... Let Rebels be Rebels and let Imperials be Imperials as the common fan knows it.
Because what we should all strive for is the least common denominator!!
Except that... this common fan knows nothing about the Victory-class Star Destroyer, the Gladiator-class Star Destroyer, or the Assault Frigate Mark II.
But with just three cats out of the bag, I'm sure we can keep the rest of them in!
I'm surprised there isn't some rules that enable cross faction. Just increase or decrease the point value type thing.
Noooo. This is how cross faction upgrades etc work in Star Trek Attack Wing, and it is a DISASTER for balance. It would immediately make me think twice about the game if FFG started opening that can of worms.
I cannot agree more with Extropia on this. Captain Picard -- with Sulu on the Klingon flagship... In every fleet. Crossing factions turns the game into a min-max fest. Total and Complete Disaster.
Of course, if you want to house rule it, StormQuiver, knock yourself out.
This is Captain Jon Lu Picard of the USS Bird-of-Prey
Oh, my!
Nah, the Neb-B2 isn't ugly. It's merely the victim of low poly count.
I think it's an awesome ship - certainly made me think twice whenever trying to take one down in TIE Fighter.
To be fair, shouldn't taking anything on in a TIE Fighter trigger second thoughts?
Heheheh...
I meant, whenever trying to take one on when playing TIE Fighter.
Truth be told though, I've taken them (Neb-B2s) down whilst flying the good ol' TIE.
Was ****dy hard though! But do-able with a modicum of patience.
So Neb-B2, CR92 in for Wave 3 too?
C'mon FFG!!
Gee, look at us though, Armada hasn't even landed yet and we're making demands all ready! This is too much fun.
... Let Rebels be Rebels and let Imperials be Imperials as the common fan knows it.
Because what we should all strive for is the least common denominator!!
Except that... this common fan knows nothing about the Victory-class Star Destroyer, the Gladiator-class Star Destroyer, or the Assault Frigate Mark II.
But with just three cats out of the bag, I'm sure we can keep the rest of them in!
We should all strive to support a game that doesn't confuse the living garbage out of people who are trying to get into a game that might not know a ton about X-Wing.
Not striving to simply give in to idiots, however I am saving that yes, the common fan will think that the Victory Class Star Destroyer is the "real deal" from the movies. It doesn't bother me all that much anymore because I know that it is these little Star Destroyers that will draw people into my demos. I want a game that sells, not a game of min/max junk where you loose feel of what makes the Rebels the Rebels and the Imperials the Imperials. Rebel Star Destroyers down the road, okay cool...sure why not...I guess, this game hasn't even come out yet, let us allow the system to settle first and leave the house rules at home for now.
There's a whole world of difference between a system that allows a cross-faction mess as standard, and giving some ships an alternate pilot/ship/title/whatever card that allows it to be used by the off faction. The latter allows the ship to be individually balanced and appropriately costed for the relevant faction for starters.
Hell, we're even getting the latter option for some ships in X-Wing, and as far as I'm aware the sky isn't falling for that system yet...
I'll happily setup houserules for certain cross faction ships in scenarios, but it really hurts both balance and faction identity ingame to mix stuff up.
i'd be fine with no "official" crossover ships.
Imperial Nebulons would have to come with their own figure (alt paint) and cards
While the base ship might be the same, the Rebels and imperials are going to make wildly different use and customizations to their ships
Plus, it helps keep the factions unique
Not sure imps will need it, though, unless there are simply no medium imperial ships to draw from
Edited by ficklegreendiceI still think Imperial B2s are the answer. Just say the Nebulons were replaced by the B2 models and the rebellion captured/acquired most of the surplus. Bam!
I also don't think cross-faction rampancy is the answer. Not to the degree of Attack Wing. Faction balance allows you to push the limit in different areas but not allowing them to mix means they won't be overpowered. Attack Wing's restriction-free system and carelessness with testing has created a steaming mess nearly unplayable outside of the rigid scenario restrictions.
Besides the Empire might end up with better ships than the Nebulon-B for their arsenals, so they won't be missing it.
I still think Imperial B2s are the answer. Just say the Nebulons were replaced by the B2 models and the rebellion captured/acquired most of the surplus. Bam!
I also don't think cross-faction rampancy is the answer. Not to the degree of Attack Wing. Faction balance allows you to push the limit in different areas but not allowing them to mix means they won't be overpowered. Attack Wing's restriction-free system and carelessness with testing has created a steaming mess nearly unplayable outside of the rigid scenario restrictions.
