ARC 170s (again)

By mazz0, in X-Wing

I don't entirely like the idea of mult-faction ships, as one of the things I really like about X-wing is the asymmetry between the factions. Multi faction ships don't work well in maintaining that asymmetry, it's something I hop FFG keeps to a minimum. While there are means to make the ships distinct with faction specific upgrades and pilots, the generic, vanilla ships would be same across the board.

I understand why multi faction ships have been done for S&V for both fluff reasons and technical reasons (it's a fast, easy way to bulk out the new faction) and I appreciate that FFG have gone to pains to try and make the ships behave differently in S&V than their Rebel and Imperial counterparts.

I don't entirely like it but I'll just have to suck it up in this case, hopefully it's a once off boost to S&V with more distinct ships to follow. Besides, I do like the Scum interceptor, so not all gloom and doom :D

In terms of justifying the ship in the game, does it really matter? Let's face it, if FFG want the ship in the game, they'll find a reason. If they don't want it, they won't have to explain why its not there.

As for where the ARC would sit in the factions, think about flying an Imperial ARC with R2-D2, what's a reasonable way to prevent that while keeping the ARC depiction correct for the game. Particularly if the astromechs are part of what makes the Rebel faction distinct, an assumption based on the fact that S&V have only agromechs. Consider balancing it with Rebel X-wings, Y-wings and B-wings while still keeping it distinct enough from those ships that the each still have a role in a Rebel line up.

The quote about the GCW Congress from the Q&A session of this video (somewhere around 1:15:00):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rnrlBSvzxuU

It's a throwaway addendum to a question specifically about the Clone Wars. What he's saying is that:

A) They have enough material to full at least the next several waves without stuff from Rebels, and

B) We won't be seeing "Republic" or "Separatist" factions any time soon, because they would be fundamentally wrong for the games time period.

It doesn't preclude the possibility that we could see ships from the prequel movies, just that they would have to be flown by one of the existing factions, and in the ARC's case, that means Rebels. Fluff is far less significant than the fact that it was a "good guy" ship in the movies, so it'll be a "good guy" ship in the game as well.

Personally, if I were in their shoes, I wouldn't be limiting the game like that, and I still don't think it will stay that way if the game survives another few years, but that's just me. In short though, hope is far from lost for the ARC. :)

How so? If you're going to refer to an obscure video game or book that no one but can boys know about and is no longer canon, I think FFG realizes the vast majority will always equate the ship with the prequel movies and nothing else.

And again I ask, what else could Peterson refer to, and for what other purpose, when he said this game is the GCW going way forward? To inform us it's not going backward in time? To inform us it's not going to join with Star Trek? No, the message is clear: the game will not include prequel movie ships.

He said its GCW era, meaning he only want to include things that fit in a GCW setting. If there's some usable fluff that puts the ARC in that setting then no problem.

It's a good looking ship and it would be a shame if FFG bowed to the wishes of fanboys who prefer derivative pulp over actual Star Wars films.

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No, the message is clear: the game will not include prequel movie ships.

I think mazz0 is aware that such a decision was, in all likelihood, made. He just wants to change it.

And why not. If the game is about the Galactic Civil War and the ARC played a role in that war, then there's enough wiggle room to include it. I won't complain. It's a good looking ship and it would be a shame if FFG bowed to the wishes of fanboys who prefer derivative pulp over actual Star Wars films.

But it didn't play a part the only source that says it was still around was star wars galaxies, if you look at other games it's never seen, force unleashed 2 for example showed y-wings and starchasers being used by the rebels no trace of the arc and that game was made after galaxies.

X-wing, tie fighter, x-wing vs tie, rogue squadron on and on its never mentioned.

The fact is Lucas couldn't accept people hated the prequels so he made Lucas arts push out games based on those movies the majority of which sucked because the dev teams had no passion for it, or they forced the ship's into games they didn't belong in.

So if somebody made a new game that came out next week, and included them along side X-Wings, suddenly it would be OK?

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So if somebody made a new game that came out next week, and included them along side X-Wings, suddenly it would be OK?

Nope.

Also jeez louise, this is 100% a dead horse.

You'd prefer we beat a live one, that's just wrong dude.

Nope.

Also jeez louise, this is 100% a dead horse.

And - nope? So what, you pick what source material is valid based on whether you like the contents or not? Fair enough, but then presumably you won't have a problem with other people doing the same?

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They have clearly on video said they arnt, civil war onwards.

You'd prefer we beat a live one, that's just wrong dude.

Necrophilia's the less appropriate of the two?

You'd prefer we beat a live one, that's just wrong dude.

Necrophilia's the less appropriate of the two?

Well sure the dead don't know anything but a live animal being abused suffers horribly, a corpse is just rotting meat left over one brain function stops but live nerve ends transmit pain.

