I love how the prequels are so hated that ships from the prequels are far more controversial than ships from random EU comic books. Kind of interesting.

The prequel movie ships are so hated because they're ugly, don't fit with the design style of GCW era ships, weren't particularly powerful in their own era much less GCW, are no longer in use by GCW, and by extension never saw combat in the GCW. They don't belong in a combat miniatures game about the GCW. I don't understand how you don't understand that.

I'm not sure about you but if you ask me, those things look star warsy enough. But, like Sithborg said. It's only because the prequels that people get into a tussy about them.

Guarantee you if The X-Wing came from the prequels, people would think it's stupid- and let's be totally honest, it is a pretty dumb design in many ways. Shoot, most designs in Star Wars are stupid. But, they're also really cool. But **** near everything from the OT gets a pass entirely because it's the OT.

I swear, the prequels are exactly the problem that the Sonic fandom has.

The Sonic fandom looked at the Genesis era with rose tinted glasses, because it'd been so long since any new mainstream Sonic games were released. When they did something different in the late 90s after years of people playing Genesis games, it was reviled because, "Nuh! It's not the same!".

It's the same **** thing with Star Wars. The gap between the OT and PT is massive. People had time to get really attached to the OT and associated EU, and when something brand new came along, it was instantly bad because it was different.

The mindset bothers me, because it's just the same as the Sonic fanbase. You hear that?

The Star Wars fandom can be in many ways equated with the infamous Sonic The Hedgehog fandom.

If that doesn't bother you on some base level I have no idea what does.

If that doesn't bother you on some base level I have no idea what does.

The fact that there's a Sonic the Hedgehog fandom?

If that doesn't bother you on some base level I have no idea what does.

The fact that there's a Sonic the Hedgehog fandom?

Oi. There's a fandom for any and everything.

I love how the prequels are so hated that ships from the prequels are far more controversial than ships from random EU comic books. Kind of interesting.

The prequel movie ships are so hated because they're ugly, don't fit with the design style of GCW era ships, weren't particularly powerful in their own era much less GCW, are no longer in use by GCW, and by extension never saw combat in the GCW. They don't belong in a combat miniatures game about the GCW. I don't understand how you don't understand that.

They're hated beyond the question of their inclusion in the game. Part of the argument against their inclusion in the game is the somewhat irrational hatred of the prequel ships. As to them being ugly, that's incredibly subjective, and it makes little sense in the face of people supporting ships like the Hound's Tooth, Slave II, the Mist Hunter, and worst of all the K-wing, all of which are less than attractive. But continue to denigrate other people and be snide, you seem to thoroughly enjoy that.

I love how the prequels are so hated that ships from the prequels are far more controversial than ships from random EU comic books. Kind of interesting.

The prequel movie ships are so hated because they're ugly, don't fit with the design style of GCW era ships, weren't particularly powerful in their own era much less GCW, are no longer in use by GCW, and by extension never saw combat in the GCW. They don't belong in a combat miniatures game about the GCW. I don't understand how you don't understand that.

They're hated beyond the question of their inclusion in the game. Part of the argument against their inclusion in the game is the somewhat irrational hatred of the prequel ships. As to them being ugly, that's incredibly subjective, and it makes little sense in the face of people supporting ships like the Hound's Tooth, Slave II, the Mist Hunter, and worst of all the K-wing, all of which are less than attractive. But continue to denigrate other people and be snide, you seem to thoroughly enjoy that.

Yeah that. The YV-666 is an awful looking ship in my opinion, but, some people like it. But unlike others (not you, you're cool.) I'm not going to get uppity about how much I dislike it and instead, let others just like what they like.

See, thread.

The thing is, we shouldn't ask where these ships come from.

We should as what they add to the game? The ARC-170 can add a small base two-arc ship with crew and astromech, which sounds like you could really do something with that. Shoot, plenty of prequel ships could add something. Even the ETA-2 could be neat, and the V-Wing could easily be a 3 firepower high agility ship that's made of paper. (IT WASN'T A BOMBER.)

There's a lot we can pull from the prequels that would do so, so much for the game. We don't even have to give them necessarily prequel crew, either! Obviously Anakin won't be in an N1, Delta-7, or ETA-2. But there's plenty of Jedi who could, even some who survived Order-66. If not them, then plenty of other characters. Who expected the Scyk to actually have verifiable pilots? I sure didn't.

I love how the prequels are so hated that ships from the prequels are far more controversial than ships from random EU comic books. Kind of interesting.

