YESS!

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I mean...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

With the above in mind I shall say nothing further on this topic, to avoid being accused of trolling.

It's not trolling unless you take nothing anyone says on board and insult anyone who disagrees with you. Don't worry, you're not a troll.

If the Raider appears in Rebels, it is going to be a very long time. Even with the long development time of the mini by FFG, creating models for the show is even longer. It would have to wait for the final approval by LFL for it to even be an option for the Rebels crew. And I highly doubt that there is much communication between FFG and LFL Animation before final approval.

Anything regarding Rebels or Episode 7 would most likely fall into the third quarter or fourth quarter release to fit in with the release of all other major items coming out. Disney will more than likely keep a very tight leash on anything being spoiled before its time. If we are lucky we may (THIS BEING A HUGE MAYBE) see a preview of new ships and other related properties in mid February with the big Toy Fair in NY. FFG had a both there last year for the first time that made the wires, they may have had one there before but never made the wire until the Star Wars licence. As for ships for the Rebels lines I personally don't think we will see any of these as the show is a marketing run to rebuild fan interest in the franchise rather than a stand alone market. Hasbro and Lego have got the EP7 items scheduled as a September release, which puts FFG in an odd place as they like to bring out their big reveal at Gen Con. Gen Con is going to be earlier this year hitting the end of July rather than the norm of mid to late August. So as to what we will see for the Con release is may not be EP7 ships but rather filler till a later announcement. I feel we will see the rest of the Scum Faction being filled out by the major hitter Bounty Hunter (Dengar, etc) the next few waves will be 3 ship releases with one for each faction, or a 4 ship with one for each and a fourth being a duel faction ship alternating between reb/scum and imp/scum.

I am willing to see the Ghost and other ships on the table.

However I do want some variety in the ship releases(Maybe one ship from rebles the rest from else where in the EU) and some more answers to turrets.

As for the Raider appering in episode VII it is possible.

ILM is working on the film and they like to put a lot of star wars stuff in their movies.

Death Star in Wrath of Kahn

Falcon in First Contact

R2-D2 in Star Trek (2009)

ect.

So in a licenced Star Wars Movie we may see the Raider givin a camo in the back ground of a fleet shot or similer.

Assuming JJ and the rest of the crew had access to the design in time.

Not going to happen. The Raider is something FFG and LFL came up with for the X-wing miniatures game specificly. It is highly unlikely, in the extreme, the Raider will show up in the Rebels TV show in any way. As far as I can make out, it's place in the SW universe is that of an anti-star fighter escort or covert planetary insertion/extractions. Rebels have the Gozanti already and the only star fighters in the show have been TIEs. I find it somewhat silly to think a Sith-ish Imperial inquisitor would not have at least a basic SD as a flagship/base of operations.

Never say never. I mean, Rebels did make use out of a fairly ridiculous old toy.

It's explicitly stated in its announcement article to be first deployed in 4 BBY,

No, it's explicitly stated that the raider was first deployed in 6BBY. In other words perfectly timed for inclusion in Rebels.

This is not the first thread speculating on where the Raider is from, despite the fact that FFG explicitly state in the article that it's from them.

Why do people find it so hard to accept that this ship exists solely so FFG have a corvette sized ship to release?

Nobody has been suggesting that the raider was originally invented somewhere other than FFG. What people are hopeful for is that the new story group will actually do their job and ensure that things invented for the universe in one media will cross pollinate into other media. This is especially important for new creations from tiny little niche licensees like FFG. If the raider makes the jump into Rebels it will show that the story group is doing what we were told they are doing. If things like the raider end up being totally ignored by film and book creators (note, I said like, if the raider itself doesn't that isn't conclusive) then we are back to different levels of canon because the story group is not taking some sources into account when guiding other sources.

Never say never. I mean, Rebels did make use out of a fairly ridiculous old toy.

That was awesome to see when I turned the show on the 1st time. I instantly knew what that was as I had had one as a kid.

No, it's explicitly stated that the raider was first deployed in 6BBY. In other words perfectly timed for inclusion in Rebels.

Close enough. That point was more against it being an Episode 7 ship.

As I said it's possible that it'll appear in Rebels at some point, but it's not going to be imminent. People talk as if this is some sort of Rebels spoiler like the LEGO releases when it's an original FFG creation.

The more I think about it,the more I wonder if it was built/designed in 6 bby specifically to let it be in Rebels.

For all we know, lucasfilm needed the same niche filled on that show, and was thrilled to work with FF.

Rebels fills this niche with the Gozanti.

Rebels fills this niche with the Gozanti.

From what I've seen the Gozanti sits there while its TIEs do all the work against a single ship. The Raider isn't going to waste its time with a single ship.

Rebels as in Star Wars Rebels. The Gozanti's an Imperial ship (yet oddly missing from FFG's perceived Imperial order of battle. The article says it goes straight from VT-49 to Raider)

The funny thing is, all of the folks who have responded "no" in this thread as it pertains to having the Ghost in X-Wing, are the same folks who would have said the same thing if someone (other than FFG) proposed creating a brand new ship called the Raider.

You would have had endless debate about how ugly it is, we don't need pie shaped ships in this game, it will be too over-powered, it's not canon, etc.

... it's an original FFG creation.

Stop saying this.

It was developed by FFG *and* LFL.

Which means it passed the story group. How much input did they have?

They really do need better imperial ships of this size anyway, why wouldn't they invent a new mainstay?

how would you know what plans they have for this ship?

Stop saying this.

It was developed by FFG *and* LFL.

Everything Star Wars goes through LFL. But FFG worked with them to design it. FFG was involved. That means it was designed for FFG's needs. If it were the next big thing to appear in Rebels, FFG wouldn't be involved in designing it.

