Maybe if you are playing Rebels only you might not take evades much. Personally I mostly play Imperial and I use evades all the time. PtL Interceptors (especially Soontir) take it maybe 50% of the time, and Whisper takes it near every turn...
is it time to make Evade Action Better?
Is it time to stop making topics about fixing things with the game - and play the game instead?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Some people just like to tinker with the rules.
Out of the recent terrible "fix" threads, this one might win the prize for "Least thought out and most broken idea yet".
So much nooooo even Hayden Christensen couldn't overact it badly enough to get my views across. But here's an attempt:
At one time long ago evade actions were used, now I almost never see them used. I understand it's due to the fact they are only 1 true evade, where as with Focus you could get multiples turned to evades.
So How about this?
Evade Token: Evade tokens can only be using 1 per attack, but are not removed until the end of the combat phase or due to a special ability or rule.
I think that would go along way to making some of the ships that rely on evade, much better.
Let me know what you think?
eagletsi
Nay!
Red dice are stronger than green dice, as a general rule your better off buffing your attacks using focus or TL than you are turtling up with an evade action.
A dead enemy can't shoot at you after all.
Out of the recent terrible "fix" threads, this one might win the prize for "Least thought out and most broken idea yet".
So much nooooo even Hayden Christensen couldn't overact it badly enough to get my views across. But here's an attempt:
Keep in mind most of the terrible recent threads are all from this same guy.
Keep in mind most of the terrible recent threads are all from this same guy.Out of the recent terrible "fix" threads, this one might win the prize for "Least thought out and most broken idea yet".
So much nooooo even Hayden Christensen couldn't overact it badly enough to get my views across. But here's an attempt:
Are they? I never noticed...good to know where to focus my contempt.
Maybe we should have a sub forum for people who want to change the rules, then we could have a sub forum within that for everyone who thinks they should just stop wining.
Red dice are stronger than green dice, as a general rule your better off buffing your attacks using focus or TL than you are turtling up with an evade action.
A dead enemy can't shoot at you after all.
Depends entirely on the ship and their role. Biggs? If Jan Ors Crew is anywhere on the board, he wants the Evade token over the Focus to stay on the board longer. Whisper? Every Evade token is an extra hull point for your 40-point investement. Soontir? Evade and TL will get you a focus token for maximum offense, and you may not even need to spend the Focus on the attack. Firesprays also benefit greatly from an Evade for staying alive if you know they're going to be the main target and can afford the damage loss.
As far as TL, I only ever take it when flying Decimators, R7 Astromechs, or when I'm sure the target won't get to attack back this turn. Otherwise, a Focus is almost nearly as good (roughly same effect on damage output, just can't be carried through turns if you never use it) and can still be used on defense if you don't spend it on the attack.
Evade is in general stronger and definitely more reliable defensively than focus, while focus is the generalist action. Of course taking focus is better in most cases, but evade has its place.
If you can't shoot anything you evade, if your down to one hit point and unlikely to shoot first you evade etc, but most of the time focus just offers more options.
Maybe we should have a sub forum for people who want to change the rules, then we could have a sub forum within that for everyone who thinks they should just stop wining.
But here, rules suggestions can apparently only go in the main forum. I think it's on topic.
Anyone who is annoyed can also choose not to respond. Live and let live, you know.
Thereis an alternative rules subforum on the boardgamegeek X-Wing forum. The rather petty comments at the original poster won't come up there.Maybe we should have a sub forum for people who want to change the rules, then we could have a sub forum within that for everyone who thinks they should just stop wining.
But here, rules suggestions can apparently only go in the main forum. I think it's on topic.
Anyone who is annoyed can also choose not to respond. Live and let live, you know.
Of course it is perfectly ok for people to point out how the idea put forth completely breaks the game and is likely a terrible idea. 
Why are people trying to fix something that isn't broken. Your making solutions to problems that don't exist.
Thereis an alternative rules subforum on the boardgamegeek X-Wing forum. The rather petty comments at the original poster won't come up there.Maybe we should have a sub forum for people who want to change the rules, then we could have a sub forum within that for everyone who thinks they should just stop wining.
But here, rules suggestions can apparently only go in the main forum. I think it's on topic.
Anyone who is annoyed can also choose not to respond. Live and let live, you know.
Of course it is perfectly ok for people to point out how the idea put forth completely breaks the game and is likely a terrible idea.
It most certainly is not!!!! If you don't like it you should just stay quiet and not voice that opinion!!
