There is also a stress that is supposed to be applied after the same action

After performing the action allowed by dauntless you

1. May Trigger PTL

2. Gain a stress

Those are 2 effects, they both happen at the same time (after performing the action allowed by dauntless), you can resolve them in any order.

It really can't be explained any simpler than that.

There is also a stress that is supposed to be applied after the same action

What is the same action they are different

After performing the action allowed by dauntless you

1. May Trigger PTL

2. Gain a stress

I still cant find any rules about where there is a choice of which one to choose can you show me the reference

Just send it to FFG so they can answer it (again). Some people just don't want an answer.

I still cant find any rules about where there is a choice of which one to choose can you show me the reference

You just quoted it yourself

Q: If a player has multiple effects that resolve at the same time, can he resolve them in any order? A: Yes.

You basically just copied my post.

After performing the action allowed by dauntless you

1. May Trigger PTL

2. Gain a stress

Those are 2 effects, they both happen at the same time (after performing the action allowed by dauntless), you can resolve them in any order.

There is also a stress that is supposed to be applied after the same action

What is the same action they are different

After performing the action allowed by dauntless you

1. May Trigger PTL

2. Gain a stress

You yourself, right there, are saying those 2 things occur at the same time, therefore this applies

Q: If a player has multiple effects that resolve at the same time, can he resolve them in any order? A: Yes.

Seriously, if you cannot understand it from this then it is a problem with basic English comprehension, nothing to do with the rules themselves.

FAQ

Free actions, such as a free action granted from Squad

Leader, can trigger Push the Limit.

This first sentence is irrelevant to the situation because there is no stress from squad leader

This can result in an action interrupting another effect, causing that

effect to finish resolving later.

This is relevant because Dauntless or Expert Handling could give stress so is the stress part of the action or is it the resolving part. Nothing is said that it is or is not in that sentence.

For example, if a ship

performs a free barrel roll action granted by Expert

Handling, it could use that action as a trigger for

Push the Limit.

So here is where everyone including myself are assuming the stress from the first action is allowed to be taken after the second action is resolved. In that sentence it says perform the barrel roll (could be a dauntless action), which would give a stress, to trigger the next action . But if the stress is taken before then no action is allowed. Still nothing is said about whether the stress is part of the action or the resolving part, although possibly assumed.

After Push the Limit resolves, Expert

Handling finishes resolving.

In this last sentence it talks about resolving but what does that mean. I can assume, which we all are, that it is only the action part and not the stress/removing target lock but isn't that inherently part of the action?

No one is assuming anything here. This is the correct, universally accepted method for using these abilities and it is confirmed by FFG. There is no specific ruling in the rule book, but it has been clarified in the FAQ. Some effects can interrupt others, but all effects must finish resolving at some point. It's all just a matter of timing. Most cards can be broken down into stages and each of those stages can be worked out separately and the key word is usually "may".

They quite often follow:

1. trigger condition,
2. option,
3. then consequence.

At the option stage, you can do whatever the option is, and with Dauntless, it's go off and perform a free action.

Therefore the option part here (the free action) is effectively an "interrupt". You go through all the motions of performing that free action then come back to the Dauntless card and resolve or finish it by applying a stress token. If you apply the card fully in one go, and apply the stress before taking the free action, then it doesn't work and the card is completely pointless.

The fact that the free action can trigger another effect is merely a bonus and the synergy created can be awesome.

Where is says "Expert Handling finishes resolving", that's where you would check to see if a stress token is applied.

Why is everyone getting so upset

Buhallin of course I want an answer that's I posted this. People have said they contacted FFG about this and if could see that it would clear up everything.

Forgottenlore I was quoting you

There is also a stress that is supposed to be applied after the same action

What is the same action they are different

After performing the action allowed by dauntless you

1. May Trigger PTL

2. Gain a stress

I still cant find any rules about where there is a choice of which one to choose can you show me the reference

So if you can answer where it says they are the same action or they trigger at the same time please show me the reference.

Well I am certainly the only one thinking it can be interpreted differently. But it comes down to 3 words and their relationship to each other.

"after", "then" and "resolving"

Could someone provide a reference, the FFG message would be awesome, to where it says "after" takes precedence or choice over "then". And what is the "resolving" part.

