Ships like the Z-95 kept being updated and rereleased. They didn't design new ARCs after the Clone Wars ended.

Besides, wouldn't the ARC look a little out of place amid a swarm of TIE fighters?

Yes we have and i have to explain one more time that KotoR looked like the OT for financial reasons as a directive from the publishers i'll punch a kitten.

I would still argue that the ARC filled a niche in the Imperial arsenal that was not filled until the advent of the XG-1...

"What's that got to do with anything? You don't like the creators' motives so it's somehow less canon (or "Legends") because of that? <puzzled face>"

The point is technology does move forward and that kotor has similar tech only because of financial considerations and not because they were as advanced back then as they are in the current setting.

Who's says ARC's didn't get maintained and refitted? I think people are taking lack of source material as a sign that something didn't happen in-universe.

Probably because the rebels couldn't afford to keep them running.

Couldnt afore to keep many of then running, certainly

*cough* Clone Wars-era game *cough*

Yes we have and i have to explain one more time that KotoR looked like the OT for financial reasons as a directive from the publishers i'll punch a kitten.

I'd like you to link an article or something, as a quick google search has revealed nothing but bellyaching over SWTOR.

I'm not saying you're lying or made it up, i'm genuinely curious, as the design aesthetic was very weird from considering the time frame and what the tech was like in the Golden Age of the Sith 1.000 years before it. i remember playing the game myself and wondering why all the tech was just like that used in the OT.

Just. Won't. Let. Go.

I'm outta here. Have fun wishing.

Just. Won't. Let. Go.

I'm outta here. Have fun wishing.

Have fun with the mirror.

Yes we have and i have to explain one more time that KotoR looked like the OT for financial reasons as a directive from the publishers i'll punch a kitten.

I'd like you to link an article or something, as a quick google search has revealed nothing but bellyaching over SWTOR.

I'm not saying you're lying or made it up, i'm genuinely curious, as the design aesthetic was very weird from considering the time frame and what the tech was like in the Golden Age of the Sith 1.000 years before it. i remember playing the game myself and wondering why all the tech was just like that used in the OT.

It's 2006 back then print media was still a thing so no you wont find an online article because back then people got their gaming news from magazines, it was a barbaric time i tells you.

Slightly off topic - you're allowed to check your dials during activation right? Say you need to check what one of your other ships is going to do before you decide whether to do a barrel roll or not. I seem to recall a ruling that you can, but I can't find it in the FAQ.

In terms of aesthetics all I'm going to say is that very shortly the Starviper will be entering our little game and whether you like it or not, it truly is the least star war looking ship I have ever seen, so in that regard I don’t think any argument against the Arc in that vein is valid.

At this stage it's somewhat a moot point, we know for a fact that waves 7 & 8 were well into development as far back as Gencon last year so no amount of wishing for or against is going to make any impact any time soon. Though I will say this will be an interesting thread to bring up if it does indeed get introduced into the game.

I want to see the ARC 170 because I personally like the ship and feel that there is a niche it would fill in the game. If FFG feel that it is too polarising or they feel that there are other obscure EU ships that they prefer, so be it, but I hope that this game continues for many more years and one day it may very well make it.

At the end of the day though if they don’t make an official one there's always shapeways J

Slightly off topic - you're allowed to check your dials during activation right? Say you need to check what one of your other ships is going to do before you decide whether to do a barrel roll or not. I seem to recall a ruling that you can, but I can't find it in the FAQ.

As far as I know you are, but you must be careful to declare that this is what you're doing.

Now that S&V's shipping the accouncement can't be far off

ARCS for wave 8?

More likely they'd make an entirely new Clone Wars game, with a core set consisting of an N-1 and two Droid Fighters.

More likely they'd make an entirely new Clone Wars game, with a core set consisting of an N-1 and two Droid Fighters.

That'd be a TPM game. Clone Wars would be actual Republic craft.

That being said, given Disney's current approach if they're going to do that it's a looooooooong way down the line. I actually doubt it'd ever happen. I think an ARC in X-Wing is more probable than a prequel spin-off.

The Z-95's age isn't the problem, they just designed ships with different priorities. Bigger, tougher, heavier weaponry, subsequently more expensive. The ARC-170 was in the other direction. Come on, we're already had the "Star Wars tech is a flat line" discussion.

Hardly. The only evidence to support that is KoTOR which we established ages back only looks like modern tech to look Star Wars: it's artistic licence rather than a true representation of 4000 years back. Other sources and even KoTOR present technological advancement and the new canon doesn't have a KoTOR in it. Flat line? Hardly.

