Where the Raider fits into the canon (speculation)

By 0Dark, in X-Wing

51 minutes ago, Ironlord said:

We've seen examples of "shields are not impervious to slow-moving forces on the ground" before - the Naboo shield in TPM, the Atollon shield in Rebels Season 3, the shield on Hoth (probably also one of these) - so maybe the Endor shield could have been walked through as well, with the shield border only being a few km from the shield generator, on the hologram in ROTJ?

Han & Company wanted to land within the shield, and without alerting the Empire to the potential threat.

Thats pretty much correct, though the shield used for the Death Star 2 was different, the only thing that was known to be able to break it would be another Super Laser, it also flat out vaporizes whatever touches it. It itself was a weapon unlike other models of shield generator.

The only other thing that was in the lore that could pass through this shield would be Dark Troopers, theres something unique about them. Remember how horrified the Rebels where that they did pass through there shields, this indicates that not only where the Rebels on that planet using a planetary shield that doesn't give a crap if your moving slow, Dark Troopers have something unique about them that allows them to just pass through shields. I thought maybe the Darkside using Bioroid trooper made to use the suits just used forced teleport to teleport through the shields, but then I remembered that the test scene with the Dark Troopers was without the bioroid.

In Rogue One, the Scarif shield has devastating effects on anything that collides with it too - and the implication is that, except at the gate, you can't get through even if you slow down.

On Atollon, Imperial walkers walked through the Rebel shield, and Zeb complains that Sabine needs to come up with a shield that can't be defeated that way.

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6 hours ago, Black Knight Leader said:

Thats pretty much correct, though the shield used for the Death Star 2 was different, the only thing that was known to be able to break it would be another Super Laser, it also flat out vaporizes whatever touches it. It itself was a weapon unlike other models of shield generator.

I'm pretty sure the Forest Moon also had a seperate global shield that needed to be deactivated (at least in a small section) for ships to land. It makes no sense for the Rebels to go through the gamble of using a stolen code to land on the moon if they could have taken a cloaked or stealth ship and landed ANYWHERE if there wasnt a global shield. Even landing 100 km or so from the bunker and the shield generator (which protected the bunker, generator, and projected all the way to the DS) would be possible, just requiring the commandos to use ground vehicles/speeders or allow a few days to hike in towards the outpost. Or was the Tyderium supposed to land at the same platform that we later see Vader? I suppose that would require the DS shield to be deactivated, or at least the portion that protected the garrison. But again, they didn't land on the platform and they wouldn't have needed to go thru the shield if it only protected the relatively small area near the imperial encampment. There must have been a global shield.

Anyway, do you suppose Han and the gang blew up the shuttle to take a crash after they landed? It seemed like they just left it parked in the woods and didn't do anything to keep the imps from finding it. Odd.

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The only other thing that was in the lore that could pass through this shield would be Dark Troopers, theres something unique about them. Remember how horrified the Rebels where that they did pass through there shields, this indicates that not only where the Rebels on that planet using a planetary shield that doesn't give a crap if your moving slow, Dark Troopers have something unique about them that allows them to just pass through shields. I thought maybe the Darkside using Bioroid trooper made to use the suits just used forced teleport to teleport through the shields, but then I remembered that the test scene with the Dark Troopers was without the bioroid.

I'm sure there's some kind of armor that can ground itself and allow living beings to walk through particle shields. Or Ray shields, since that somehow stopped the Jedi and Palpy on the Invisible Hand. Walkers seemed to have a grounding effect that allows them to pass through shields, and presumedly speeders and possibly wheeled or tracked vehicles could not use the same tech.

If we have it as a differently shaped version of the Scarif shield - then it would be completely immune to being walked through or flown through at low speeds.

It would, however, mean that all Legends references to them landing more forces than just that one shuttle-load, would have to be retconned.

2 hours ago, Ironlord said:

If we have it as a differently shaped version of the Scarif shield - then it would be completely immune to being walked through or flown through at low speeds.

It would, however, mean that all Legends references to them landing more forces than just that one shuttle-load, would have to be retconned.

As "Legends" they don't exist anymore so no retcon required.

Besides that there are a lot of things that go into games, and game promotion, that really have no place ever being considered canon of any kind.

