After the last two preview, we now know who are the 6 first commander in games.

Rebel :

General Dodonna

Mon Mothma

Garm Bel Iblis

Empire :

Grand Moff Tarkin

Admiral Motti

Admiral Screed

If i'm quite happy about the rebels (at least the names, i don't judge the mechanics untill i tested them), i've to say, the two admiral were a bit desapointing, if i know Motti, i've to say he wasn't very active or charismatic...

Screed, let's say his background is soo complete...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Screed

A Admiral Firmus Piett would have been better, no ?

and that led me to my topic...

Who are the charismatic leaders you would love to see in Armada ? With wich ship they should come ?

i want FFG to know what i'm expecting, what i'd like to see. And i want to see this :

Admiral Ackbar : Mon Calamari Cruiser (Home One)

Traest Kre'Fey : Bothan assault cruiser (Ralroost)

Princess Leia : ???

Admiral Thrawn : Imperial class star destroyer (Shimera)

Admiral Gilead Pellaeon : Should be imperial class star destroyer (shimera), but that would make 2 commander for the same ship model

Dark Vador : Super destroyer (executor)

Emperor Palpatine : ISD class eclips (Eclips I)

Admiral Daala : is also in a imperial class...

With my suggestion of Kre'fey and ADMIRAL Pellaeon, you can guess that i would also add those leaders :

Warmaster Tsavong Lah

Suprem overlord Shimrra

Warmaster Czulkang Lah

Warmaster Nas Choka

but that would require a third faction ;-)

I'm sure Piett will show up eventually, there's no way he can't. He's the only Imperial officer to show up in more than one movie. I'd think he'd be a imperial class star destroyer.

Id would be kind of hilarious to see an Admiral Ozzel or Captain Needa card.

Well Lycia,

I believe Leia Organa is in the core set as a crew upgrade and I definately agree we need Bothan ships because we can't have many Bothans dying without there ships.

I can see the logic behind the choice of commanders. For the core set, they chose the most memorable commanders from Episode IV--Tarkin and Dodonna. Then, for the commanders found in expansions of movie ships (yes, I am counting the Victory as a movie ship, since it looks so much like an ISD), they chose the other most memorable Imperial commander from Episode IV (Motti) and another movie-based commander (Mon Mothma--since there were no other Episode IV Rebel commanders). Finally, for the expansions of non-movie ships, they chose a couple of EU characters--Bel Iblis and Screed.

I would predict that we will get two commanders each in the ISD and Mon Cal expansions, since those will be big, expensive expansions with lots of cards. Piett and Ackbar are basically guaranteed to be in there. I would wager that Ozzel is the other Imperial commander. I think that he will be the cheapest commander in the game (because he is as incompetent as he is stupid), so he would work well with trying to fit a pricey ISD into a 300 point list. I honestly don't know the EU well enough to speculate on who the other Mon Cal commander might be.

We might see some characters who currently appear as pilots or crew members later appear as commanders. However, I would not expect to see commander versions of Leia, Vader, Wedge, etc. until Wave 3 at the earliest, since FFG probably would want a bigger card-pool available before they start repeating characters.

Ozzel for the ISD is plausible, but considering that Vader was the actual commander of Death Squadron I'd consider him equally likely. Certainly one will be bridge crew and the other will be a fleet commander.

Ackbar for the MC80 is pretty much a shoo-in though.

The only real question is what title we'd get aside from Home One: Independance or Defiance

Grand Admiral Thrawn. With Garm Bel Iblis in Wave 1 it would be disappointing if Thrawn doesn't make an appearance soon!

One of the most iconic EU fleet commander's that has existed.

PS: Biased as I intend to play Thrawn no matter what his ability is

Personally, I would love another Mon Mothma where she doesn't look like a zombie. Just look at those pale dead eyes and taut skin.

Anyways, a Crix Madine is another commander for sure. Maybe in the rebel fighter pack.

I dunno, Crix Madine didn't really have much (if anything) to do with space combat. he was Spec Ops and ground forces commander.

Mind you, it's not like Mon Mothma is a fleet commander either, so you could be right!

