activation touching another ship and executes a [0 stop] maneuver, the ships do not overlap each other and are not considered touching, even though they remain physically adjacent."

Version 2.2 says, "If a model begins its activation touching another ship and executes a [0 stop] maneuver, the ships are considered touching."

And that's precisely my point.

I don't keep track of older FAQs, but assuming that is correct, up to 2.1, if there was no overlap, there was no touching, even when the bases remain physically adjacent, as explained in the entry.

2.2 changed it to allow the [·0] maneuver, -and only the zero maneuver- to maintain the touching state. Every other maneuver breaks the touching state as soon as it is performed, and generates new 'touchings' according to the newly overlapped ships.

Is the answer different if Oicunn has room to move, but only goes half an inch or so before colliding, never breaking contact with the ship on the side? He still has not "moved so that the bases are no longer touching."

I'm curious what people think of this situation, and no one has addressed it

There are like 3 threads discussing this situation right now. I think this is the most recent, so I will cross post this from general in this one.

The common misconceptions thread has been discussion this recently as well, and recently got this answer

I also lodged a rules query yesterday on the same issue, I think Frsnks response is a little clearer for the naysayers who still think ships can be touching (game sense) without overlapping;

Good morning,

I was wondering if you could clarify some points regarding overlapping and touching.

I was informed at a recent event that I was unable to execute a barrel roll as to fit my base would have to end up touching either another ship or an asteroid, but would be overlapping neither. My understanding is only overlapping prevents the barrel roll, and that I am free to slide my ship along the template to touch either an obstacle or a ship, providing I don't overlap either. Is this correct?

As we discussed this, there was also confusion as to whether you could target a ship you were touching but did not overlap in the activation phase. The rules state you cannot target a ship you are touching, but it only discusses this under the section of the rules dealing with overlapping. For example, if two ships who overlapped in the previous turn both moved the same distance in the same direction the following turn, the ships would end up touching although neither overlapped the other. Are these ships legal targets to each other?

I appreciate any enlightenment you can shed here.

Kind regards,

Paul

In the FAQ we have made a better definition of touching. Touching only occurs if ships had previously overlapped; therefore ships cannot be touching if they didn’t overlap. Although ships may appear to “touch” if there was no point that the bases were overlapping and had to be moved back, they are not touching from the game’s perspective.

The example you bring up in the second paragraph is also discussed in a section called “overlapping inline ships” in the FAQ. In this case, during the second turn of movement, since the ships did not need to back up since they didn’t overlap one another, they are not touching and therefore can shoot one another.

Hope that clears things up a bit,

Frank Brooks

Associate Creative Content Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

While I still think the original question was missing the heart of the issue, franks answer does seem to finally answer the question

"during the second turn of movement, since the ships did not need to back up since they didn’t overlap one another, they are not touching"

This pretty strongly indicates that after you execute a maneuver you are only going to be touching ships you actually overlapped, regardless of physical contact. The stationary maneuver seems to be an isolated exception because of the nature of the maneuver, not the lack of movement.

Here are 4 scenarios, which all result in the same final ship positions on the boards.

In each case, the Firespray is obviously considered to be touching the red A-Wing.

However, the question I'm asking for each scenario is:

After having performed it's maneuver, is the Firespray considered to be touching the blue A-Wing?

Touching only occurs if ships had previously overlapped;

The answer still does not cover the situation where one of the touching ships (having previously overlapped) moves, but not far enough to break contact with the other (or not at all, which a lot of people are citing).

They still "previously overlapped."

In fact, the question is very weighted toward re-creating the scenario already covered in the FAQ, rather than covering the unanswered question(s) in this thread (and the other 2 or 3).

Yeah, I know. But we are getting closer.

Klutz's post above with the pictures is what really needs to be sent to frank.

However, the question I'm asking for each scenario is:

After having performed it's maneuver, is the Firespray considered to be touching the blue A-Wing?

My current interpretation of the rules is as follows:

Scenario A) Firespray is NOT considered to be touching the blue A-Wing.

My logic here is that, the following steps take place as the Firespray performs it's maneuver:

• The Firespray and the blue A-Wings are touching.
• Firespray performs it's maneuver
  • Movement template is place in front of Firespray
  • Firespray is lifted off the play surface
  • Doing so, the Firespray is no longer touching either A-Wing
  • Firespray's intended final position would cause it to overlap the red A-Wing
  • Firespray is moved " backward along the top of the template until it no longer overlaps another ship"
  • Firespray is placed so that "the bases of both ships are touching"
• The Firespray is touching red A-Wing, NOT blue A-Wing.​

Same logic as in scenario A, except that, before the Firespray's maneuver, the Firespray is touching both A-Wings.

The final result is the same: Firespray is touching red A-Wing, but not touching blue A-Wing.

The fact that the final position of the Firespray is the same as it's initial position does NOT prevent the fact that the Firespray was picked up, overlapped the red A-Wing and place back in position.

Scenario C) Firespray is NOT considered to be touching the blue A-Wing.

Same logic as Scenario B.

Scenario D) Firespray IS considered to be touching the blue A-Wing.

We have a specific FAQ entry for this scenario, however, per my interpretation, the FAQ entry is unnecessary. The rule regarding the 0 maneuver is sufficient:

"To execute the [0] maneuver, the active player leaves the ship where it is, keeping its position and facing unchanged."

The ship is never picked up, and therefore the "touching" state is never broken.

Here is a step-by-step break down similar to what I did for scenario A:

• The Firespray and the both A-Wings are touching.
• Firespray performs maneuver 0 maneuver, via Inertial Dampeners.
  • Firespray is left where it is.
• The Firespray is still touching both A-Wings.

Yeah, I know. But we are getting closer.

Klutz's post above with the pictures is what really needs to be sent to frank.

What's Frank's e-mail address?

Edit: Found the rules question form. Sent in the question with the image!

However, the question I'm asking for each scenario is:

After having performed it's maneuver, is the Firespray considered to be touching the blue A-Wing?

My current interpretation of the rules is as follows:

Scenario A) Firespray is NOT considered to be touching the blue A-Wing.

Scenario B) Firespray is NOT considered to be touching the blue A-Wing.

Scenario C) Firespray is NOT considered to be touching the blue A-Wing.

Scenario D) Firespray IS considered to be touching the blue A-Wing.

Agree with all of those interpretations for the reason described.

FAQ 3.0:

"If a model begins its activation touching another ship and executes a [ 0] maneuver (or executes a maneuver that does [not] move the ship away), the ships are considered touching. Ships that are touching remain touching until either ship moves away (so that the bases are no longer physically adjacent)."

bolded not is my addition. I assume it's a typo, else ships would remain touching for the rest of the game, no matter where they go.

FAQ 3.0:

"If a model begins its activation touching another ship and executes a [ 0] maneuver (or executes a maneuver that does [not] move the ship away), the ships are considered touching. Ships that are touching remain touching until either ship moves away (so that the bases are no longer physically adjacent)."

bolded not is my addition. I assume it's a typo, else ships would remain touching for the rest of the game, no matter where they go.

I assume the same, since for my life I cannot understand the rule as written.