According to Ironlord the Raider shows up and is named in the new Thrawn book. Guess its hard canon now.

8 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

I'm pretty sure the Forest Moon also had a seperate global shield that needed to be deactivated (at least in a small section) for ships to land. It makes no sense for the Rebels to go through the gamble of using a stolen code to land on the moon if they could have taken a cloaked or stealth ship and landed ANYWHERE if there wasnt a global shield. Even landing 100 km or so from the bunker and the shield generator (which protected the bunker, generator, and projected all the way to the DS) would be possible, just requiring the commandos to use ground vehicles/speeders or allow a few days to hike in towards the outpost. Or was the Tyderium supposed to land at the same platform that we later see Vader? I suppose that would require the DS shield to be deactivated, or at least the portion that protected the garrison. But again, they didn't land on the platform and they wouldn't have needed to go thru the shield if it only protected the relatively small area near the imperial encampment. There must have been a global shield.

Anyway, do you suppose Han and the gang blew up the shuttle to take a crash after they landed? It seemed like they just left it parked in the woods and didn't do anything to keep the imps from finding it. Odd.

I'm sure there's some kind of armor that can ground itself and allow living beings to walk through particle shields. Or Ray shields, since that somehow stopped the Jedi and Palpy on the Invisible Hand. Walkers seemed to have a grounding effect that allows them to pass through shields, and presumedly speeders and possibly wheeled or tracked vehicles could not use the same tech.

In the books that talk about the shield used on endor and that talk about the battle of endor, tactics used in the battle, it doesn't look like there was one. Also if we look at the hologram used by the Rebels during the movie, it looks like there wasn't one protecting the planet. However the hologram was not accurate, and maybe the Rebels were not sure if the planet had a shield itself, and so they thought it better to assume it did have a shield too, instead of flat out sneaking onto the planet only to be vaporized by the shields.

I never thought of it, why didn't they just land at the main base, I looked it up online, and it seems other people have some interesting answers. Landing right at the site and getting out would have gotten them killed, seem legit espically since, unlike when the Ewoks helped fight the Empire on the ground, all of the ground forces, or a larger portion would have been there, Luke probably would be the only to survive that encounter, as all of Tempests AT-ATs, a lot more troopers, and alot of Special Forces, would had been there.

To add to that, apparently they didn't find any defectors that would have willingly given them access codes to the base itself, unlike with the 1st DS or its areas for researcher are resource gathering. They were going to have to abduct local forces, out on patrol, steal there gear and there codes to get in without causing to much trouble. If that didn't work Luke would have had to use the Force to blast his way into the shield generator.

Another thing that was mentioned was that they needed to land and wait for a specific point in time before they destroy the generator for the Rebel Fleet. This also makes sense, if they blew it up immediately without the fleet being ready AND without the Emperor being aboard, part of the need for blowing up the 2nd DS was that the Empeor was coming to visit it, and he wasn't there yet, part of the purpose for doing what they were doing would be lost.

Also theres a chance by this point that Luke and other Alliance Force Users have mentioned to the rest of the alliance that the Emperor is some sort of force user. Maybe they were afraid to do the infiltration part of the mission with him just showing up because he might sense them in the act. Vader did, though apparently no one knew he was going to be there, Han Solo even rebuked Luke when he said he detected Vader.

In the end though it wouldn't have mattered how the Rebels tried to attack the base and the Death Star, he would have farseen what they had planed to do. It doesn't help that in current events they didn't even know that the Empire had all those Special and Elite forces on the planet, and the most elite space faring forces in space waiting for the Rebels.

4 hours ago, StevenO said:

As "Legends" they don't exist anymore so no retcon required.

Besides that there are a lot of things that go into games, and game promotion, that really have no place ever being considered canon of any kind.

Legends doesn't equal non-canon, besides the battle of endor was really really huge, many many many movies and novels or games could be made from different characters perspectives on each side and you would have a unique story barely similar to the others just because of units that had different secondary objectives, and in some cases, primary objectives, during that battle, we already have one for Blade Squadron, told from the perspective of an Ace Interceptor Pilot from the Devastator and Blade Leaders perspective.