The point of the thread was that I was just surprised by all the disappointment I had seen on the forum, and most people attributed their disappointment to the frequent use of the word "interceptor" while describing the Scyk, compared to the way the dial turned out.

That's the thing though. What is weirding me out is that there HASN'T been a lot posts about being disappointed or surprised. I've seen maybe 2-3 posts saying "I expected a better dial", and then something like 20 that were saying "why is everyone comparing it to the TIE interceptor, that's dumb."

It was the huge disconnect between what (I have seen) going on and what people have been responding to.

After a year and some change researching STAR WARS Ships... I can honestly say that I do not just see a TIE Interceptor when the word INTERCEPTOR is dropped.

If the Z-95 is the fighter of its generation, the Scyk is the interceptor. The Z is more conventional, built a little more ruggedly and with integrated ordnance, designed for a multi-purpose role. The Scyk is designed strictly to go after other fighters, either by swarming them or by upgrading to the Heavy variant and employing more brute-force methods. That's the difference between a fighter and an interceptor.

As for "squints" and whatnot, I've never been a fan of the informal nomenclature chosen by the EU authors. Fortunately, Disney has a chance to codify a replacement, or confirm existing usage as official, most especially in Episode VII.

The TIE Interceptor makes sense in the context of the tactical situation the Imperials were facing. Losing the Death Star to fighter craft probably sent shockwaves through the Imperial command. So the Interceptor exists as a craft able to intercept rebel fighters en route to important capital ships and defeat them in a dog fight before they get to proton range.

For a starfighter that is like a "real world" interceptor look at the A wing. Its really fast with 5 green and boost to intercept bombers and carriers the ordnance to destroy them when it gets there.

If the Z-95 is the fighter of its generation, the Scyk is the interceptor. The Z is more conventional, built a little more ruggedly and with integrated ordnance, designed for a multi-purpose role. The Scyk is designed strictly to go after other fighters, either by swarming them or by upgrading to the Heavy variant and employing more brute-force methods. That's the difference between a fighter and an interceptor.

As for "squints" and whatnot, I've never been a fan of the informal nomenclature chosen by the EU authors. Fortunately, Disney has a chance to codify a replacement, or confirm existing usage as official, most especially in Episode VII.

Respectfully, the traditional role of an interceptor (in our galaxy, at least) is to hunt bombers and support craft.

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Interceptors are anti-bomber or anti-recon. I think people are confusing interceptors with air-superiority fighters.

Oh no! Somebody is using a word you don't like! On the internet! :0

PSA: If you start a thread worth the title "PSA", the only "public service" that you're performing is broadcasting yourself as someone we can all safely ignore. It's arrogant, passive aggressive and whiney. You're basically saying that your opinion (and that's all that it is) is so self evidently correct that you need to stand up, a bastion of good common sense in a sea of idiocy, to beatifically educate the peons that surround you. Don't be that guy.

And he'll, your basic point is wrong. I'll grant you - interceptor and TIE interceptor aren't synonymous. They're only nearly synonymous. What else are people supposed to call the interceptor? It only has two words in its name, and TIE is hardly specific enough. And on the few occasions that people are talking about the general type of fighter, that will be made obvious by the situation and the sentence. In other words, as long as we're apparently communicating in tired old internet arrogance phrases, "lrn 2 context bro".

I'll apologize again for my poorly named thread. I tried to clarify that upthread and in the OP. But in a few other threads I saw some disappointment that I disagreed with and was looking for some other opinions. I didn't mean to offend and I definitely agree that rereading the title and bits of hte first post I came off as unnecessarily abrasive. But really, I was just looking for some other opinions and wondering why I was seeing some disappointment. What do YOU think of the Scyk? I'd love to know!

Did anyone really expect s&v ships to match the empire's state of the art fighters? The ship's criminals can get their hands on were always going to a bit worse.

Scums appeal comes from dirty tricks, abilities that steal from the enemy and use others on their own side to get an advantage and all of that looks fun.

Empire is the faction that owns superior movement it's their main strength so of course scum ships like rebels will behind the galaxies ace peacekeepers.

I expected a much better dial...well, not much better, maybe just a titch greener dial or at least a 1 straight. It's competition in faction and it's out of faction counter parts have obvious benefits (awing dial, z cost and illicit, tie cost) and while this ship does offer interesting options at a higher cost (title), paying more to have the option to pay more to upgrade small based ships has a pretty bad history (interceptor, bomber, hawk, ewing).

It'll work but not as well as I wanted it to and not in the way I was expecting.

If someone says Interceptor you know which ship they're talking about, same as if they said Advanced, Defender or Phantom. Everyone calls the M3-A interceptor the Scyk and the RZ-1 interceptor the A-wing. We get it, they're both interceptors, but nobody just says "interceptor" to mean RZ-1 or M3-A.

As for "squints" and whatnot, I've never been a fan of the informal nomenclature chosen by the EU authors.

"Squint" is genius. You get where it comes from, right?

Its a terrible nickname though. I've always hated it. Tie Int is just as easy to say and doesnt sound daft.

It's daft if you think it's a portmanteau. When you realise where it comes from it's pretty **** clever.

I get that it comes from a fairly poor series of books where for some reason *every* imperial ship had to have some 'nickname', most of which are lame

The TIE fighter's nicknamed the eyeball, for obvious reasons. Look at it dead on.

The TIE interceptor is the squint.

Seriously. "Eyeball"? Really? Lame.

