For the love of God, why do people want ARCs in the game????????!!!!!!!!!!! I'm ok with any prequel ship except the ARC. It is a stupid God-awful design for a fighter. V-wings are a better choice sense they were actually used by pirates.

I'm not a huge ARC-170 fan, but it's basically what the K-Wing should have been. It's laid out in a way that makes good design sense for the most part, other than the S-foils, which I can't see serving a purpose, except maybe retconning them as heatsinks for the laser cannons.

Edit: Ah, that's what the tech manuals did. Cool beans. Sharp people writing those for the most part.

Exactly, I think it would be a cool bomber but it is a "space superiority fighter", with a target profile larger than a Hawk.

For the love of God, why do people want ARCs in the game????????!!!!!!!!!!! I'm ok with any prequel ship except the ARC. It is a stupid God-awful design for a fighter. V-wings are a better choice sense they were actually used by pirates.

I'm not a huge ARC-170 fan, but it's basically what the K-Wing should have been. It's laid out in a way that makes good design sense for the most part, other than the S-foils, which I can't see serving a purpose, except maybe retconning them as heatsinks for the laser cannons.

Edit: Ah, that's what the tech manuals did. Cool beans. Sharp people writing those for the most part.

Exactly, I think it would be a cool bomber but it is a "space superiority fighter", with a target profile larger than a Hawk.

I thought it was "aggressive reconnaissance" whatever that means. I think realistically it's a heavy attack ship meant to take out capital ships. Space superiority is better left to sleeker, sexier, better ships like the N-1.

I will say that I initially hated the ARC, but this thread and studying the schematics have changed my mind. It's kind of fun.

For the love of God, why do people want ARCs in the game????????!!!!!!!!!!! I'm ok with any prequel ship except the ARC. It is a stupid God-awful design for a fighter. V-wings are a better choice sense they were actually used by pirates.

I'm not a huge ARC-170 fan, but it's basically what the K-Wing should have been. It's laid out in a way that makes good design sense for the most part, other than the S-foils, which I can't see serving a purpose, except maybe retconning them as heatsinks for the laser cannons.

Edit: Ah, that's what the tech manuals did. Cool beans. Sharp people writing those for the most part.

Exactly, I think it would be a cool bomber but it is a "space superiority fighter", with a target profile larger than a Hawk.

I thought it was "aggressive reconnaissance" whatever that means. I think realistically it's a heavy attack ship meant to take out capital ships. Space superiority is better left to sleeker, sexier, better ships like the N-1.

I will say that I initially hated the ARC, but this thread and studying the schematics have changed my mind. It's kind of fun.

You'd think the point is to take out capital ships, and that's a logical role for it, but if you look at anything written about it, they scream it's a fighter at you. It's the perfect bomber but it is a God-awful fighter. Heck watch the movies and they use them as fighters.... And 90% of them get destroyed. They should be the Republic's B-wing, but everything in canon (or legends) makes them its X-wing.

Yeah, well, what canon calls them the X-wing? I mean they do play the role of fighter in the prequels, I saw that, more or less, but they also get destroyed, so that could indicate it wasn't the recommended role. I think it would make a fun small-base ship for flying with a restricted dial like a Y-wing, but with a rear arc, and more forward firepower. So maybe less hull.

For the love of God, why do people want ARCs in the game????????!!!!!!!!!!! I'm ok with any prequel ship except the ARC. It is a stupid God-awful design for a fighter. V-wings are a better choice sense they were actually used by pirates.

I'm not a huge ARC-170 fan, but it's basically what the K-Wing should have been. It's laid out in a way that makes good design sense for the most part, other than the S-foils, which I can't see serving a purpose, except maybe retconning them as heatsinks for the laser cannons.

Edit: Ah, that's what the tech manuals did. Cool beans. Sharp people writing those for the most part.

Exactly, I think it would be a cool bomber but it is a "space superiority fighter", with a target profile larger than a Hawk.

I thought it was "aggressive reconnaissance" whatever that means. I think realistically it's a heavy attack ship meant to take out capital ships. Space superiority is better left to sleeker, sexier, better ships like the N-1.

I will say that I initially hated the ARC, but this thread and studying the schematics have changed my mind. It's kind of fun.

