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This has been covered so many times - number of guns =/= firepower

Exactly, SIZE MATTERS.

Of the guns of course.

Ladies.

Exactly!!! Size!!:

I think these are the biggest cannons I´ve seen in a fighter size ship in the starwars universe

I still don't get why they have S-foils.

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This has been covered so many times - number of guns =/= firepower

Exactly, SIZE MATTERS.

Of the guns of course.

Ladies.

Exactly!!! Size!!:

I think these are the biggest cannons I´ve seen in a fighter size ship in the starwars universe

I still don't get why they have S-foils.

Where is the problem? There really is no reason for them to exist at all on any other ship, either, but they are part of the Star Wars universe, so why not?

I still don't get why they have S-foils.

Where is the problem? There really is no reason for them to exist at all on any other ship, either, but they are part of the Star Wars universe, so why not?

Yes, exactly. They exist because they look cool, just like every feature on every ship in Star Wars. I'm sure somebody has retrospectively made up a nonsense physics reason for them just like for every feature on every ship in Star Wars. Heck, probably several contradictory reasons

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This has been covered so many times - number of guns =/= firepower

Exactly, SIZE MATTERS.

Of the guns of course.

Ladies.

Exactly!!! Size!!:

I think these are the biggest cannons I´ve seen in a fighter size ship in the starwars universe

I still don't get why they have S-foils.

Why did the Z-95 sprout S-Foils and become an X-Wing?

Why does a B-Wing have S-Foils?

Why are they called S-Foils when they don't in any way resemble an S?

Ah the mysteries of Star Wars science.

S-foils are actually named "Strike Foils" as in they are there to open during combat.

And the common and almost only reason given in the EU and I also believe in the current Episode VII technical books and sources, are they are to radiate heat off of them. That the extra surface area with actual heat radiators helps cool the lasers when they fire.

The Z-95 fired less powerful guns than the Xwing, and I guess didnt need them, and or the concept wasnt as refined when they made it.

The B-wing has its main ion cannons on the two gunes that are on the wings, along with one on the tip of the bottom fin, so I guess ion cannons also need to radiate enough heat from ion cannon, plus I guess with the laser-Bwing from Rebels it helps with the superlaser converge and fire mechanism.

S-foils are actually named "Strike Foils" as in they are there to open during combat.

And the common and almost only reason given in the EU and I also believe in the current Episode VII technical books and sources, are they are to radiate heat off of them. That the extra surface area with actual heat radiators helps cool the lasers when they fire.

The Z-95 fired less powerful guns than the Xwing, and I guess didnt need them, and or the concept wasnt as refined when they made it.

The B-wing has its main ion cannons on the two gunes that are on the wings, along with one on the tip of the bottom fin, so I guess ion cannons also need to radiate enough heat from ion cannon, plus I guess with the laser-Bwing from Rebels it helps with the superlaser converge and fire mechanism.

Fair enough - so why can't they be radiators on the ARC?

S-foils are actually named "Strike Foils" as in they are there to open during combat.

And the common and almost only reason given in the EU and I also believe in the current Episode VII technical books and sources, are they are to radiate heat off of them. That the extra surface area with actual heat radiators helps cool the lasers when they fire.

The Z-95 fired less powerful guns than the Xwing, and I guess didnt need them, and or the concept wasnt as refined when they made it.

The B-wing has its main ion cannons on the two gunes that are on the wings, along with one on the tip of the bottom fin, so I guess ion cannons also need to radiate enough heat from ion cannon, plus I guess with the laser-Bwing from Rebels it helps with the superlaser converge and fire mechanism.

Fair enough - so why can't they be radiators on the ARC?

I never said they weren't. But I guss I did leave it out of the comment.

And they actually are radiators, on the ARC-170, or at least according to the Incredible Cross-section book that came out for Episode III when the movie came out, just like the one for Episode VII says they are for the T-70.

Also side note, in one of the Xwing novels one of the Wraith Squadron members fires at a TIE while his wings/S-foils that are closed, because they were attacked while still trying to get ready for combat. Wedge even said that while unconventional it seemed to work so said he'd "add it to the book".

The only thing is that I guess if one would do that too much it might cause the lasers to voerheat, and I cant imagine that would be very good, and might even be catastrophic.

S-foils are actually named "Strike Foils" as in they are there to open during combat.

And the common and almost only reason given in the EU and I also believe in the current Episode VII technical books and sources, are they are to radiate heat off of them. That the extra surface area with actual heat radiators helps cool the lasers when they fire.

The Z-95 fired less powerful guns than the Xwing, and I guess didnt need them, and or the concept wasnt as refined when they made it.

The B-wing has its main ion cannons on the two gunes that are on the wings, along with one on the tip of the bottom fin, so I guess ion cannons also need to radiate enough heat from ion cannon, plus I guess with the laser-Bwing from Rebels it helps with the superlaser converge and fire mechanism.

Fair enough - so why can't they be radiators on the ARC?

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I never said they weren't. But I guss I did leave it out of the comment.

And they actually are radiators, on the ARC-170, or at least according to the Incredible Cross-section book that came out for Episode III when the movie came out, just like the one for Episode VII says they are for the T-70.