However, equally fallacious is the belief that ships don't get upgraded. In real life the Ford Transit is old, but it performs like a modern vehicle because it is: they release new models. The closest analogy in Star Wars is the Z-95 Headhunter: they've been around since long before the Battle of Naboo but Incom keeps upgrading and refining the design and releasing new models of it. They keep manufacturing new Headhunters for the open market and thus they stay up to date.

The ARC-170 falls into obselesence because the Empire stop manufacturing it, they turn instead to cheaper TIE fighters because cheaper TIEs means more TIEs (they were already leaning that way with the V-wing).

That all being said, the ARC-170 could work in X-Wing, Alex Davy actually mentions it in one of the many interviews. Unlike most prequel era ships the ARC-170 is an Imperial vessel, and it served with the V-wing as their main starfighter for several years after the rise of the Empire before it was phased out in favour of the TIE fighter. Note the choice of words, phased out. The ARCs didn't all turn into TIEs overnight. The question then is how long does it take? X-Wing covers the Galactic Civil War, which is from the dawn of the Rebellion rather than the dawn of the Empire.

Personally, I find it believable that a few far flung Imperial outposts on the Outer Rim still have ARCs. I doubt you'd see them in the Core outside of museums, but the galaxy's a huge place. In places where the Empire's been stretched thin but has had a presence for a long time, or places where the Empire was never "thick" I can believe there'd be a few still in use. They may be less advanced, less efficient and increasily difficult to keep running but so long as they do the job I can see them in low priority, poorly funded or backward areas, the sort of place where the Imperial presence is a fifteen year old beaten up Victory I.

Just remember that if FFG did make the ARC, it'd look like this:

It's also not likely to be above the X and B-wings in point cost (as of Yavin they've been out of production for at least 14 years assuming they were still manufactured up to the start of their phase out) and its stats will reflect that. If you're expecting a mini Firespray you're probably out of luck.

I want that ARC so badly.

Shadow Squadron!!! (at two points in my gaming life I've commanded a squadron called Shadow squadron, one a Tie Defender squadron for TIE Fighter before online gaming was a thing, for... intruder wing was it? Another in SWG as a Rebel squadron black/red paint job).

I still maintain that the ARC is logically a standard Imperial recon ship before replaced by the XG-1

I don't care if they have to invent some fluff, aesthetically it simply has to be Rebel. There's no reason they wouldn't have any - they have Nebulon-Bs which some EU source says was an Imperial ship, no reason we can't have a new EU source (curtsey of FFG) saying the Rebels used some refitted ARC 170s.

Like I said in the N-1 thread, I don't buy this about KotoR just being for aesthetic reasons. We know they've had FTL for thousands of years, and yet they still look and behave like people we'd recognise. Looks pretty stagnated to me.

As for a Prequels standalone game - are there enough cool looking fighters in the prequels? You've got

• The N1
• Obi-Wan's tiny Star Destroyer with the for-some-reason-detachable hyperdrive
• ARC-170s
• The drop ship with the ball guns (is that a star fighter though?)
• The things Obi-Wan and Anakin fly in Sith

I don't remember what the baddy ships looked like.

I dunno, I can't imagine people buying in to that.

The ARC, N1, V-Wing, and Torrent can/should be used by any faction.

Imperials: Low priority sectors/reserves/specialists

Scum: Cheap/stolen... basically the AK47s of starfighters everyone uses them.

Rebels: See Scum.

I don't care if they have to invent some fluff, aesthetically it simply has to be Rebel.

Not true. It's an Imperial vessel used by the Empire.

You confuse me now, you're fanboying the ARC-170 very strongly yet want it in a faction it has no association with? That's like someone desperately pushing for the TIE avenger but as a Scum ship.

basically the AK47s of starfighters everyone uses them.

That's the Z-95.

The ARC, N1, V-Wing, and Torrent can/should be used by any faction.

If we ever do get prequel ships forced on us empire gets the republic ships rebels and scum get separatists thats the be all and end all of it for me.

And how are the Rebels going to operate those droid starfighters? They'd need control ships. That, and the Empire is, given the Clone Wars, very good at fighting droids, especially with 19 year old combat algorithms (ie: the same ones the Empire fought in the Clone Wars).

The Empire used ARCs (along with V-wings) in its early days so in their Imperial colours they're just about justified there. But putting them in other factions would be shoehorning them.

The X-wing was originally designed for the Imperials... at any rate the likelihood of the Rebels getting a bunch of these ships is pretty high over time.