So of course mistreating anything alive is worse that doing anything to an empty husk.

oh my god do you think animals are people

(and yes, I know the reverse is true)

derail HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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When breakfast gets brought up then it's derailed...oh snap there we go!

When breakfast gets brought up then it's derailed...oh snap there we go!

What did you /think/ I brought dead horses up for?

Oh, sure, don't get me wrong, it's no bacon, but the general cultural aversion to consuming horses-meat is pretty silly.

Horse bacon?

I don't understand why the dialogue's not about the separate-but-compatible Clone Wars-era game, which I choose to believe is inevitable. Everything makes more sense in that context.

I don't understand why the dialogue's not about the separate-but-compatible Clone Wars-era game, which I choose to believe is inevitable. Everything makes more sense in that context.

SERIOUSLY.

It's so much simpler to balance an effectively different era of ships if the primary focus is balancing them against themselves , not the King Hell God Emperor Starfighter of Death (which is the Phantom, because I don't think FFG can make the Missile Boat anywhere near as powerful intentionally).

But it didn't play a part the only source that says it was still around was star wars galaxies...

As I said: there's just enough wiggle room to include it and still maintain that the game is about the galactic civil war. Where there's a will, there's a way. It's just that the will appears to be lacking. Don't believe that is going to change.

I don't understand why the dialogue's not about the separate-but-compatible Clone Wars-era game, which I choose to believe is inevitable. Everything makes more sense in that context.

SERIOUSLY.

It's so much simpler to balance an effectively different era of ships if the primary focus is balancing them against themselves , not the King Hell God Emperor Starfighter of Death (which is the Phantom, because I don't think FFG can make the Missile Boat anywhere near as powerful intentionally).

I'd be fine with it being a separate era game, problem is not many people want to play the trade federation going from the topics on the board they all want republic stuff.

I don't understand why the dialogue's not about the separate-but-compatible Clone Wars-era game, which I choose to believe is inevitable. Everything makes more sense in that context.

SERIOUSLY.

It's so much simpler to balance an effectively different era of ships if the primary focus is balancing them against themselves , not the King Hell God Emperor Starfighter of Death (which is the Phantom, because I don't think FFG can make the Missile Boat anywhere near as powerful intentionally).

I'd be fine with it being a separate era game, problem is not many people want to play the trade federation going from the topics on the board they all want republic stuff.

Honestly, other than the Naboo N-1 I find most Republic ships fairly boring. Bring on the Vulture Droids, Tri-fighters, P-38s, and Belbullab-22s.

Actually, let's get a list going here:

Republic:

Naboo N-1 (coreset?)

ARC-170

V-wing

Delta-7 Aethersprite

Eta-2 Actis

V-19 Torrent

CIS:

Droid starfighter/Vulture droid (coreset?)

Droid Tri-fighter

Nantex-class Geonosian starfighter

Belbullab-22

Porax-38

Mankvim-814

BAM, three waves, and I haven't even looked at large ships yet.

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Yeah but how many of those ships are really appealing? To me, very few. They also lack a consistent aesthetic for each faction.

They have clearly on video said they arnt, civil war onwards.

You're conflating two things there, one of which was actually said (and has been answered already in this thread multiple times, you just don't like the answer). Now who's beating a dead horse?

Has anyone here eaten horse meat? I'd love to try it myself. I have a feeling I might have had in in France as a kid, but I don't remember. I suppose the problem is that horses aren't farmed specifically for their meat, so the quality is likely to be lower than that of pig, cow, sheep or dog.

Has anyone here eaten horse meat? I'd love to try it myself.

I have a feeling I might have had in in France as a kid, but I don't remember. I suppose the problem is that horses aren't farmed specifically for their meat, so the quality is likely to be lower than that of pig, cow, sheep or dog.

In addition, the most popular kinds of meat tend to have little flavour.

Has anyone here eaten horse meat? I'd love to try it myself.

I probably have, but cannot know, because in my country, horsemeat has been sold as beef (which caused a scandal...and an increase in the consumption of horsemeat). Particularly in microwave lasagna, which I have had a couple of times.

I have a feeling I might have had in in France as a kid, but I don't remember. I suppose the problem is that horses aren't farmed specifically for their meat, so the quality is likely to be lower than that of pig, cow, sheep or dog.

It would be a mistake to think that animals bred specifically for consumption taste better. Rather, they are easier to keep for meat production. Producing huge quantities of horsemeat is difficult, I think.

In addition, the most popular kinds of meat tend to have little flavour.

Really? Over the thousands of years of domestication we haven't selected tastiness into their genes, even if to a lesser degree than hardness?

Yeah, we had the horse meat scandal here too (UK), but I don't really eat ready meals so I doubt I had any.

This is like trying to prove to someone that the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't real. Irrational beliefs heed no rational argument.