Also side note, in one of the Xwing novels one of the Wraith Squadron members fires at a TIE while his wings/S-foils that are closed, because they were attacked while still trying to get ready for combat. Wedge even said that while unconventional it seemed to work so said he'd "add it to the book".

The only thing is that I guess if one would do that too much it might cause the lasers to voerheat, and I cant imagine that would be very good, and might even be catastrophic.

Maybe they'd just need some time to cool down like in Mass Effect. Such a shame they changed that mechanic for Mass Effect 2.

Yeah, I could see them being okay if they overheated and then were given time to cool down, but if you kept firing them while overheated, that could be pretty bad. Same thing goes for Halo with the plasma guns overheating.

Yeah, I could see them being okay if they overheated and then were given time to cool down, but if you kept firing them while overheated, that could be pretty bad. Same thing goes for Halo with the plasma guns overheating.

Oooh, there should be an EPT or Modification or something that let's you fire an with an extra red or something then force you to rest (maybe can't shoot next turn, or you receive an ion or something). Kinda like Corran Horn, but not quite.

Actually, closer to the situation you described would be the opposite of Corran - you fire a shot in the activation phase but then can't shoot for two turns (or can't shoot for one turn and receive an ion, or a damage, or something else).

S-foils are actually named "Strike Foils" as in they are there to open during combat.

And the common and almost only reason given in the EU and I also believe in the current Episode VII technical books and sources, are they are to radiate heat off of them. That the extra surface area with actual heat radiators helps cool the lasers when they fire.

The Z-95 fired less powerful guns than the Xwing, and I guess didnt need them, and or the concept wasnt as refined when they made it.

The B-wing has its main ion cannons on the two gunes that are on the wings, along with one on the tip of the bottom fin, so I guess ion cannons also need to radiate enough heat from ion cannon, plus I guess with the laser-Bwing from Rebels it helps with the superlaser converge and fire mechanism.

Fair enough - so why can't they be radiators on the ARC?

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I never said they weren't. But I guss I did leave it out of the comment.

And they actually are radiators, on the ARC-170, or at least according to the Incredible Cross-section book that came out for Episode III when the movie came out, just like the one for Episode VII says they are for the T-70.

Are you sure about the T-70? One of many reasons I dislike the T-70 is that the S-foils don't change the area, as the "wings" barely overlap.

S-foils are actually named "Strike Foils" as in they are there to open during combat.

And the common and almost only reason given in the EU and I also believe in the current Episode VII technical books and sources, are they are to radiate heat off of them. That the extra surface area with actual heat radiators helps cool the lasers when they fire.

The Z-95 fired less powerful guns than the Xwing, and I guess didnt need them, and or the concept wasnt as refined when they made it.

The B-wing has its main ion cannons on the two gunes that are on the wings, along with one on the tip of the bottom fin, so I guess ion cannons also need to radiate enough heat from ion cannon, plus I guess with the laser-Bwing from Rebels it helps with the superlaser converge and fire mechanism.

Fair enough - so why can't they be radiators on the ARC?

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I never said they weren't. But I guss I did leave it out of the comment.

And they actually are radiators, on the ARC-170, or at least according to the Incredible Cross-section book that came out for Episode III when the movie came out, just like the one for Episode VII says they are for the T-70.

Are you sure about the T-70? One of many reasons I dislike the T-70 is that the S-foils don't change the area, as the "wings" barely overlap.

Maybe the lasers got more efficient?

Then it has S-foils for no reason. Or for some other reason never explained. Or maybe the "design team" didn't really think about any nuances besides the "a very slightly different X-wing" guideline.

Then it has S-foils for no reason. Or for some other reason never explained. Or maybe the "design team" didn't really think about any nuances besides the "a very slightly different X-wing" guideline.

Edit: scratch that; according to a quick image search I just did it's just the semicircular intakes that were in his original designs, not the offset wings.

S-foils are actually named "Strike Foils" as in they are there to open during combat.

And the common and almost only reason given in the EU and I also believe in the current Episode VII technical books and sources, are they are to radiate heat off of them. That the extra surface area with actual heat radiators helps cool the lasers when they fire.

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I never said they weren't. But I guss I did leave it out of the comment.

And they actually are radiators, on the ARC-170, or at least according to the Incredible Cross-section book that came out for Episode III when the movie came out, just like the one for Episode VII says they are for the T-70.

Are you sure about the T-70? One of many reasons I dislike the T-70 is that the S-foils don't change the area, as the "wings" barely overlap.

Actually it does change the area on the Arc-170, it gives each of the main wings its area still, with extras on the bottoms of the above and below flaps...

There are extra surfaces available for the radiators, under and over the main wing, and under/over the panels (S-foils).

And I am positive about it saying so in the book, I'd post a picture myself but don't know how to post pics on this forum- so here is a link:

http://www.funnyjunk.com/I+don+t+even+have+fish+but+i+need+this/funny-pictures/5783601/5#5

As for the T-70 Xwing, I'll have to find a picture. Oh and if I remember correctly it is in the engine bulbs on the T-70

And you would becorrect on the book not saying it, about the T-70's radiators. Though it does show the same style radiator panels at the aft of each egine pod/bulb, which would be covered over by the S-foils being closed.

