In a game mechanics sense, this could have also been the flipping of a destiny point, which can show the interaction of the force even with non force sensitives. Obi-wan reaching out to Luke in the trench run is represented by the flipping of the destiny point as he makes his attack...

Mind you, I saw a lot of destiny point flipping there... Including Han showing up, diving out of the sun...

ISSUE 2

one character (guess who?) proclaim that there' s no such thing as the Force, which may be the prevalent opinion of the majority in this time period.

I don't understand *at all* how this sort of opinion isn't treated like "the Moon Landing was a hoax" and "9/11 was a false flag operation" wingnuttery a mere TWENTY YEARS AFTER THE CLONE WARS. There are probably billions of sapients who HAVE MET JEDI IN PERSON still alive. I could understand "the Jedi were corrupt" and "the Force isn't supernatural" but to just outright say, "pfft. The Force is as real as elves, gremlins, and eskimos" is unbelievable. And I'm willing to accept sound in space from you, Star Wars!

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one character (guess who?) proclaim that there' s no such thing as the Force, which may be the prevalent opinion of the majority in this time period.

I don't understand *at all* how this sort of opinion isn't treated like "the Moon Landing was a hoax" and "9/11 was a false flag operation" wingnuttery a mere TWENTY YEARS AFTER THE CLONE WARS. There are probably billions of sapients who HAVE MET JEDI IN PERSON still alive. I could understand "the Jedi were corrupt" and "the Force isn't supernatural" but to just outright say, "pfft. The Force is as real as elves, gremlins, and eskimos" is unbelievable. And I'm willing to accept sound in space from you, Star Wars!

Elves, gremlins and Eskimos?

One of these things is not like the other

One of these things just doesn't belong

Can you tell which thing is not like the others

By the time I finish my song

The Simpsons: Treehouse of Horror IV

I think my favorite part was when some imperial at the weapons facility comlinked Vader telling him the facility was going to explode and then asked if they should evacuate. Vader tells him no, if their facility is going to explode on their watch, they are going to explode with it.

It Was A Light Whip. We've Seen Them before

I'm fairly certain it was not a lightwhip. Reading wookieepedia, it appears it was likely a shock whip.

Or possibly a Neuronic Whip like the one included in Lords of Nal Hutta...

Edit: Typo.

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one character (guess who?) proclaim that there' s no such thing as the Force, which may be the prevalent opinion of the majority in this time period.

I don't understand *at all* how this sort of opinion isn't treated like "the Moon Landing was a hoax" and "9/11 was a false flag operation" wingnuttery a mere TWENTY YEARS AFTER THE CLONE WARS. There are probably billions of sapients who HAVE MET JEDI IN PERSON still alive. I could understand "the Jedi were corrupt" and "the Force isn't supernatural" but to just outright say, "pfft. The Force is as real as elves, gremlins, and eskimos" is unbelievable. And I'm willing to accept sound in space from you, Star Wars!

I found an interesting post on Wookieepedia:

In Star Wars Episode I: The Visual Dictionary (page 11) it is stated that "of the teeming trillions of species that populate the galaxy, very few individuals become full fledged Jedi Knights: the ranks based on Coruscant number only about 10,000." At the time of Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, the Star Wars Adventures Magazine 3 (page 5) has the Jedi "still in the thousands, but there are severe losses at Geonosis." The AOTC novel by R. A. Salvatoresays that "Obi-Wan, like the majority of the ten thousand Jedi, was a Knight [...]" Then Star Wars: Attack of the Clones: The Visual Dictionary (page 27) says that "More than 9,000 fully trained Jedi are scattered throughout the galaxy, with further 200 available at Jedi Temple for emergency missions."

The Decoded re-airing of "Ambush" explicitly stated that "There are only ten thousand Jedi in the entire galaxy."

Divide "teeming trillions of species" by 10,000 and you get a very, very small number of Jedi, even at the height of the Republic.