Probably best I don't tell you why TIEs are called TIEs. I might just ruin Star Wars for you.

I don't know, the dial is certainly not bad, but it's not great either and lack some tricks.

I just believe that with only 3 hit point total, it will be harder to keep those ships alive. I was enthusiast about flying four of them, but after seeing the dial, I'm not too sure anymore. Definetely 2 once in a while, but if I want to swarm, I believe I'll be better served with the cheaper Z-95.

Looking at the cost, 14 points, I was really expecting an A-Wing dial. It made sense: You traded boost for barrel roll, gained one PS but lost a shield. But with this dial, I can't help but compare it to a Tie Fighter: you gain target lock, you trade a hull for a shield. The question is, will you really Target Lock with a Scyk? Maybe that's because I played too much with the Imperials, but with a 3 hit point and 3 agility ship, I'll probably focus or evade more often than not.

I'm not erasing the ship, like I said, I still plan to use 1 or 2 once in a while, but maybe I'll just buy 2 instead of the 4 I was planning to buy when they announced Scum.

yeah its just a bit 'desperate', why give a ship a nickname for quick radio chatter that is longer than its real designatin it makes no sense.

Like real world pilots would go 'two migs on your six'. Not 'two foxbats on your tail' as the flanker, foxbat, fulcrum naming codes were for intel and coding enemy craft.

Personal opinion i dont like the EU imperial ship nicknames i think they are naff.

If the Z-95 is the fighter of its generation, the Scyk is the interceptor. The Z is more conventional, built a little more ruggedly and with integrated ordnance, designed for a multi-purpose role. The Scyk is designed strictly to go after other fighters, either by swarming them or by upgrading to the Heavy variant and employing more brute-force methods. That's the difference between a fighter and an interceptor.

As for "squints" and whatnot, I've never been a fan of the informal nomenclature chosen by the EU authors. Fortunately, Disney has a chance to codify a replacement, or confirm existing usage as official, most especially in Episode VII.

Respectfully, the traditional role of an interceptor (in our galaxy, at least) is to hunt bombers and support craft.

And high altitude or high speed recce aircraft. The mig 25 was designed to almost be able to go into space to shoot down US spy planes

If someone says Interceptor you know which ship they're talking about, same as if they said Advanced, Defender or Phantom. Everyone calls the M3-A interceptor the Scyk and the RZ-1 interceptor the A-wing. We get it, they're both interceptors, but nobody just says "interceptor" to mean RZ-1 or M3-A.

As for "squints" and whatnot, I've never been a fan of the informal nomenclature chosen by the EU authors.

"Squint" is genius. You get where it comes from, right?

Its a terrible nickname though. I've always hated it. Tie Int is just as easy to say and doesnt sound daft.

It's daft if you think it's a portmanteau. When you realise where it comes from it's pretty **** clever.

I get that it comes from a fairly poor series of books where for some reason *every* imperial ship had to have some 'nickname', most of which are lame

The TIE fighter's nicknamed the eyeball, for obvious reasons. Look at it dead on.

The TIE interceptor is the squint.

Seriously. "Eyeball"? Really? Lame.

Probably best I don't tell you why TIEs are called TIEs. I might just ruin Star Wars for you.

Erm dude... i spent a lot of time reading into the 'lore' of TIEs. I have a pretty much film accurate TIE pilots costume so i think i know it stands for TWIN ION ENGINE... but thats just a name they made up because in ANH production they thought they looked like bowties.

I'm 40 mate, i've been reading about star wars since i was about 6 in some form or another.

You're not going to spring many surprises on me.

Right get this as a concept. In my *personal opinion* i find the whole stackpole stuff lame. Thats why im glad its not something thats really official and something people can choose to buy into. If in any of the movies i heard luke or wedge go 'two squints on your tail , watch out for that eyeball' well i'd cringe.

I just dont agree with you, its no big deal. It doesnt mean you're better than me or that you or I know more or less that each other it just means that I find one mans penmanship (Stackpole) dire. I'll qualify that in that i used to work in sci fi publishing in 'new submissions' so i was paid for some time to be able to have a good eye for good dialogue quite quickly.

Again, doesnt make me better than you but i know if i'd have edited *those* books that stuff would have had a red line drawn through it in the first draught.

Like B wings dont look like 'b's but they are called that because they were 'type b fighter' in pre production and the 'type a fighter' for ROTJ fortunately did look a bit like an A

Chill out eh, you like the whole 'trips', 'squints' eyeballs' 'uglies' thing... i think its lame, we're allowed to have different views you know

I expected a much better dial...well, not much better, maybe just a titch greener dial or at least a 1 straight. It's competition in faction and it's out of faction counter parts have obvious benefits (awing dial, z cost and illicit, tie cost) and while this ship does offer interesting options at a higher cost (title), paying more to have the option to pay more to upgrade small based ships has a pretty bad history (interceptor, bomber, hawk, ewing).

It'll work but not as well as I wanted it to and not in the way I was expecting.

If I were going to fill my S&V list with some filler ships and I wasn't planning on putting any illicits on them, I would choose the Scyk over the Z-95 any day. The dial is better and it can barrel roll.

I also think the TL is primarily useful for the heavy Scyk, though there are times when I wish I had the option with my Tie Fighters. There are just a few times when you either know you won't be in firing arc or won't be the primary target when it's OK to grab a TL. Then, when it's advantageous, you can use it. Maybe when at Range 1 or maybe even when you have your opponent with no Focus/Evades and shields are down....and you flub your 2 die roll.