I Just blame JJ and his really bad understanding of science when it comes to this one...just like ho w Finn,Rey, and Han could see planets blow up from the NR about a quarter of the galaxy away, as if they were right in the same system (if not better).(Yes there are current maps of the Episode VII planets and they line up in the same galaxy that the EU was set in geographically speaking)

And on how stars work.

Popcorn flicks aren't meant to stand up to scrutiny.

That would cost money and production time that could be spent on extra shiny explosions, you know?

Is it ready yet? :|

Hmmm, need to add a bump to this thread to keep it alive, but I'll have a comment and a question.

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While the ARC-170 is certainly of Imperial vintage, I agree with ficklegreendice that there's nothing Imperial about the ARC-170. The regime changed its military philosophy from one valuing life, to one exploiting life. In the post-Clone War era, this probably meant that they had a lot of the Republic military hardware on their hands, which at the time was still fairly new. They nevertheless (I imagine) ditched it in favor of cheaper TIE fighters not because the old stuff was bad, but because the Empire was engaged in a makeover. They probably destroyed a lot of the old hardware, or sold it off to local authorities. Maybe some corrupt moffs telling the higher-up that he had had the hardware destroyed, when in fact they had sold it off to locals and/or scum.

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My question, however, revolves around the Alliance Overhaul:

Lore-wise, I love this card. It helps with notion that the Rebel Alliance is refitting these fighter to modern specifications (even though I'm not convinced that they'd really be technologically obsolete in the first place, see above).My initial question of 'But what is the point of the card?' is answered here, but I'm a little annoyed that they're not Rebels only cards, when the title is Alliance Overhaul. It seems to me that this would be a great Scum ship too. What are your thoughts?

my thoughts are the ARC-170 is a rebel only ship, so a Rebel Only tag on the title would be wholly redundant

Why would the Scum need an ARC? Heck, why should any more ships be dual faction?

I get it early on when they didn't even know if people would be interested in S&V. But now? Sorry I just don't see the point.

my thoughts are the ARC-170 is a rebel only ship, so a Rebel Only tag on the title would be wholly redundant

Why would the Scum need an ARC? Heck, why should any more ships be dual faction?

I get it early on when they didn't even know if people would be interested in S&V. But now? Sorry I just don't see the point.

The point would be that, given the lore, it's just as plausible that ARC-170s would land in Scum hands.

my thoughts are the ARC-170 is a rebel only ship, so a Rebel Only tag on the title would be wholly redundant

Why would the Scum need an ARC? Heck, why should any more ships be dual faction?

I get it early on when they didn't even know if people would be interested in S&V. But now? Sorry I just don't see the point.

The point would be that, given the lore, it's just as plausible that ARC-170s would land in Scum hands.

Maybe FFG are privy to some information from Disney that we don't know about yet!

What I don't get is why that card upgrades the front guns and not the rear. Given the size, I can't believe the four tiny guns on the back where as powerful as the two huuuuuge guns on the front in the first place, but if they were why did the Alliance only upgrade the front guns?

Would have been cool to have a turret slot that is restricted to the rear arc. I'm not complaining though.

I suppose they actually did upgrade the rear gun too. How much is a free single-die crit-focus worth compared to one extra red?

my thoughts are the ARC-170 is a rebel only ship, so a Rebel Only tag on the title would be wholly redundant

Why would the Scum need an ARC? Heck, why should any more ships be dual faction?

I get it early on when they didn't even know if people would be interested in S&V. But now? Sorry I just don't see the point.

The point would be that, given the lore, it's just as plausible that ARC-170s would land in Scum hands.

Maybe FFG are privy to some information from Disney that we don't know about yet!

What I don't get is why that card upgrades the front guns and not the rear. Given the size, I can't believe the four tiny guns on the back where as powerful as the two huuuuuge guns on the front in the first place, but if they were why did the Alliance only upgrade the front guns?

Would have been cool to have a turret slot that is restricted to the rear arc. I'm not complaining though.

actually there are only 2 medium laser cannons on the back, not 4. They're just more accurate because they're very close to the ships midline and they're, you know, a turret. Which is why eyeball to crit.

Realistically speaking this is undoubtedly the way the ARC-170 was designed to work from day 1, but because that's really weird to implement(how can you have an aux arc that throws less dice than the front without an additional card that says so?), they just made an auto-include title that made it work the way it's supposed to.

Besides, if they gave it a turret slot but restricted it to the rear arc, the only turret that would even remotely be an upgrade is TLT. Cause Dorsal turret... is literally just worse. It works the same exact way except you can't shoot out to range 3. It'd also be worse because Gunner wouldn't work out of the rear arc. Gunner is an amazing investment on an ARC-170 because if you miss any shot, you have 2 arcs you can choose to fire out one. The front arc has higher damage potential, the rear arc has a higher accuracy. It's effectively half a PWT with none of the cheese of a PWT, and definitely way cooler than a PWT.

That and it'd be pretty dumb to have to pay to equip a turret that's standardized on every single ARC-170.