The ISD might need a bigger box than the Decimator/VSD, have only one, or maybe two, of the cheaper version fit into a list, and cost an arm and a leg. I fully expect FFG will cram that box full of tokens, dials, cards, smaller cards, new debris tokens, objectives etc. Sort of like the huge X-wing ships, but without new damage decks.

There could be 3-4 commanders and titles in the kit to maximise the diversity you could get out of a single ship.

Captain Onoma from the Mon Remonda, hell, even Han Solo was fleet commander on her

Admiral Apwar Triggit for the ISD would be good too

Wedge should have come as a crew upgrade, and the ability movement based, as when he piloted the "Night Caller" he certainly drove it like he stole it

Grand Admiral Thrawn. With Garm Bel Iblis in Wave 1 it would be disappointing if Thrawn doesn't make an appearance soon!

One of the most iconic EU fleet commander's that has existed.

PS: Biased as I intend to play Thrawn no matter what his ability is

This. If they are going for EU (which they have shown they have by bringing Bel Iblis in, then they will undoubtably bring in Thrawn. I think Thrawn and one other for the ISD expansion.

I don't get why there is no commander at Nebulon-B expansion(((

I don't get why there is no commander at Nebulon-B expansion(((

Because they are looking like they are trying to keep the number of commander options equal given there are 3 on each side now, since the rebels get 3 ship expansions this wave vs the Imperials 2, one had to miss out then.

Im guessing that Mon Mothma went in the corvette pack because people are more likley to buy it (given its a cheaper and low points cost expansion), where as Bel Iblis gives so many command tokens he needs to go with a ship that uses a lot of them.

I would expect that whenever we see the Raider corvette (or equivalent) for the Imperial side comes out we might see the opposite sort of expansions we saw with wave one. (3 Imperial ships, med, small, small, 2 Rebel, med, med)

They may still have a commander in the neb b expansion. They haven't shown us all of the cards in the expansions.

Im going to make a suggestion here that is somewhat pertinent to this discussion.

FFG should make an expansion pack each wave that is just more cards. Add some upgrades, a few commanders, some more objectives, and perhaps some tokens. I'm not against the current setup up 1 ship, several cards. I just think that it would be neat if they had an expansion pack that isnt attached to a particular ship. Think of this as generic stuff mixed with a few new essentials for the wave. Easy way to stuff a few more things into the wave with minimal hassle.

For example you could have 2 rebel generic commanders and 2 imperial generic commanders, a few turbolaser upgrades, a missile related upgrade, a squadron related upgrade, an engine/maneuver upgrade, and then new objectives (one for each category) and toss in some tokens for these objectives. Generic commanders should be cheaper than the regular ones, with effects that are quite limited in either range or number of ships it can effect.

Im going to make a suggestion here that is somewhat pertinent to this discussion.

FFG should make an expansion pack each wave that is just more cards. Add some upgrades, a few commanders, some more objectives, and perhaps some tokens. I'm not against the current setup up 1 ship, several cards. I just think that it would be neat if they had an expansion pack that isnt attached to a particular ship. Think of this as generic stuff mixed with a few new essentials for the wave. Easy way to stuff a few more things into the wave with minimal hassle.

For example you could have 2 rebel generic commanders and 2 imperial generic commanders, a few turbolaser upgrades, a missile related upgrade, a squadron related upgrade, an engine/maneuver upgrade, and then new objectives (one for each category) and toss in some tokens for these objectives. Generic commanders should be cheaper than the regular ones, with effects that are quite limited in either range or number of ships it can effect.

If they are going like they have with X-Wing then it will only be bundled with the ships, so yes, you have to purchase multiple ships for extra copies of the particular card you want. Makes you pay $30 for an expansion rather than $10.

I think we need Daala on the Imperial side. Nothing like a angry women to get the Victories into high gear

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Natasi_Daala

Im going to make a suggestion here that is somewhat pertinent to this discussion.

FFG should make an expansion pack each wave that is just more cards. Add some upgrades, a few commanders, some more objectives, and perhaps some tokens. I'm not against the current setup up 1 ship, several cards. I just think that it would be neat if they had an expansion pack that isnt attached to a particular ship. Think of this as generic stuff mixed with a few new essentials for the wave. Easy way to stuff a few more things into the wave with minimal hassle.