Besides the Empire might end up with better ships than the Nebulon-B for their arsenals, so they won't be missing it.
As much as I like the idea of exploring cross faction ships. I have agree with not wanting to realy do it out side of the home sector if you know what I mean
there are plenty of ships on both sides to cover both factions tactical needs and I would hope FFG would explore the countless ships available to Star Wars before they make cross faction a true possibility.
There's a whole world of difference between a system that allows a cross-faction mess as standard, and giving some ships an alternate pilot/ship/title/whatever card that allows it to be used by the off faction. The latter allows the ship to be individually balanced and appropriately costed for the relevant faction for starters.
Hell, we're even getting the latter option for some ships in X-Wing, and as far as I'm aware the sky isn't falling for that system yet...
If your talking about S&V the ships aren't cross factioned as much as totally re-done with a new paint job. They have new dials, cards and the minis have a totally new paint jobs. So there is no mistaking the ships from the other two factions.
There's a whole world of difference between a system that allows a cross-faction mess as standard, and giving some ships an alternate pilot/ship/title/whatever card that allows it to be used by the off faction. The latter allows the ship to be individually balanced and appropriately costed for the relevant faction for starters.
Hell, we're even getting the latter option for some ships in X-Wing, and as far as I'm aware the sky isn't falling for that system yet...
If your talking about S&V the ships aren't cross factioned as much as totally re-done with a new paint job. They have new dials, cards and the minis have a totally new paint jobs. So there is no mistaking the ships from the other two factions.
Well, the base ship is the same as is the dial
It's the pilots, the upgrades (unhinged astro and illicit), and the faction's access to other tools that defines the differences between these ships. You will never Scum Boba change his banks or Imperial Boba re-roll his dice, you'll never see a Rebel Y with an R4-aggro, nor Airen Cracken doing revolting things with the IGs...
The dials and new paint job are cosmetic changes meant to inform the consumer immediately that "yeah, these look the same but they're totally different "
Where in the current canon, the old EU is not necessarily canon now, does it say that the nebulon B is an imperial ship?
For all we know now, the nebulon B cruisers are nothing more than medical frigates.
Now, that being said, I don't think that will be the case, but it could be possible.
Much of the stuff we know is not necessarily true now. Read my signature. There is NOTHING in the movies, television shows or the few books and comics that are considered canon that mention the nebulon b, not to mention a plethora of other things, that could possibly change.
Very good point. At least there is evidence that the CR80/CR90 can run with the Imperials, as it was a Republic ship...
Do we know it was a republic ship? Didn't they make up some nonsense about the ship in Revenge of the Sith not being a CR90 because they got the model all wrong?
Anyway, I highly doubt we'll see an Imperial CRx in Armada - that's what the Raider is for!
... Let Rebels be Rebels and let Imperials be Imperials as the common fan knows it.
Because what we should all strive for is the least common denominator!!
Except that... this common fan knows nothing about the Victory-class Star Destroyer, the Gladiator-class Star Destroyer, or the Assault Frigate Mark II.
But with just three cats out of the bag, I'm sure we can keep the rest of them in!
And before anyone says "you can tell when you look at the base" of course you can, but that's not the point: It's about theme, iconic styling, look & feel, so to speak.
Edited by mazz0
There's a whole world of difference between a system that allows a cross-faction mess as standard, and giving some ships an alternate pilot/ship/title/whatever card that allows it to be used by the off faction. The latter allows the ship to be individually balanced and appropriately costed for the relevant faction for starters.
Hell, we're even getting the latter option for some ships in X-Wing, and as far as I'm aware the sky isn't falling for that system yet...
If your talking about S&V the ships aren't cross factioned as much as totally re-done with a new paint job. They have new dials, cards and the minis have a totally new paint jobs. So there is no mistaking the ships from the other two factions.
Well, the base ship is the same as is the dial
It's the pilots, the upgrades (unhinged astro and illicit), and the faction's access to other tools that defines the differences between these ships. You will never Scum Boba change his banks or Imperial Boba re-roll his dice, you'll never see a Rebel Y with an R4-aggro, nor Airen Cracken doing revolting things with the IGs...
The dials and new paint job are cosmetic changes meant to inform the consumer immediately that "yeah, these look the same but they're totally different "
Which is exactly how I expect FFG would deal with cross-faction ships in Armada - Just because the Imperials are using a Nebulon it wouldn't mean that they can magically start using Rebel Only upgrades.