Quick one!

A squad has Jendon and a Decimator with a Weapons Engineer crew card

If Jendon "assigns" a blue target lock token to the Decimator does the Weapon Engineer (key word "acquire") allow you to target lock another ship as well?

Thanks!

My first thought is no. Because you're being passed a token that you can use, you're not actually acquiring a Target Lock.

But the FAQ doesn't actually have anything that I could find, and strictly RAW I could see the merit behind the logic of saying it should work that way.

I agree with vanor on this one - the text of weapons engineer is specific to "acquiring a TL". Being assigned a TL token is not the same. (You would need the verbiage as seen in Fire Control System or Dutch Vander that explicitly allow a ship to "acquire a TL".)

That was my thought on the matter, but I thought it was grey enough to clarify.

Thanks guys.

Being assigned a TL token is not the same.

A thought...

If being passed a TL token was the same as acquiring a TL, which would trigger Weapon Engineer, then you're starting to look at having issues where Gavin passing a Focus token, could prevent someone from taking the focus action.

The more I think, the more I think I'm right. Because when Jendon passes you a TL token, you don't get to chose who has the red token, you get a blue TL token that matches up to whomever Jendon TL'ed. This is IMO clearly not the same thing as acquiring a TL.

I wasn't thinking in those terms to be honest. I was running a more technical line on the exact wording:

"assign" per Jendon ("...you may assign 1 of your blue target lock tokens...")

"acquire" per Weapons Engineer ("...When you acquire a target lock, you may lock...")

Both of these are very different to Garven who uses the word "place" ("...you may place that token on any other friendly ship..."). The Weapon Engineer double effect would work with Dutch as he has "acquire" ("...The chosen ship may immediately acquire a target lock.")

Obviously the Empire's targeting systems aren't as effective as the Rebel's...

I thought that they said 'acquiring' a TL is not the same as taking a TL action. That way you couldn't PTL off a dutch lock. I think that makes 'acquire' its own thing outside of the action or passing a token. So I agree with y'all that you cannot weap engineer off a Jendon-passed token.

So theoretically we have 3 ways of gaining tokens right?

The action that grants it

Being passed one (however the wording)

Acquiring one

Barring certain restrictions anyway (one TL per ship unless overruled by a card or ability)

I don't know if "assign" and "place" are the same. Are there many other places where these terms are used?

Kyle Katarn (pilot) "assigns" focus tokens - but I don't know how that's useful to this conversation, as you can't PTL off it ("perform" only), only Jan Ors (crew) which specifically allows "perform" or "assign".

The question then is:

Garven "places" a focus token

Can Jan Ors (crew) then turn that into an evade (key words "perform", and "assign")

I would assume not...

That gives us the following ways of getting an action:

Perform

Place

Acquire

Assign

The Acquire a Target Lock Action allows you to "acquire a target lock".

"Acquiring a target lock" tells you to place a pair of target lock tokens.

As near as we've been able to discover, "assign" and "place" are used interchangeably.

Jendon places the blue lock token, but that's not the same as acquiring a target lock.

I thought I remembered a ruling on the place/assign thing:

http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/123011-questions-about-jan-ors-crew/?p=1281004

The relevant bit of Frank's response:

The “place that token” is the same as “assign that token.” Garven is the only instance of “place,” but it is the same.

That gives us the following ways of getting an action:

Perform

Place

Acquire

Assign

Not quite. These terms really relate to specific things:

Perform: Is an action. Was originally used as part of "Perform a barrel roll" (not an action), but was changed. All "performs" are actions.

Place/Assign: Manipulate tokens, interchangeable terms

Acquire: Used solely for "Acquire a target lock" and executes that process (select target, check range, place both tokens, etc)

The only one which actually relates to actions is performing. The rest are simple processes.

Place and assign are the same thing then. Makes sense, but would be nice in an FAQ...

Buhalin, agree on your definitions above, my wording was lax. Although you can "perform" attacks (Dash Render crew for example).