It's quite possible that the Raider will be revealed as the Inquisitors command ship in Rebels. It would also fit thematically if he is a named pilot (or Inquisitors as super-elite generics) due to the Advanced being included.

The release of ships tied into Rebels could lead to the Ghost and Phantom, with rules for small ships docking with their larger motherships. Which, in turn, could lead to the Hounds Tooth for S&V, with Bossk's Z95 having similar docking rules.

This may even pave the way for a Gozanti with carrier capacity.

I hope things pan out as above. I think it would be too early to have the Raider as a teaser ship from Ep VII.

no

no

Why not?

I like the speculation, plausible and it would be cool and fitting to see this new ship in the Rebels show.

But I still don't want a Ghost in X-wing.

I like the speculation, plausible and it would be cool and fitting to see this new ship in the Rebels show.

But I still don't want a Ghost in X-wing.

As I've speculated, this sets the scene for the Hounds Tooth - a ship that lots of players want to see on the board and fits perfectly into the S&V theme.

Simply saying "no" is neither constructively debating the speculation, or offering a viable alternative.

Disney owns Star Wars and Rebels is their current canon. I'm as sad as most other 30/40 something Star Wars fans to see the EU being put in the sock drawer, but FFG will be driven by their Licence in terms of future releases and anything released before December this year is likely to draw on Rebels, like it or not.

We all want to see X Wing continue to flourish, but only releasing ships based on PC games we played in the 90s will only work to exclude new players, who identify with more recent (and canonical) media.

Fresh players + fresh ideas = a game everyone can enjoy for years to come.

There's nothing to debate.

We all want to see X Wing continue to flourish, but only releasing ships based on PC games we played in the 90s will only work to exclude new players, who identify with more recent (and canonical) media.

Fresh players + fresh ideas = a game everyone can enjoy for years to come.

I think this is gonna be the biggest problem of getting the majority of the Fourm readers to accept anything out of the box. There seems to be a very determined group of players who want X-Wing to play like the old 90 games. If you go though the threads you can see how many of them start with somthing from the 90's games or a few dozen posts of "well thats not how it was done in the computer game". Although since Disney threw out all the EU stuff doesnt that mean the computer games too?

We all want to see X Wing continue to flourish, but only releasing ships based on PC games we played in the 90s will only work to exclude new players, who identify with more recent (and canonical) media.

Fresh players + fresh ideas = a game everyone can enjoy for years to come.

I think this is gonna be the biggest problem of getting the majority of the Fourm readers to accept anything out of the box. There seems to be a very determined group of players who want X-Wing to play like the old 90 games. If you go though the threads you can see how many of them start with somthing from the 90's games or a few dozen posts of "well thats not how it was done in the computer game". Although since Disney threw out all the EU stuff doesnt that mean the computer games too?

Little Timmy can get his shiny white clone fix aaaaaaanywhere else.

I don't think FFG cares too much about canon, we have several ships from different computer games with the Defender, Hawk and Decimator, and isn't the E-Wing from the Dark Empire comic?

Now where's my Assault Gunboat? :-(

On the topic, I don't think we'll see the Raider in Rebels or VII. I was (pleasantly) surprised they designed a new ship instead of trying to make an existing vessel work but I don't think cooperation goes far enough to get that ship into a film or TV series, really.

We all want to see X Wing continue to flourish, but only releasing ships based on PC games we played in the 90s will only work to exclude new players, who identify with more recent (and canonical) media.

Fresh players + fresh ideas = a game everyone can enjoy for years to come.

I think this is gonna be the biggest problem of getting the majority of the Fourm readers to accept anything out of the box. There seems to be a very determined group of players who want X-Wing to play like the old 90 games. If you go though the threads you can see how many of them start with somthing from the 90's games or a few dozen posts of "well thats not how it was done in the computer game". Although since Disney threw out all the EU stuff doesnt that mean the computer games too?

Little Timmy can get his shiny white clone fix aaaaaaanywhere else.

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i dont really want the ghost. looks kinda dumb imo. and also, more super powered turrets for REBELS? no. JUST NO.

On the topic, I don't think we'll see the Raider in Rebels or VII. I was (pleasantly) surprised they designed a new ship instead of trying to make an existing vessel work but I don't think cooperation goes far enough to get that ship into a film or TV series, really.

Don't underestimate the "this is cool" factor. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the artists on Rebels had a meeting and learned about the new ships and such. And if someone says "hey, that's cool, I can stick it into this shot over here", then it goes in.

Several responses I've read here are quite rude. Its perfectly fine to disagree with the OP, however I believe it deserves a civil and reasoned response rather than a curt 'no'.