You'd think the point is to take out capital ships, and that's a logical role for it, but if you look at anything written about it, they scream it's a fighter at you. It's the perfect bomber but it is a God-awful fighter. Heck watch the movies and they use them as fighters.... And 90% of them get destroyed. They should be the Republic's B-wing, but everything in canon (or legends) makes them its X-wing.

Exactly the arc is the space superiority fighter, the y-wing is the bomber and the v-wing is the interceptor.

They are clearly a design pre-curser to the x-wing, in galaxies (only game I can think of where you could fly both without modding) they flew very differently.

Technically they both appear in battlefront II but that game did so so many wrongs to the SW universe for space fighters that it cannot be counted.

Said ARC was single seater.

TIE Fighters had torpedoes as standard.

Y-wing, Bomber and V wing had god lasers.

Nothing had shields.

TIE Bomber was a 2 seater.

Standard Star destroyers had SIDE hangars.

Rebels used a revised version of the LAAT.. so there is that for prequel ships.

Their design reminds me of the Northrop P-61 Black Widow, a night fighter, which for this time period meant a bomber-destroyer, which translated to Star Wars should be large-base ship destroyer.

You just did me a huge favour. I need to find a 28mm version of that as a model kit, I now have a drop ship for my PANO marines.

A P-61 Black Widow? It doesn't have a lot of space for marines to hide in.

Remove the 2 rear cockpit bits for gunners, replace with a larger boxier point with ramp that fits a little bit before the rear fins.

replace propellers with thrusters. Add futuristic gubbins. Repaint.

Possibly extend the rear fins by 33%

For an example of this, see what Firefly (and at least one other sci fi movie) does to an MI24 HIND.

You can re-make plane / helicopter kids into space ships so so easily.

aand for another argument in favour of the ARC.

"Nothing is Canon, everything is permitted".

Thank you Assassins creed.

You'd think the point is to take out capital ships, and that's a logical role for it, but if you look at anything written about it, they scream it's a fighter at you. It's the perfect bomber but it is a God-awful fighter. Heck watch the movies and they use them as fighters.... And 90% of them get destroyed. They should be the Republic's B-wing, but everything in canon (or legends) makes them its X-wing.

... You do get that scene is a parallel to Episode 4's Trench Run right? They aren't there to fight the enemy fighters, they're there to cover Obi Wan and Anakin til they get to Grevious' ship. Which they successfully do.

By that logic the X-wing is a shite fighter because more of them get blown up than TIE fighters (that we see) over the Death Star in ANH.

You'd think the point is to take out capital ships, and that's a logical role for it, but if you look at anything written about it, they scream it's a fighter at you. It's the perfect bomber but it is a God-awful fighter. Heck watch the movies and they use them as fighters.... And 90% of them get destroyed. They should be the Republic's B-wing, but everything in canon (or legends) makes them its X-wing.

... You do get that scene is a parallel to Episode 4's Trench Run right? They aren't there to fight the enemy fighters, they're there to cover Obi Wan and Anakin til they get to Grevious' ship. Which they successfully do.

I believe Obi-Wan even says as much.

Yet the enemy saw the ARCs as the real threat and went for them primarily. Interesting.

Find me a direct quote and I'll acknowledge your quivering nerd rage. Otherwise you're just spouting off third hand information, much like that "18 month design cycle" gem you drag out constantly.|

And yes, the burden of proof IS on you. That's how arguments work. Otherwise i can claim that that same CEO told me the ARC-170 is coming out next month for Wave 7.

They also said there would only be Two factions and no Big ships, but we know how that turned out right?

So, hey, buddy. How about that acknowledgment you promised? Are you still looking for evidence that FFG said there would be only two factions and no big ships? I really want to believe you. I furnished proof.

I'm not your buddy pal. And you showed me a direct quote where he ONLY REFERS TO THE CARTOON. Don't proffer evidence that is flawed and then expect me to accept it as the Gospel Truth.

Your ONE argument this entire thread is based solely on your dislike of the Prequels. I don't care. You are a negative influence on this forum and i can't think of a single post you've ever made that wasn't hostile or trying to detract from an ongoing discussion.

I'm not your buddy pal.

But contrary to the evidence at hand, I want to believe badly enough that you will one day be my buddy, so I will constantly remind you by calling you my buddy. I'm sorry if this annoys you. Please don't be a hater.

You know what "More generally" means, right?

I'd be happy to provide you plenty of evidence. But first, are you going to provide evidence to back up your claim that FFG said there would be only two factions and no big ships?

