We've Been Told That Everything That Comes Out After Disney Bought Lucasfilm Was Cannon, Does That Include The Info In These Games?

Canon is more limited. From what I understand, canon is going to be limited to the original three films (IV-VI) and films made from here on out. It doesn't, for example, include Star Wars: Rebels (at least not yet).

It'll probably be a few years before what is and is not canon settles down. But even then, you'll find that games draw on canon material, and possibly non-canon material, but are not considered canon themselves.

So the short answer is "no." These games aren't canon.

As a side note: most game developers are more careful of accuracy then fiction writers and WAY more then screenwriters and producer/directors.

My understanding was that Canon is videographic media, which includes Rebels and Clone Wars. Rebels in particular is been noted as specifically canon.

As a side note, I completely disagree with Terghon - in my experience game developers are far more willing to throw accuracy out the window in favor of gameplay. Indeed I cannot think of a single game at the moment where this wasn't the case.

Current Canon is all 6 Movies, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, and Star Wars: Rebels. It also includes the new(ish) book Tarkin. This is according to the Disney post that eliminated the EU as canon.

Funny enough it is because of video games and EU not sticking to any sort of consistency that it was all "relegated" to Legends status. Also it was to give JJ Abrams a free reign to design what happened between Episode 6 and 7. If there was any consistency I am sure they will take it into account, but hopefully a lot of it stays out of canon (like the Vong).

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Not According To Kathlein Kennedy, LucusFilms New President.Disney, And Lucasfilm Have Set Up A Development Team So That Movies, Books, Games, Comics, And Emerging Mediums Can Be Cannon. Its One Of The Ways That Disney Has Broken With Lucas. She Even Spoke Poorly Of Lucas In That He Didn't Feel Holden ToThe Expanded Universe. Hence My Question. What Of This Would Be Cannon.

Most of the people working on LucusFilm material seem to still treat the EU as Apocrypha, even if it has been declared non-canon. They are not treating it as a clean break so much as the authority to overwrite previous works. And yes, Lucas was notoriously not on-top of EU developments.

I think we can expect it to be a year or two before they really nail down what is going to be canon and if they're going to layer it again. Until then, I'd stick to the media specifically stated by Disney - or perhaps just the movies, which are going to be the core regardless.

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Also, the new comic books that Marvel begins releasing this month will also be considered canon.

Canon is more limited. From what I understand, canon is going to be limited to the original three films (IV-VI) and films made from here on out. It doesn't, for example, include Star Wars: Rebels (at least not yet).

It'll probably be a few years before what is and is not canon settles down. But even then, you'll find that games draw on canon material, and possibly non-canon material, but are not considered canon themselves.

So the short answer is "no." These games aren't canon.

As a side note: most game developers are more careful of accuracy then fiction writers and WAY more then screenwriters and producer/directors.

Incorrect. 'Canon' is currently the 6 movies (original and prequel trilogies), and any products produced by Disney/Lucas from now on, which includes the likes of Tarkin, the new Star Wars book, and the CGI Clone Wars series, and Rebels.

It doesn't include these RPGs, as the RPGs are based on the Legends (old) Expanded Universe canon/continuity.

Canon is more limited. From what I understand, canon is going to be limited to the original three films (IV-VI) and films made from here on out. It doesn't, for example, include Star Wars: Rebels (at least not yet).

It'll probably be a few years before what is and is not canon settles down. But even then, you'll find that games draw on canon material, and possibly non-canon material, but are not considered canon themselves.

So the short answer is "no." These games aren't canon.

As a side note: most game developers are more careful of accuracy then fiction writers and WAY more then screenwriters and producer/directors.

Incorrect. 'Canon' is currently the 6 movies (original and prequel trilogies), and any products produced by Disney/Lucas from now on, which includes the likes of Tarkin, the new Star Wars book, and the CGI Clone Wars series, and Rebels.

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It doesn't include these RPGs, as the RPGs are based on the Legends (old) Expanded Universe canon/continuity.

Hmmm. Thanks for being so polite at my outdated info. All six (soon to be seven) movies I can see. Clone Wars surprises me, and Rebels pleases me.

For my own personal "canon" to be used in the campaign, I'm using most material in novels from the Rebellion era and immediately after in the EU. Basically the lifetimes of the main characters from A New Hope. I'm not using comic stories, nor anything from...oh, the New Jedi Order and beyond. Of course that's all supposed to be in the future anyway.

I'm also not allowing a lot of stuff from the prequels and Clone Wars era books, or before. At this point in the timeline, the ancient Sith/Jedi wars aren't relevant. And I will never allow a buzz droid...

The Darth Maul comics are also canon as is A New Dawn.

cannon can be subjective at this point the deeper you go outside the movies the more subjective it can be Red Harvest for example.

Came here to say the new comics are canon, but I see that was already mentioned.

There is an ongoing series following the cast from A New Hope, and there will be a Darth Vader ongoing series and a 5 issue limited series about Princess Leia. My guess is there will be other character specific limited series' after Leia ends.

