Question about Diala's Precise Strike

By El_Tonio, in Imperial Assault Rules Questions

It says, "Limit once per activation." Does this mean on her own activation or on anyone's activation? So, for example, let's say she attacks and uses Precise Strike during her activation. Can she then use it again if Argus uses his command special ability during his activation to give her an attack? We played yes, but were not 100% sure.

SPOILER ALERT QUESTOIN RE: DIALA's SIDE MISSION FOLLOWS:

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Also, during Diala's Temptation side mission it gives her the choice of attacking at the end of certain rounds (see Allure of Power section). Since this is an end of round effect and not an activation for any character, we played it so she could NOT use Precise Strike during these attacks. What do you think... is this correct, or should it have been done differently?

It says, "Limit once per activation." Does this mean on her own activation or on anyone's activation? So, for example, let's say she attacks and uses Precise Strike during her activation. Can she then use it again if Argus uses his command special ability during his activation to give her an attack? We played yes, but were not 100% sure.

SPOILER ALERT QUESTOIN RE: DIALA's SIDE MISSION FOLLOWS:

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Also, during Diala's Temptation side mission it gives her the choice of attacking at the end of certain rounds (see Allure of Power section). Since this is an end of round effect and not an activation for any character, we played it so she could NOT use Precise Strike during these attacks. What do you think... is this correct, or should it have been done differently?

"Limit once per Activation" always refers to that specific figures Activation. Since it is possible to have 2 Activation tokens for a Hero (in a 3-player campaign) then she COULD be allowed to have 2 Activations in 1 round and thus she may use Precise Strike once in each Activation.

For the 2nd part: since the attack sounds like taking place outside her own Activation I would say that she isn't allowed to use Precise Strike

I get this from "Abilities" (page 2) in the Rules Reference Guide:

"If an ability is “used,” it can be triggered multiple times each
round, but it can only be triggered once per timing instance.
For example, an ability that says, “Use while attacking to apply
+1H to the attack results,” can only be triggered once during
each attack."
Because Diala's Precise Strike ability says, "Use when you declare an attack ...", I'd wager that you can indeed use Precise Strike when attacking outside of your activation. The thing is that she can only use hers for one of her two attacks during her activation rather than both.
Additionally, (and now I'm just going by gut rather than RAW), if Gideon used Master Stroke to give her two attacks on his turn, she would only be able to use Precise Strike on one of those since it is still during Gideon's activation and she is limited to one per activation. I should probably submit a rules question on that one, unless someone can find justification in the rules.

I get this from "Abilities" (page 2) in the Rules Reference Guide:

"If an ability is “used,” it can be triggered multiple times each
round, but it can only be triggered once per timing instance.
For example, an ability that says, “Use while attacking to apply
+1H to the attack results,” can only be triggered once during
each attack."
Because Diala's Precise Strike ability says, "Use when you declare an attack ...", I'd wager that you can indeed use Precise Strike when attacking outside of your activation. The thing is that she can only use hers for one of her two attacks during her activation rather than both.
Additionally, (and now I'm just going by gut rather than RAW), if Gideon used Master Stroke to give her two attacks on his turn, she would only be able to use Precise Strike on one of those since it is still during Gideon's activation and she is limited to one per activation. I should probably submit a rules question on that one, unless someone can find justification in the rules.

IMO you are choosing to (completely) ignore the crucial part of her ability: the "Limit once per Activation". Saying that "Well now I am using it outside her Activation hence it is not limited TO 'Once per Activation'"

Fluff wise (ohh ohh, I hope this will get me in to trouble like last time) Precise Strike takes so much effort from her that

A) It takes a lot of effort so it strains her (2 Strains) and she can only manage it once per Activation

B) Since it takes a lot effort she's not able to do outside her own Activation

But if she's doing something outside of an activation then she's gained some special motivation, power, etc that's allowing her to really go far beyond her normal abilities so she wouldn't be held back to the same limits as she is during her hum drum activation.

Of course all of that has no bearing I am just illustrating that you can fit fluff to whatever interpretation of the rules you want in most cases, which is why the age old gaming adage is "Fluff does not equal rules"

if Gideon used Master Stroke to give her two attacks on his turn, she would only be able to use Precise Strike on one of those since it is still during Gideon's activation and she is limited to one per activation.

I don't think Gideon can do this twice since it is a special action... under "actions" in the RRG it says, "A figure can only perform each special action only once per activation." Or, am I missing or misinterpreting something?

He can use Command once, but Masterstroke -- one of his 4 XP class cards -- allows him to use Command a second time immediately after using Command without taking strain and without taking a second action. So I think with that ability, he could have Diala attacking twice during his activation.

As Scottie suggests, people can interpret things in strange ways, so I think I will go ahead and submit the rules request.

But if she's doing something outside of an activation then she's gained some special motivation, power, etc that's allowing her to really go far beyond her normal abilities so she wouldn't be held back to the same limits as she is during her hum drum activation.

Of course all of that has no bearing I am just illustrating that you can fit fluff to whatever interpretation of the rules you want in most cases, which is why the age old gaming adage is "Fluff does not equal rules"

Even though this is completely irrelevant I'd still like to put in that by your fluff example then there's really no need to put the "Likit once per Activation" restriction on the ability.

But we, or at least I, will hopefully be much wiser if/when FAQ'd

Why not? The limit is still fully functional even if it doesn'the apply to attacks granted outside of any activation, as it still would be preventing the use of her ability on both attacks during her or another activation.

In reality that's why the wording is unclear as the limit functions under either of the offered interpretations, preventing one from being outright discarded.

But my point involving fluff is that using it to explain clear as day rules to someone not getting it is fine and helpful. However using it to back up a rules argument is problematic as it can often be used to assert many interpretations. And it encourages people to make the all to common mistake of not actually reading the rules as rules but trying to corral them into some convoluted logic about how something should work because of fluff.

I think what Forensicus meant (but correct me if I'm wrong), is that since it is a special action it can only be used once per activation anyway. So, this would not need to be stated again on the card (for example, they don't state this on many of the special actions on other cards). But, this also seems to go against his original point that it can only be used on her activation (i.e., why mention only once per activation when this is a given from the RRG).

So, that makes me think she can also use it once if given an attack on someone else's activation, thus the reason for my origional question.

I also think she cannot use it if it is not part of an activation (as in the story mission end of round effect I also asked about).

I think a FAQ would be helpful for this one.

I think what Forensicus meant (but correct me if I'm wrong), is that since it is a special action it can only be used once per activation anyway. So, this would not need to be stated again on the card (for example, they don't state this on many of the special actions on other cards). But, this also seems to go against his original point that it can only be used on her activation (i.e., why mention only once per activation when this is a given from the RRG).

Diala's Precise Strike is not a Special action. it's an ability. Special Actions are denoted with the arrow symbol. As said in RRG page 2, it's an ability with a strain cost. and abilities can be triggered multiple times each round

in my opinion, the reason why it has a limit 1 per activation, is to limit it in case Diala has a second activation token for that round, so she can only use it once on each of her activations.

Edited by Roolakhol

Lemme toss my free-range opinion in here.

Say during Gideon's activation he gives Diala a free attack, technically, this is not an Diala's activation, merely Diala interrupting Gideon's activation.

The "limit once per activation" would then prevent her from activating the ability, as the activation condition was not met.

Edited by Fizz

Was this ever resolved?

Yes.

a) Precise Strike is limited to once during her activation and once during any figure's activation (Gideon's activation).

b) Precise Strike cannot be used if Diala gets to perform an attack outside of anyone's activation, i.e. during the status phase.

https://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/19792319#19792319 and the following post.