hope for expert handling?

By Truegreek, in X-Wing

Expert handling is one of my favorite epts, its fairly cheap, and offers a very solid ability that is desperately needed to a certain x-wing. It was a staple of my rebel lists in wave 3, as wedge + eh + r2 gave me a very good dial for dog fighting. Then wave 4 came and I started playing imperials as it was just more fun for me personally. With the new faction and more importantly the improvements to the advanced, could we maybe see a return of the other movement ability?

(just denying Vader or Marik tl's to trigger atc with just could be the boost its needed to make it at least arguable again over vi or ptl)

I don't know. Phantoms might not be super dominant with some of the new tech on prowl and turrets might not be quite as prominent, but we are also getting re-introduced to Soontir "the mother loving baron" Fell and Darth "don't make me destroy you" vader. I don't think we're done circling the PS 9 drain, which means V.I is still going to be a go to choice.

Not to mention Vader can always re-acquire his target-lock after you handle and before he shoots. It'll, at best, take up one of his actions.

V.I Wes w/R3-A2 and Engine is going to have an even stronger showing then, I feel :)

Edited by ficklegreendice

On a firespray it can be better than an engine upgrade just for utilizing the rear arc. It is often hard to use that as your action for the turn, however. The new Fett (scum) may be able to get away with it with all of his re-rolls...

On a firespray it can be better than an engine upgrade just for utilizing the rear arc. It is often hard to use that as your action for the turn, however. The new Fett (scum) may be able to get away with it with all of his re-rolls...

When I misread outlaw tech, I jumped for joy at the thought of b-roll + re-roll + focus from stress ala soontir

Then I read the card properly :(

Is EH & PTL on Tycho a thing?

Giving him a free barrel roll, his regular action plus the PTL action which lets him drop TLs and be as maneuverable as an Interceptor - and can subsequently be repeated at will - sounds pretty good to me.

Is EH & PTL on Tycho a thing?

Giving him a free barrel roll, his regular action plus the PTL action which lets him drop TLs and be as maneuverable as an Interceptor - and can subsequently be repeated at will - sounds pretty good to me.

Having EI, EH, and PTL would let Tycho Use EH and any two other actions from his action bar every round and grow his stress stack by 3.

Edited by WWHSD

That's not how it works. EH is your regular action. So he could EH (which let's him barrel-roll and shed a TL), and then use PTL to perform an action off of his action bar. If he wanted to Boost and then Barrel-Roll he'd need to have EI instead of (or in addition to) PTL.

Having EI, EH, and PTL would let Tycho Use EH and any two other actions from his action bar every round and grow his stress stack by 3.

It specifically says:

"Action:Perform a free barrel roll action. If you do not have the [barrel roll] action icon, receive 1 stress token. You may then remove 1 enemy target lock from your ship."

on the first page of the FAQ - so unless I'm missing something here he gets to do a regular action besides the free action - on which he then can trigger PTL, no?

What I do understand is the importance of sequence, which you laid out so well.

That's not how it works. EH is your regular action. So he could EH (which let's him barrel-roll and shed a TL), and then use PTL to perform an action off of his action bar. If he wanted to Boost and then Barrel-Roll he'd need to have EI instead of (or in addition to) PTL.

Having EI, EH, and PTL would let Tycho Use EH and any two other actions from his action bar every round and grow his stress stack by 3.

It specifically says:

"Action:Perform a free barrel roll action. If you do not have the [barrel roll] action icon, receive 1 stress token. You may then remove 1 enemy target lock from your ship."

on the first page of the FAQ - so unless I'm missing something here he gets to do a regular action besides the free action - on which he then can trigger PTL, no?

What I do understand is the importance of sequence, which you laid out so well.

Edited by WWHSD

"It specifically says:

Action:Perform a free barrel roll action. If you do not have the [barrel roll] action icon, receive 1 stress token. You may then remove 1 enemy target lock from your ship."

on the first page of the FAQ - so unless I'm missing something here he gets to do a regular action besides the free action - on which he then can trigger PTL, no?

What I do understand is the importance of sequence, which you laid out so well.

Yes. It says: "Action: (Perform a free barrel roll action. If you do not have the [barrel roll] action icon, receive 1 stress token. You may then remove 1 enemy target lock from your ship.)" --Parentheses inserted by me.

You take an action. The action is: "Perform a free barrel roll action. If you do not have the [barrel roll] action icon, receive 1 stress token. You may then remove 1 enemy target lock from your ship."

I'm...not sure where the confusion lies, with this card...: )

Yes. It says: "Action: (Perform a free barrel roll action. If you do not have the [barrel roll] action icon, receive 1 stress token. You may then remove 1 enemy target lock from your ship.)" --Parentheses inserted by me.

You take an action. The action is: "Perform a free barrel roll action. If you do not have the [barrel roll] action icon, receive 1 stress token. You may then remove 1 enemy target lock from your ship."

I'm...not sure where the confusion lies, with this card...: )

How about the inclusion of the word "free" as opposed to "not-free" i.e. "regular/standard"?

To me the inclusion of "free" must be setting it apart from that.

Compare this with the text on Daredevil for example:

"Action: Execute a white [ 1 Left-Turn] or [ 1 Right-Turn] maneuver. Then, receive 1 stress token."

Or Expose:

Action: Until the end of the round, increase your primary weapon value by 1 and decrease your agility value by 1.

Both DD and EH have been FAQed and retained this clear difference in wording.

Yes. It says: "Action: (Perform a free barrel roll action. If you do not have the [barrel roll] action icon, receive 1 stress token. You may then remove 1 enemy target lock from your ship.)" --Parentheses inserted by me.

You take an action. The action is: "Perform a free barrel roll action. If you do not have the [barrel roll] action icon, receive 1 stress token. You may then remove 1 enemy target lock from your ship."

I'm...not sure where the confusion lies, with this card...: )

How about the inclusion of the word "free" as opposed to "not-free" i.e. "regular/standard"?

To me the inclusion of "free" must be setting it apart from that.

Compare this with the text on Daredevil for example:

"Action: Execute a white [ 1 Left-Turn] or [ 1 Right-Turn] maneuver. Then, receive 1 stress token."

Or Expose:

Action: Until the end of the round, increase your primary weapon value by 1 and decrease your agility value by 1.

Both DD and EH have been FAQed and retained this clear difference in wording.

Neither of those examples are actions that are triggering other actions. They use the term "free action" to refer to an action that is granted outside of the the regular action that you get during the Perform Action Step. Look at Push the Limit or Jake Farrel for other examples of card that grant "free actions".

EH was errataed because the original wording got around the restriction of being able to only perform the same action once in a round. By making EH grant a free barrel-roll action, it prevented people from barrel-rolling twice in a round.

Any card with the header "Action" costs you an action to activate it. In the case of Expert Handling, you must spend a 'normal' action to be able to perform another action (a barrel roll) that happens to be free... But your 'primary' action (activating the card) is spent nevertheless.

I know it sounds confusing to those not familiarized with the rules , but that's how it works.