OT: It would be nice to see the Raider in other media for sure. Anything that weaves X-wing into the new canon would be great, however I think its unlikely since we already have lots of EU ships in the game. It would muddy the waters somewhat to have a mix of original new-cannon ships while releasing more EU ships (eg S&V ships and possible gunboat).

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by docking rules since you have not expanded upon your idea so I can't comment on that. If you mean having ships that can deploy fighters during a game then I would say that its outside the scope of X-wing, and can just as easily be simulated by having reinforcements fly in from the edge of the play area.

Docking rules are a dead horse. If I cared, there are several fairly long threads that have reared, hamstrung, poisoned, and autopsied the concept which I could link.

Is another thread on the subject actually necessary?

I really hope not, I don't get the need to force rebels stuff into the game or link everything to it.

It's an okay show but nothing amazing that deserves equal status to the OT the games based on or the EU.

I'm not plugging Rebels as such, but we can't deny it's existence and the possibility that the next few waves - certainly Imperials and The Rebel Alliance - may draw inspiration from Rebels, with S&V being the outlet for EU ships - ie allowing pirates to have more esoteric and varied ships. Or can we expect that, this time next year, a small minority are covering their ears and denying that Ep VII exists.

IF Rebels is the source of (for example) Wave 8 then we should look to whether these ships can bring anything new/positive to the board. In response to Rapscallion, I don't have any brilliant ideas for docking, and simple reinforcement rules may fit the bill. Or the ability to regenerate shields if flying in formation (range 1) of the mothership. The smaller ship may have a reduced point cost as it can only be fielded with it's parent ship (eg Bossk's Z95 for 10 points).

Whilst The Ghost/Phantom isn't necessarily a popular ship, it cannot be dismissed outright that FFG's Star Wars Licence may compel them to release a mix of ships based on the new canon ie Rebels, and the EU by way of interesting and varied ships under the S&V banner (eg Blastboats, Assault Gunboats, etc).

Outright dismissal of ideas, whether backed up by a rationale or by a monosyllabic answer will only lead to a stagnation of new ideas and the eventual death of a game we all doubtless want to be able to play with our own generation, and new players whose Star Wars experience relates to the newer material.

I, for one, want to be able to play this game with my son, currently 9 months old, and for him to want to play with ships he's seen in the 5 films planned for release over the next few years.

Several responses I've read here are quite rude. Its perfectly fine to disagree with the OP, however I believe it deserves a civil and reasoned response rather than a curt 'no'.

OT: It would be nice to see the Raider in other media for sure. Anything that weaves X-wing into the new canon would be great, however I think its unlikely since we already have lots of EU ships in the game. It would muddy the waters somewhat to have a mix of original new-cannon ships while releasing more EU ships (eg S&V ships and possible gunboat).

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by docking rules since you have not expanded upon your idea so I can't comment on that. If you mean having ships that can deploy fighters during a game then I would say that its outside the scope of X-wing, and can just as easily be simulated by having reinforcements fly in from the edge of the play area.

I meant to quote you in my post above.

Thanks for the support. It's telling that I don't particularly enjoy starting new threads as I too often see them shot down in flames in favour of regurgitating the same old stuff (conversely what I appear to have been accused of!).

It would be really cool to retrograde the Raider into Rebels, but I don't think the two are related.

There is some precedent to this in a way. Ansel Hsiao's work has been sort of canonized in the guide to warfare, and that was just fan-work. A canon upgrade to the Raider would be cool for Fantasy Flight Games.

A canon upgrade to the Raider would be cool for Fantasy Flight Games.

Everything is canon now.

It's quite possible that the Raider will be revealed as the Inquisitors command ship in Rebels.

No, it's not. Such a ship would be designed by the SWRebels team, not by a hobby games company.

I hope things pan out as above. I think it would be too early to have the Raider as a teaser ship from Ep VII.

It's not that either. It's explicitly stated in its announcement article to be first deployed in 4 BBY, and once again, if it were an EPVII ship, it would not have been designed by a hobby games company.

This is not the first thread speculating on where the Raider is from, despite the fact that FFG explicitly state in the article that it's from them.

Why do people find it so hard to accept that this ship exists solely so FFG have a corvette sized ship to release? Why, when FFG explicitly state that they designed the ship themselves in collaboration with LFL do people ignore them? They said the next step up from the VT-49 was the Lancer and that was too big. FFG made this ship with input from LFL. It's not from Rebels and it's not from 7. While it may get used further down the line elsewhere, it starts at FFG and given the length of development cycles it won't be appearing outside of FFG any time soon.

As for docking rules, we went through that one quite extensively in the past. Nobody could come up with a way to make them work that wasn't inherently disadvantageous or very unrealistic.