The prequel movie ships are so hated because they're ugly, don't fit with the design style of GCW era ships, weren't particularly powerful in their own era much less GCW, are no longer in use by GCW, and by extension never saw combat in the GCW. They don't belong in a combat miniatures game about the GCW. I don't understand how you don't understand that.

They're hated beyond the question of their inclusion in the game. Part of the argument against their inclusion in the game is the somewhat irrational hatred of the prequel ships. As to them being ugly, that's incredibly subjective, and it makes little sense in the face of people supporting ships like the Hound's Tooth, Slave II, the Mist Hunter, and worst of all the K-wing, all of which are less than attractive. But continue to denigrate other people and be snide, you seem to thoroughly enjoy that.

OK, then just these reasons:

The prequel movie ships are so hated because... they don't fit with the design style of GCW era ships, weren't particularly powerful in their own era much less GCW, are no longer in use by GCW, and by extension never saw combat in the GCW. They don't belong in a combat miniatures game about the GCW. I don't understand how you don't understand that.

Design style: what design style? TIE series and then.. whatever the rebels happen to be flying? Including an offwhite/grey color scheme does not make a "style". The 4 Rebel fighters from the OT share no common design elements other than color scheme.
Powerful: By what metric are you judging them? Your personal bias?
No longer in use: Doubtful, but i'm seeing a hell of a lot of Aggressors on tables when there was a whopping 1 of them ever made. (The initial one over Tatooine was a knockoff decoy) Starvipers don't even exist anymore technically, the E-wing never did, what the hell is this Raider thing i'm looking at, M3-A Scyk what's that? .... You see where i'm going here?
Never saw combat: Not that we know of, and see my above point.

What i don't understand is your irrational hatred of something that really doesn't affect you, and why you even came back to a thread you said you were leaving and not coming back to a cpl pages ago. Try clicking that handy "Unfollow this topic" button up at the top right.

When it comes down to it this thread is subjective anyway. There's no logical argument for why the ARC-170, or any PT ships for that matter, should or shouldn't be in the XMG. It comes down to what FFG feels will sell, and what is a good fit for the design space. Not what a bunch of fanboys/haters "feel" should be the "proper" way of doing things. Just take your negativity elsewhere.

And FFG has spoken.

Tired unsubstantiated argument is tired and unsubstantiated. Go away.

The words out of the CEO of FFG are tired and unsubstantiated?

Find me a direct quote and I'll acknowledge your quivering nerd rage. Otherwise you're just spouting off third hand information, much like that "18 month design cycle" gem you drag out constantly.|

And yes, the burden of proof IS on you. That's how arguments work. Otherwise i can claim that that same CEO told me the ARC-170 is coming out next month for Wave 7.

Find me a direct quote and I'll acknowledge your quivering nerd rage. Otherwise you're just spouting off third hand information, much like that "18 month design cycle" gem you drag out constantly.|

And yes, the burden of proof IS on you. That's how arguments work. Otherwise i can claim that that same CEO told me the ARC-170 is coming out next month for Wave 7.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/114870-no-prequel-ships-settled/

With reference to the video so you can hear it yourself.

And everything he said referred to the the look and style of the Clone Wars cartoon and Rebels.
"in the style of, for example, the Clone Wars cartoon"
"We would not ever put out a product I think that would like the cartoon characters which has this very unique kind of look and stylization to them"

They also said there would only be Two factions and no Big ships, but we know how that turned out right?

Regardless, he also unmistakenly said the game is the Galactic Civil War going way forward.

I'd like to see a reference to FFG saying there'd be no huge ship or third faction.

I agree with this post, but not the comment regarding the Scyk,. I like the Scyk,. The Scyk is cute.

I like it after repainting it, don't like the paint scheme it comes with.

Regardless, he also unmistakenly said the game is the Galactic Civil War going way forward.

I've already answered that point.

Regardless, he also unmistakenly said the game is the Galactic Civil War going way forward.

I'd like to see a reference to FFG saying there'd be no huge ship or third faction.

Wasn't SWG the Galactic Civil War going forwards?

Circular argument is circular.

I liked the YV666 design, and I'd way sooner see an ARC170 in the game (a ship from 15 years before the GCW) than a K wing (a ship from.. what, 40 years after the GCW)? Yet people keep fanwanking on about the Kwing.

I agree with whoever said hang on, the ARC isn't that ugly compared to the hounds tooth, mist hunter and Persuer (slave II) they hit the nail on the head there. Those ships deserve to be in the game but come on, nothing wrong with adding the ARC and it's variants. They look cool, that's all the excuse anyone reasonably needs, and in game justification is frankly easier to get than a Tie Defender leading a flight of TIE LN's, even though the latter happens every time I something+miniswarm.