Marvel has put some of their absolute best creators on these comics, so they look promising. Star Wars #1 is out and I thoughtn it was fantastic.

Simplest answer is that humongous list: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media

Which is based on the initial April 25th press release: http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

The Clone Wars had to be explicitly mentionned by the april press release because it wasn't initially produced by Disney and wasn't one of the six movies.

Oddly enough, Far Horizons has a Disney label on the back, so maybe it's "canon approved" or maybe not.

More likely indicates "Authorized Product."

It's interesting how Canon evolves (it's interesting how cannons evolve to, but that's a bit different.) Watching them talk about Rebels before it came out they made it sound like they were creating new canon, a clean break. I heard a panel where they were asked if they were going to draw from the EU, and they implied not, yet..

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Much of the shows central concepts and themes were created by an outside group. They've been "canon" so long that nobody remembers where they came from.

That's the lucky legacy of WEG. As the first company to write rpg supps for the setting years before the EU even really existed beyond some comics, kids cartoons, and only one or two (bad) novels, they were the first to have a crack at really filling out the universe in a serious way.

They got lucky in that not only were they the first, they did a decent job on most of it too, so between the two it stuck.

When the canon wipe went down the priorty for wipe was stuff that makes it harder to write new stories. So all the novels that established solidish contunuity and galaxy changing events were up on the block.

RPG supps are the opposite of that. They are chock full of raw materials that exist secifically to make writing new stories easier, but rarely say anything more then "if you need something like this, here it is to save you some time and give you some ideas."

Twi'leks existed in the OT though, so its not like they are relying on some crutch of old canon despite wiping it away.

Twi'leks existed in the OT though, so its not like they are relying on some crutch of old canon despite wiping it away.

They existed in the OT, but were never named. The name and background for them (though that background has admittedly been retconned about 5 times) came from WEG.

That's the lucky legacy of WEG. As the first company to write rpg supps for the setting years before the EU even really existed beyond some comics, kids cartoons, and only one or two (bad) novels, they were the first to have a crack at really filling out the universe in a serious way.

They got lucky in that not only were they the first, they did a decent job on most of it too, so between the two it stuck.

When the canon wipe went down the priorty for wipe was stuff that makes it harder to write new stories. So all the novels that established solidish contunuity and galaxy changing events were up on the block.

RPG supps are the opposite of that. They are chock full of raw materials that exist secifically to make writing new stories easier, but rarely say anything more then "if you need something like this, here it is to save you some time and give you some ideas."

The problem is a lot of people interpret non-canon as "False", "Non-Existent" or similar when it doesn't mean any of that. It means the stories are not unequivocally defined as true. By splitting off from the Legends universe they gave themselves the authority to overwrite things they wanted to change without worrying about fitting it into existing continuity. This doesn't make everything that came before suddenly disappear, hence my Apocrypha comment above. Not only would it be exceptionally unnecessary, it's a good way to break with your fan base.

P.S. To nitpick, Twi'lik was used in Clone Wars, which was still canon after, and therefore wouldn't be changed regardless.

P.P.S. I wouldn't say that "most" of WEGs info is decent - a lot of the weirdest and most illogical things, particularly in the starships category, come directly from WEG, or authors copying them.

RPG supps are the opposite of that. They are chock full of raw materials that exist secifically to make writing new stories easier, but rarely say anything more then "if you need something like this, here it is to save you some time and give you some ideas."

That's why I'm not hugely happy with the writing in Stay on Target, there's a lot of unnecessary EU specific-references to characters and battles thrown in the fluff sections that don't add anything.

To be fair to all those that are confused about canon in the Star Wars universe, keep in mind where the term canon originated and it totally makes sense why it is all messed up. Canon originally referred to religious canon. =)

The status of Canonicity right now feels much like the EU landscape of the mid-late eighties, where the pretense being currently written was to be consistent with each other and with the films themselves (as much as possible or as far as Lucas was willing to admit to approving of licensed works), but everything was actively avoiding the territory of the (distantly) upcoming Prequel trilogy. Timothy Zahn for example was restricted on what he could write about the Clone Wars and his idea of featuring Sith was rejected (he replaced their role with the Noghri). Nobody even knew when the wars occurred or when specifically Empire was founded, let alone write about who was involved (besides, you know, 'clones').

We're only just getting a few new novels and comics now but they're clearly avoiding anything set before or after the movies. On the other hand, judging by the content included in these books the authors are being allowed to draw upon the EU for background material (especially places and organizations). Tarkin mentions several EU planets, Imperial advisor Ars Dangor, and some of WEG's personal villains like Dark Side Adepts and COMPNOR.

I suspect the policy is as long as it won't clearly conflict with Episode VII (as far as they know or can share, anyway) the EU is fair to draw from. We won't *really* know until the movie is out (and there's a lone of dialog like "hey, remember when we *didn't* fight Thrawn or the cloned Emperor 20 years ago?") and Disney starts publishing new atlases and chronologies whether the non-conflicting EU will be wholesale lifted and pasted into Canon.