The Raider may have been Moff Tarkin's corvette, The Carrion Spike, from the new novel Tarkin.

That would fit the timeline of X-Wing miniatures perfectly. The Raider-class may also show up in the Rebels cartoon or a future movie as we do have non-canon ships that can become canon in the past:

1. The Sentinel-class landing craft first appeared in the Shadows of the Empire video game years before it later appears on SW:ANH Special Edition.

2. Victory-class Star Destroyers were first from the novel Han Solo's Revenge written in 1979 and then in WEG's RPG source books but now they are seen again and again in the Rebels cartoon.

Given that FFG had input from the Star Wars franchise on the creation of the Raider-class, I'm very much expecting to see Raiders in future cartoons, movies, and books.

I'm also thinking that the unique title card for the Raider-class will be Tarkin's The Carrion Spike.

The Raider may have been Moff Tarkin's corvette, The Carrion Spike, from the new novel Tarkin.

No, no it is not. The Carrion Spike is based off the stealth corvette from the Clone Wars series, and that's stated in the book. The one that's shaped like a spike. The Raider was also made in 4 BBY by which time the Carrion Spike wasn't exactly in working order.

The Raider was made by FFG for X-wing. They explicitly state it in their article on it. Will we see it again outside of FFG material? Probably, but it started at FFG, and we won't see it for a while because development cycles are long. You might see it pop up in Commander (it's interesting to note how in sync FFG's releases and Commander's releases are in terms of which ships) in the nearish future but it's not going to be a staple of anything major any time soon. It's not going to be in Episode 7 and it's not going to play a major role in Rebels.

2. Victory-class Star Destroyers were first from the novel Han Solo's Revenge written in 1979 and then in WEG's RPG source books but now they are seen again and again in the Rebels cartoon.

The Victory-class Star Destroyer, like the Z-95, is a staple of canon. It's been around for a long time and it's everywhere. The Raider isn't even out yet. I also haven't been able to find a single picture of one from Rebels. Imperial-class Star Destroyers, yes, but Victories? Can't find a single picture. If it's there Google is failing me.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see it, for the reasons outlined above.

I'm not going to get into the argument about the relative merits of Rebels, docking rules, or prequel / EU / etc whatever....

However, as was seen with the way that the EU organically built up over two decades, once something has be designed and added to the lore... it does have a tendency to start showing up in other media. As supporting evidence of this, I play the iOS Star Wars Commander game which has both the Defender and the Decimator. The former originating from the computer games and the latter from an old miniatures game (far as I understand). Therefore I wouldn't knock the chances of potentially seeing the raider in rebels... or a future star wars movie. Its first likely propagation though would be Armada, followed closely by the FFG LCG.

The VT-49 is from the old Star Wars Galaxies MMO.

Given the Story Group's desire for coherency I wouldn't be surprised. Releases from X-wing find their way into Commander quite quickly and I wouldn't be surprised to see the entire X-wing line appearing again in new Star Wars media. We're much more likely to see it propagate through FFG's stuff first though.

However, FFG made it. While it may appear in the future, in the role described in the article, it'll be in the future.

A canon upgrade to the Raider would be cool for Fantasy Flight Games.

Everything is canon now.

It's quite possible that the Raider will be revealed as the Inquisitors command ship in Rebels.

No, it's not. Such a ship would be designed by the SWRebels team, not by a hobby games company.

I hope things pan out as above. I think it would be too early to have the Raider as a teaser ship from Ep VII.

It's not that either. It's explicitly stated in its announcement article to be first deployed in 4 BBY, and once again, if it were an EPVII ship, it would not have been designed by a hobby games company.

This is not the first thread speculating on where the Raider is from, despite the fact that FFG explicitly state in the article that it's from them.

Why do people find it so hard to accept that this ship exists solely so FFG have a corvette sized ship to release? Why, when FFG explicitly state that they designed the ship themselves in collaboration with LFL do people ignore them? They said the next step up from the VT-49 was the Lancer and that was too big. FFG made this ship with input from LFL. It's not from Rebels and it's not from 7. While it may get used further down the line elsewhere, it starts at FFG and given the length of development cycles it won't be appearing outside of FFG any time soon.

As for docking rules, we went through that one quite extensively in the past. Nobody could come up with a way to make them work that wasn't inherently disadvantageous or very unrealistic.

Happy to stand corrected by someone who has clearly taken the time to read all available material and offer a rationale for the point they're making. I had erroneously overlooked that particular line of the Raider article stating that it was purely an FFG creation.

Apologies if this thread is reheating old discussions (let's face it, any discussion about anything pre-S&V could feasibly be described as such!)

With the above in mind I shall say nothing further on this topic, to avoid being accused of trolling.