If the game represents the Galactic Civil War going forward, I do not understand why the Z-95 was introduced after the X-Wing. The statement poses more questions for me than it actually answers, although I do think he meant to say that there will not be any prequel ships. Or imply it. Or maybe not. I really don't get it.

You know, if the game will not feature ships from the prequels, why doesn't some FFG bloke simply say 'we will not produce prequel ships for X-Wing'?

If the game represents the Galactic Civil War going forward, I do not understand why the Z-95 was introduced after the X-Wing. The statement poses more questions for me than it actually answers, although I do think he meant to say that there will not be any prequel ships. Or imply it. Or maybe not. I really don't get it.

You know, if the game will not feature ships from the prequels, why doesn't some FFG bloke simply say 'we will not produce prequel ships for X-Wing'?

Because they don't want to pigeonhole themselves.

In fact.

Let's bring 40K into this.

In 40K war has been going on for essentially 10000 years, so right now space marines typically have Mk6-8 armours (with a rumoured mk 9 coming) It's the iconic Beakie or marine look. HOWEVER Forge world sells MKII to 5 kits, Now My Crimson fist sternguard have a lot of MKIII and MKIV armour (My Raptors have MKIV too) Because it looks cool, it's ancient armour that realistically shouldn't exist, but champions have it, they found the armours on an old dusty tomb world where they recovered the revered corpses of their 1st company from 10k years back. Now, different situation to star wars sure, in that 10000 year old armour in 40K is still fairly decent (and looks really cool) but rule of cool is firmly in effect.

A piece of ceramic armour that is 10000 years old stops a bolter shot like a piece of ceramic armour built 100 years ago (40k...)

It's the inner mechanisms you don't see. These can get updated, toyed around with, worshiped and oiled by holy WD40k (40k...)

An ARC170s systems can be updated to make it formidable in the GCW era.

Were I the commander of a small rebel cell and i saw some being mothballed i'd raid, take em, and spend the resources updating them into excellent recon ships.

Were I an Imperial commander who needed ships that can handle long range patrols and no-ones given me XG-1s or TIE Advanced because they are really expensive, well. old ARC170s would be bloody perfect. I'd requisition a dozen in a heartbeat and get some pilots trained.

Were I a space pirate (i am such a good space pirate) and needed ships on the cheap, i'd do exactly what the Rebel commander above did.

Prequel ships can be justified in that they exist. Just like the 40K armour can be justified.

RULE OF COOL defeats every argument against it, a permissive structure is inherently better than a fixed structure.

To the next person who says "waaaah but they said GCW going forward" That doesn't frakking matter. They said no big ships, empire and rebel only and really, it means no full on clone wars battles. These are ships that are still usable in the GCW era. We aren't asking for droid ships, we aren't asking for Naboo pilots. Just cool ships that we think are cool.

The rule of cool has always won with Star Wars. I mean come on, lightsabres, pewpewpew sounds in space, WWII era dogfights.

Rule of cool dictates that Prequel ships can happen.

**** that was a bigger rant than I intended.

For the love of God, why do people want ARCs in the game????????!!!!!!!!!!! I'm ok with any prequel ship except the ARC. It is a stupid God-awful design for a fighter. V-wings are a better choice sense they were actually used by pirates.

Goes back to Aesthetics.

Some people like the look of them.

Take the old republic Y-wings with all the Fairing. I may have to get a couple for my pirates and spruce them up.

Some hate the look, I like it.

Some people hate MKIII astartes plate. I think it looks awesome.

For the love of God, why do people want ARCs in the game????????!!!!!!!!!!! I'm ok with any prequel ship except the ARC. It is a stupid God-awful design for a fighter. V-wings are a better choice sense they were actually used by pirates.

I'm not a huge ARC-170 fan, but it's basically what the K-Wing should have been. It's laid out in a way that makes good design sense for the most part, other than the S-foils, which I can't see serving a purpose, except maybe retconning them as heatsinks for the laser cannons.

Edit: Ah, that's what the tech manuals did. Cool beans. Sharp people writing those for the most part.

Goes back to Aesthetics.

Some people like the look of them.

Take the old republic Y-wings with all the Fairing. I may have to get a couple for my pirates and spruce them up.

Some hate the look, I like it.

Some people hate MKIII astartes plate. I think it looks awesome.

It looks God-awful and it is a God-awful design. If the point was a heavy duty bomber, I'd feel different, but it's a bloody fighter with wingspan of the Falcon. And less firepower than an X-wing which has a smaller target profile. It is the only design from the prequels I truly hate.