Hey, chilax guys! You're doing this on purpose to get the thread locked aren't you?

Yeah, this is one of those extremely divisive subjects which gets peoples heat up. I get it, the prequels sucked. Not everyone has gotten over the prequels yet. But the ships are cool and honestly, examples of them cropping up in the GCW and after are aplenty. Hell i've even gotten over my hate of the N1 when i realized i could just paint over the goldenrod and suddenly it's a space caddilac (like the bellyrub 22)

Rule of cool dude.

In deference, if this thread was Coralskippers(again) I'd be foaming with a fair bit of hate, so I really do get it.

All he ever does is try to get threads locked. I really don't know why i haven't put him on ignore yet.

All he ever does is try to get threads locked. I really don't know why i haven't put him on ignore yet.

All? Bold, considering I've never gotten one thread locked. You're either a liar, misinformed, or have a terrible memory.

Not what I'd expect from a buddy. Disappointed in you, buddy.

There's none of this hate over in the Armada forums.

Just kidding - I haven't actually looked. Maybe we should go start a topic on the Droid Control Ship there and see what happens?

Yeah, this is one of those extremely divisive subjects which gets peoples heat up. I get it, the prequels sucked. Not everyone has gotten over the prequels yet. But the ships are cool and honestly, examples of them cropping up in the GCW and after are aplenty. Hell i've even gotten over my hate of the N1 when i realized i could just paint over the goldenrod and suddenly it's a space caddilac (like the bellyrub 22)

Rule of cool dude.

In deference, if this thread was Coralskippers(again) I'd be foaming with a fair bit of hate, so I really do get it.

All? Bold, considering I've never gotten one thread locked. You're either a liar, misinformed, or have a terrible memory.

Wrong quote dude.

Anywho, comes on guys let's not fight. If this gets locked i'll make a point to make another Thread for the ARC, and one for the V-wing. And also one for the Torrent.

Also the Rebels CANONICALLY used a Lucrahulk (the big round droid ship) in an attack on the mall, so... yeah that can be justified.

Not editing as thought it was funny. But MAW not MALL.

Yeah, this is one of those extremely divisive subjects which gets peoples heat up. I get it, the prequels sucked. Not everyone has gotten over the prequels yet. But the ships are cool and honestly, examples of them cropping up in the GCW and after are aplenty. Hell i've even gotten over my hate of the N1 when i realized i could just paint over the goldenrod and suddenly it's a space caddilac (like the bellyrub 22)

Rule of cool dude.

In deference, if this thread was Coralskippers(again) I'd be foaming with a fair bit of hate, so I really do get it.

All? Bold, considering I've never gotten one thread locked. You're either a liar, misinformed, or have a terrible memory.

Wrong quote dude.

Anywho, comes on guys let's not fight. If this gets locked i'll make a point to make another Thread for the ARC, and one for the V-wing. And also one for the Torrent.

Also the Rebels CANONICALLY used a Lucrahulk (the big round droid ship) in an attack on the mall, so... yeah that can be justified.

Oops. Thanks, fixed.

The words out of the CEO of FFG are tired and unsubstantiated?

GenCon said they won't make a prequel game. There's a more recent interview with Alex Davy.

The thing about adding any ships from the prequel era is that they also need to be reasonably at home in the GCW. It's not a case of porting in or shoehorning in prequel ships: the version in the game is the GCW version, not the CW version. If there isn't a GCW version, it doesn't make the cut. FFG just makes something else.

Wasn't SWG the Galactic Civil War going forwards?

SWG was a victim of the "OMG NEW FILM PUT ITS SHIPS IN EVERY GAME" syndrome. When the V-wing is outperforming most the GCW ships you know it's a shoehorned ship in that game rather than an actual GCW represent. GCW V-wings are done fair better in Empire at War, where they're comparable to Z-95s.

I'd way sooner see an ARC170 in the game (a ship from 15 years before the GCW) than a K wing (a ship from.. what, 40 years after the GCW)? Yet people keep fanwanking on about the Kwing.

16 ABY, so 12 years after Endor. The old canon's GCW ends in 19 ABY.

The new canon's GCW is still going strong in 34 ABY by the look of it.

If the game represents the Galactic Civil War going forward, I do not understand why the Z-95 was introduced after the X-Wing.