Add the propaganda of a police state and complete media control and it's not so unbelievable to think that many "man on the street" citizens would be thinking, "yeah - I knew those guys were pulling a fast one".

DARTH VADER #1

Ohh, this was a tricky one...

Not.

I honestly couldn't see anything in this issue that hasn't been included in canon before. Note: I am explicitly not including things like new characters, or the fate of established characters. Those are more story points. For the purpose of "New Canon" I'm referencing things such as Obroa-Skai, an EU planet that is now canon due to it's mention in the novel "Tarkin". There's nothing like that here.

It is a pretty good read though. It still smacks of the "hey we've seen Star Wars, honest" over-referencing seen in Star Wars 1 & 2, but not as blatantly as those issues. I'm hoping that all this nodding and winking fades out as these series become more established.

It ties in nicely with the events referenced in the main Star Wars series, but they can both be read independently.

If anyone spotted anything I missed, please let me know!

I think my favorite part was when some imperial at the weapons facility comlinked Vader telling him the facility was going to explode and then asked if they should evacuate. Vader tells him no, if their facility is going to explode on their watch, they are going to explode with it.

Mind you, I would have gone "Yes, Lord Vader!" and then quietly slipped out the back door. If you stay, you die, if he catches you, you die - either way you're dead, but one you can bet against Vader being so busy as to not notice a flunky sneaking away.

Picking up Darth Vader #1 tonight. I'll let you know if I see something that you may have glossed over.

Just read it. Great first issue. Definitely nothing new as far as items, locations, etc.

Darth Vader #1 actually introduced a pretty major canon change, and I'm surprised no one else noticed it yet.

If anyone spotted anything I missed, please let me know!

Travel time from Coruscant to Tatooine on an ISD is less than two days, and that's making stops to pick up goods.

Darth Vader #1 actually introduced a pretty major canon change, and I'm surprised no one else noticed it yet.

General Tagge is noted as having left the Death Star prior to its destruction. In the old canon, he was killed on the Death Star.

I'm very much okay with this. He had the best hair on the Death Star.

This is why I cringe at comic books being made "canon". Comics by their definition tend to go big with about everything. Not all, but most. Then add that the average comic book writer probably isn't going to worry about researching Star Wars minutiae to make sure they get every little thing right.

Did you really expect the typical Star Wars author of any sort, let alone comic books, to actually even think of researching hyperspace travel times?

I think for me I'm going to end up with the same old personal canon afterall. It's the movies plus whatever from the EU (this time the Disney EU) that passes my personal bull meter. Sure there's been a reset. But, do we really expect a different result? In 10 years of Disney EU there won't be any of the old EU contradictions. Instead we will have shiney new ones.

Darth Vader #1 actually introduced a pretty major canon change, and I'm surprised no one else noticed it yet.

General Tagge is noted as having left the Death Star prior to its destruction. In the old canon, he was killed on the Death Star.

This thread isn't intended for story spoilers, but more reference to new items, planets, etc that are introduced.

But I'm more than happy to expand the scope of the thread to include such things, as long as people are aware that they may be considered spoilers

Darth Vader #1 actually introduced a pretty major canon change, and I'm surprised no one else noticed it yet.

General Tagge is noted as having left the Death Star prior to its destruction. In the old canon, he was killed on the Death Star.

I absolutely did notice that, but if I may be allowed a small self-quote from the OP:

This thread isn't intended for story spoilers, but more reference to new items, planets, etc that are introduced.

So although that info is a change to the canon, it's not introducing a new element, rather a status change for an existing movie element.

But I'm more than happy to expand the scope of the thread to include such things, as long as people are aware that they may be considered spoilers

Fair point, and you're correct. I forgot about that when I originally made my post, and didn't re-read it until after I had posted. Sorry about that. If you'd prefer to keep the scope of the thread focused on new items, planets, etc. then that's fine. If you'd like to expand it, that's cool too.

Not a problem Yoshi, just didn't want you thinking I was sleeping on the job

For the record, I'm fine with opening the thread up to all canon changes from the comics, including characters and situations. I just didn't initially want people shouting "spoilers" and figured that the stuff I named was safer.