They really do need better imperial ships of this size anyway, why wouldn't they invent a new mainstay?

how would you know what plans they have for this ship?

Not really, no. If they did, why would in 30 years they make so few?

FFG wanted a 150m ship. The rest of Star Wars doesn't care, the Empire can go as big as they want. The Tartan, the Lancer, the Carrack, et cetera. The Raider only exists because FFG were very picky about scale and probably a bit because they wanted a miniature Star Destroyer.

“Before we even announced the Tantive IV™ Expansion Pack, we knew Imperial players would need a comparable ship to lead their fleets in the game’s Epic Play battles. But none of the ships within the established IP and extended universe quite fit the bill. As we looked at ships that were larger than the VT-49 Decimator, the next possibility was the Lancer-class frigate at 250m; however, that was larger than we wanted for the scope of the game. Moreover, it didn’t quite fit the desired role, so we worked with Lucasfilm Ltd. and drew upon existing materials to create a new starship that fit seamlessly into the aesthetics and background of the Star Wars universe.

“The result was a cross between a Star Destroyer and a single-pilot fighter, something fast and aggressive."

X-Wing, relative to Star Wars Rebels or relative to Episode 7, is tiny. They're a small fish in the Star Wars merchandising sea. It's a niche wargame. Sure, it makes a lot of money, but compared to Star Wars itself? Put it into perspective.

If the Raider were from somewhere else, say, Rebels, then it wouldn't be FFG LFL worked with to make it, it'd be the people making Rebels and catered to their needs. Yes, the Raider might come up again, yes, the story group might figure "seeing as we've made this, where else can we use it?" But it was made for FFG. It's not from anywhere, it is not a teaser, it exists so FFG can have a good looking 150m ship to sell.

The funny thing is, all of the folks who have responded "no" in this thread as it pertains to having the Ghost in X-Wing, are the same folks who would have said the same thing if someone (other than FFG) proposed creating a brand new ship called the Raider.

People are opposed to Ghost because they don't want yet another 360 3 dice turret freighter.

I'm far more interested in where the cannons fit on the Raider than where the Raider fits in the canon.

Rebels as in Star Wars Rebels. The Gozanti's an Imperial ship (yet oddly missing from FFG's perceived Imperial order of battle. The article says it goes straight from VT-49 to Raider)

The Gozanti is hardly the same role as a CR-90. There's a huge difference between a TIE carrier that parks at the edge of a fight, and a point defense corvette that wades into a fight and murders the crap out of enemy fighters.

The Gozanti is a better analog to the GR-75, being a lightly armed transport rather than a dedicated anti-fighter combat ship.

It's not from anywhere, it is not a teaser, it exists so FFG can have a good looking 150m ship to sell.

And nobody is saying otherwise.

That FFG and x-wing are such a small part of Star Wars is WHY so many people are speculating whether their original creation will make the transition to the broader universe, people are saying to themselves

"Here is this brand new ship created for a little game, is Disney serious about having a single, unified canon? If they are then this ship should show up in other products. I think I'll start a discussion with other people who know about this new ship so we can speculate on where and how it might be more fully integrated into the larger SW body."

Every single thread about the raider showing up in rebels has been like this. Nobody has been suggesting that the ship was not created specifically for this game, they have just been speculation where else it COULD be used, now that it exists.

I think there are 2 seperate conversations happening.

Conversation 1 is saying: "wouldn't it be cool to see this new toy on the screen?!"

Conversation 2 is saying: "the new toy was not developed by people who could put it on the screen."

I'm sure we all agree that conversation 2 is technically correct. But that's a boring conversation, anyway. Conversation 2 needs to not be a wet blanket, and needs to let conversation 1 have their enthusiasm.

A topic like this one is not about fact, it's about play. And in a topic about play, we operate by the rule of improv: the answer is never "no". It is always "yes, and...", or "yes, but..."

Would it be awesome to see the Raider show up in Rebels? YES! YES IT WOULD! I'd love to see the episode where the Ghost plays cat and mouse with a Raider and a wing of Tie Advanced, ducking through a solar system, trying desperately to get supplies to another Rebel Cell. You know what else would be cool? If Mara Jade was on one of those ships.

Rebels as in Star Wars Rebels. The Gozanti's an Imperial ship (yet oddly missing from FFG's perceived Imperial order of battle. The article says it goes straight from VT-49 to Raider)

The Gozanti is hardly the same role as a CR-90. There's a huge difference between a TIE carrier that parks at the edge of a fight, and a point defense corvette that wades into a fight and murders the crap out of enemy fighters.

The Gozanti is a better analog to the GR-75, being a lightly armed transport rather than a dedicated anti-fighter combat ship.

As we looked at ships that were larger than the VT-49 Decimator, the next possibility was the Lancer-class frigate at 250m

The Gozanti is skipped. They state the next ship up in size from the VT-49 is (prior to the development of the Raider) the Lancer.

The funny thing is, all of the folks who have responded "no" in this thread as it pertains to having the Ghost in X-Wing, are the same folks who would have said the same thing if someone (other than FFG) proposed creating a brand new ship called the Raider.

People are opposed to Ghost because they don't want yet another 360 3 dice turret freighter.

Okay, if that is the case for most people, I can certainly understand the sentiment.

Never say never. I mean, Rebels did make use out of a fairly ridiculous old toy.

Loved seeing the Imperial Troop Transporter in Rebels! Had the toy and loved it when I was a kid. It was originally a McQuarrie design so not surprising that the Rebels team wanted to use it. There's a new toy of it coming out as well.

Jim