For example you could have 2 rebel generic commanders and 2 imperial generic commanders, a few turbolaser upgrades, a missile related upgrade, a squadron related upgrade, an engine/maneuver upgrade, and then new objectives (one for each category) and toss in some tokens for these objectives. Generic commanders should be cheaper than the regular ones, with effects that are quite limited in either range or number of ships it can effect.

If they are going like they have with X-Wing then it will only be bundled with the ships, so yes, you have to purchase multiple ships for extra copies of the particular card you want. Makes you pay $30 for an expansion rather than $10.

I know I saw a site that was selling the cards separate from the miniatures for xwing, so that may happen here. On the other hand who doesn't have access to a color printer.

Kolonek klink, i actually checked when i post my first message, he's the commander in second at the executor (well, when vador is in the ship and decide it's time to work a little bit).

He was promotted in the executor and died when the destroyer crashed in the death star.

Ozzel was the executor's commander before Piet, soo i don't think we'll see him as leader.

Well Lycia,

I believe Leia Organa is in the core set as a crew upgrade and I definately agree we need Bothan ships because we can't have many Bothans dying without there ships.

omg you killed me...

Admiral Apwar Triggit

didn't find anything on this name, could you provide a link ? i want to know who he's.

Well Lycia,

I believe Leia Organa is in the core set as a crew upgrade and I definately agree we need Bothan ships because we can't have many Bothans dying without there ships.

I would love for FFG to create some all new Bothan designs. Until the Essential Guide to Warfare it seemed like the Bothans didn't start producing warships until the aftermath of the Galactic Civil War, or at least hadn't produced any for thousands of years. But the guide establishes that Bothawui was a major cruiser production center shortly before Endor which leaves things wide open for FFG to create new Bothan warships.

They may still have a commander in the neb b expansion. They haven't shown us all of the cards in the expansions.

Captain Onoma from the Mon Remonda, hell, even Han Solo was fleet commander on her

Admiral Apwar Triggit for the ISD would be good too

Wedge should have come as a crew upgrade, and the ability movement based, as when he piloted the "Night Caller" he certainly drove it like he stole it

I would love for a General Wedge Antilles card in the Neb-B expansion. After all the first ship he used as a flagship in the EU was a Neb-B and that ship is one of the upgrades in the expansion.

I dunno, Crix Madine didn't really have much (if anything) to do with space combat. he was Spec Ops and ground forces commander.

Mind you, it's not like Mon Mothma is a fleet commander either, so you could be right!

Actually according to the actor that played Madine there was a scene filmed but cut from Return of the Jedi that showed Madine commanding an MC80 during the Battle of Endor. I would love a new edition which added the scene back in but I doubt that will ever happen.

And yeah making Mon Mothma a fleet commander makes no sense to me IMO. Are there any sources which show her commanding ships, or any forces for that matter, in combat because I don't remember any? I would have preferred Rieekan to Mothma any day. While I can't recall him ever being seen commanding a capital ship or fleet in combat I wouldn't be shocked if he had in some EU story I've forgotten.

I'm kinda surprised Wedge isn't the commander in the Nebulon-B Expansion. According to Wookiepedia, he commanded the Yavaris when he transferred to fleet command.

Maybe he'll be the 2nd commander in the inevitable MC-80 Expansion since if I recall correctly he commanded some of them as well.

Wedge may not even be a Commander at all. They may not went him being represented twice, and we already know he is an X-Wing pilot character. And quite right too....if he's only going to have 1 version, a Fighter Squadron is a million times more appropriate.

Wedge was always "at home" with fighter squadrons rather than capital ships. He was never that keen on capital ship command and resisted it as best as he could.

Hi, after lurking X-wing and Armada forums for few months, I've decided to finally jump right into the discussion.

Since I saw a glimpse of "S..." title in the Nebulon-B expansion I was waiting for a Rebel Fleet article and reveal of the "Salvation" title and Juno Eclipse ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Juno_Eclipse ) as it's commander. They've shown the Salvation, so I'm hoping she has a card as a commander or at least as a crew, since in the Force Unleashed II game and novel Salvation was the first Rebel Flagship and she was one of the earliest Rebel commanders.