It would be interesting to roll the stuff in from the novels too, but that would be a BIG job. Tarkin alone has a ton of mentions, as is Mr Luceno's wont, bless him

Yeah I loved all the EU ships that Tarkin made canon, especially since an old favorite of mine which wasn't very well known even in the EU made it in. Hopefully the later novels will follow suit,

DARTH VADER #2

I felt this was a much stronger issue than #1, being its own thing and not relying on imagery from the movies so much. Some very cool stuff in this issue!

The Crymorah were mentioned again. I say again, but confess I missed the mention in issue 1. They are also mentioned in the Tarkin novel, so perhaps they are being lined up as a new Black Sun / Pyke Syndicate competitor.

The Annihilator! After the Executor this is the only other canon appearance of a Super Star Destroyer, and obviously opens the door for others to show up. (According to Wookieepedia, The Annihilator was introduced as the 'final boss' in the Forces of Corruption expansion to the video game Empire at War, where it was commanded by one Admiral Gaarn.)

The SSD is being used by Grand General Tagge as his command ship. Grand General is a new rank to canon, having been introduced in the video game Force Commander (of all things!) and is the army equivalent to the navy rank of Grand Admiral.

While Grand Admiral has yet to be reintroduced to canon afaik, this obviously opens the door to it's return. Maybe Episode VII will have one?

At the start of the book we see a Lambda shuttle under attack from a CR-90 Corellian Corvette, although in new canon, this is referred to as an Alderaan Cruiser. It's unclear whether this is the new official class for the ship, or simply what the Tantive IV was referred to however. This ship is being operated by robotic systems, presumably a variant of the Slave Circuit from (AoR) Stay On Target, although this particular one is autonomous in operation rather than remote controlled.

Finally we see a pair of upgraded Droidekas, which is the first time they have appeared outside of prequel era or Clone Wars sources in canon. These are somewhat similar to the Droideka Mk II, but have additional rocket launchers/missile tubes.

Seeing another SSD is cool but we've known there was more then one since Return of the Jedi came out so the doorway for others to show up was never closed.

Genuine question RogueCorona, how have we known about more than one SSD? We only see the Executor, and no others are mentioned, unless I'm missing something?

Seeing another SSD is cool but we've known there was more then one since Return of the Jedi came out so the doorway for others to show up was never closed.

Genuine question RogueCorona, how have we known about more than one SSD? We only see the Executor, and no others are mentioned, unless I'm missing something?

Han to Luke upon pulling into Endor and seeing the Executor: "Now don't get jittery Luke; there are a lot of command ships".

I know that line, but isn't that making an assumption that only SSD's can be command ships? Naturally The Executor is the command ship in that situation, but in another Star Destroyer Squadron it could just as easily be a standard ISD that was the command ship, hence a lot of them.

I'm no military expert, but in our Navies I believe that the fleet flagship is where the Admiral's flag, or command station is. Usually this would be the biggest and best, but technically it could be any vessel.

However the way Han says it does suggest that he's not referring to the Executor as a one off, agreed, but it's nice to have another named example in canon. Tagge has a line bemoaning how many SSD's he could have built with the resources taken by the Death Star, suggesting that these ships are indeed pretty rare and he doesn't have as many as he would wish. (Maybe by ROTJ many more were commissioned).

I know that line, but isn't that making an assumption that only SSD's can be command ships? Naturally The Executor is the command ship in that situation, but in another Star Destroyer Squadron it could just as easily be a standard ISD that was the command ship, hence a lot of them.

It's not making the assumption and doesn't matter when regarding Han's phrase. What it does imply is the SSD Han and Luke find at Endor is a "Command Ship". By the phrase, Darth obviously rides around in an SSD "command ship" and Han and Luke know this. Also by the phrase, Han is not sure if this exact SSD they are looking at is Darth's or not. That implies there must be others. And Han says, "a lot".