Answer these questions

When does PTL trigger?

When do you gain stress from Dauntless?

Just because everyone believes the world is flat does not make it flat.

FAQ

Free actions, such as a free action granted from Squad

The other FAQ is about at the same time/simultaneous but there is nothing in the situation like that. Actions have to be triggered, completed. "Things" have to be resolved, no rules or FAQ on what these are only assumptions.

Answer these questions

When does PTL trigger?

When do you gain stress from Dauntless?

PTL triggers off another action which must be completed first but does that include the stress also, cant find a reference for this.

Stress from Dauntless is gained after doing the action granted by Dauntless. But is it directly after or after the PTL action cant find a reference for it.

Just because everyone believes the world is flat does not make it flat.

Actions have to be triggered, completed. "Things" have to be resolved, no rules or FAQ on what these are only assumptions.

Answer these questions

When does PTL trigger?

When do you gain stress from Dauntless?

PTL triggers off another action which must be completed first but does that include the stress also, cant find a reference for this.

Stress from Dauntless is gained after doing the action granted by Dauntless. But is it directly after or after the PTL action cant find a reference for it.

You won't find a reference in the rulebook, because PtL and EI came out after the rulebook was published. So stop asking for one.

The stress gained from Dauntless happens last and always last. You've answered your own question right there.

If the card said "Apply a stress token then you may perform a free action", then it wouldn't work, would it?

Go back and re-read post#10 and tell us which bit doesn't make sense to you.

PTL triggers off another action which must be completed first

The ACTION must be completed, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that the definition of an action is being changed.

but does that include the stress also, cant find a reference for this.

The word "Then" that is the reference.

Dauntless says "...perform 1 free action. Then receive 1 stress token." Do X then do Y. Basic English grammar tells us that X and Y are different things. Therefore the action and the stress from dauntless are different things.

Seriously man. If you are not following this you need to speak to an English teacher, there is nothing at all ambiguous.

I think I am doing circles but the reference does not have to be in the rule-book.

Where is the reference saying Dauntless stress is last.

#10 is the same as everyone else on here assuming that the dauntless/barrel roll stress is last.

I think I am doing circles but the reference does not have to be in the rule-book.

Where is the reference saying Dauntless stress is last.

#10 is the same as everyone else on here assuming that the dauntless/barrel roll stress is last.

Nobody is assuming anything, everyone but you is applying basic sentence structure and logic to arrive at the inevitable (though I admit not completely obvious) conclusion. You are just refusing to accept that a sentance means what it means.

@the Destroyer00: You're the only one here assuming otherwise. We all know how it works and we've all told you about a dozen times, but you're hung up on wanting an "official reference". And even if you email FFG and get a response that confirms what we've all been saying, you seem to doubt that any TO will believe it. Seriously dude, I'm not sure X-wing is the game for you. It's not that hard.

Circles

(x then do y)=z

so x cannot be done without y

Do x to trigger q

x= action from dauntless

y= stress from dauntless

z=dauntless

q=EI

X, Q, Y = Z

HAHA yep I think everyone is right I am wrong and crazy after this thread. But I do remember the early days when not many people would have thought it was allowed for Dreis to change 0 focuses by spending a token.

I said it wasn't super obvious, but once the FAQ answer came out and said triggers can interrupt an effect (This can result in an action interrupting another effect, causing that effect to finish resolving later.) there stopped being any room to argue.

Can I ask another question about similar situation.

If a decimator tried to collide with another ship but missed and then used daredevil to ram can he trigger dauntless off that. Then in turn use Experimental Interface chaining 3 actions.

For Oicunn you would do 1 ram damage and hopefully the other ship has moved or cant clear you. Then they cant fire at you and you would have 2 actions but the last action needs to be fleet officer or saboteur (from EI).

There may be a lot of stress after this possibly 4 wow. But could be as low as 2 after removing a stress when finishing a green and using saboteur.

If a decimator tried to collide with another ship but missed and then used daredevil to ram can he trigger dauntless off that. Then in turn use Experimental Interface chaining 3 actions.

That works as intended.

It might not be a good idea because of the stress, though.

Yep not the best option because wouldn't have EU so you will probably take damage from daredevil.