Thereis an alternative rules subforum on the boardgamegeek X-Wing forum. The rather petty comments at the original poster won't come up there.Maybe we should have a sub forum for people who want to change the rules, then we could have a sub forum within that for everyone who thinks they should just stop wining.
But here, rules suggestions can apparently only go in the main forum. I think it's on topic.
Anyone who is annoyed can also choose not to respond. Live and let live, you know.
Of course it is perfectly ok for people to point out how the idea put forth completely breaks the game and is likely a terrible idea.
It most certainly is not!!!! If you don't like it you should just stay quiet and not voice that opinion!!
Well, if the OP doesn't want opinions, both positive and negative, then he shouldn't post asking for opinions, which he clearly does!
Let me know what you think?
eagletsi
Thereis an alternative rules subforum on the boardgamegeek X-Wing forum. The rather petty comments at the original poster won't come up there.Maybe we should have a sub forum for people who want to change the rules, then we could have a sub forum within that for everyone who thinks they should just stop wining.
But here, rules suggestions can apparently only go in the main forum. I think it's on topic.
Anyone who is annoyed can also choose not to respond. Live and let live, you know.
Of course it is perfectly ok for people to point out how the idea put forth completely breaks the game and is likely a terrible idea.
It most certainly is not!!!! If you don't like it you should just stay quiet and not voice that opinion!!
Well, if the OP doesn't want opinions, both positive and negative, then he shouldn't post asking for opinions, which he clearly does!
Let me know what you think?
eagletsI
I was joking...not sure if that wasn't conveyed properly or if I am misreading you...was responding to the comment of "if it annoys you don't post"
Thereis an alternative rules subforum on the boardgamegeek X-Wing forum. The rather petty comments at the original poster won't come up there.Maybe we should have a sub forum for people who want to change the rules, then we could have a sub forum within that for everyone who thinks they should just stop wining.
But here, rules suggestions can apparently only go in the main forum. I think it's on topic.
Anyone who is annoyed can also choose not to respond. Live and let live, you know.
Of course it is perfectly ok for people to point out how the idea put forth completely breaks the game and is likely a terrible idea.
It most certainly is not!!!! If you don't like it you should just stay quiet and not voice that opinion!!
Well, if the OP doesn't want opinions, both positive and negative, then he shouldn't post asking for opinions, which he clearly does!
Let me know what you think?
eagletsI
I was joking...not sure if that wasn't conveyed properly or if I am misreading you...was responding to the comment of "if it annoys you don't post"
What you making a joke? That would be so out of character.
Thereis an alternative rules subforum on the boardgamegeek X-Wing forum. The rather petty comments at the original poster won't come up there.Maybe we should have a sub forum for people who want to change the rules, then we could have a sub forum within that for everyone who thinks they should just stop wining.
But here, rules suggestions can apparently only go in the main forum. I think it's on topic.
Anyone who is annoyed can also choose not to respond. Live and let live, you know.
Do you have posters repeatedly making rules suggestions that make no sense balance wise, and are clearly aimed at just buffing his favorite ships/tactics? Because eagletsi111 does. I'm all in favor of rules suggestions and potential fixes being discussed on these forums with an open mind. I've even gotten into some heated "discussions" with other posters on whether we were doing more good than harm. But then there's the insanity that the OP keeps throwing onto the forums, and its frankly unbelievable. You must have missed the post the other week where he suggested that the defender needed a 1-2 pts modification that switched its red hard turns into greens. Total wtf-ery.
Evade is already plenty strong.
Turning Evade into Reinforce would make it nuts.
IF an improvement needs to be made to Evade tokens, note the big IF, I'd say it should not be discarded in the End step but allow it to be carried forward just like TL tokens are. Of course if that were allowed then I would also state that a ship can not have more than one Evade token at any time just like a ship can't have more than one ship TLed at a given time. What would this mean? It would mean an ship with the Evade action is likely to enter the fray with one "free" Evade token waiting allowing it to be recharged when something else isn't needed. Considering that can be done out of range it is pretty strong and you'd see a lot of Focus tokens used for Defense backed up by that Evade token with that entire thing being much easier to set up than the TL/Focus attack combo.
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Do you have posters repeatedly making rules suggestions that make no sense balance wise, and are clearly aimed at just buffing his favorite ships/tactics? Because eagletsi111 does.
I totally believe you, but just wanted to point out that you don't *have* to respond. Which should not be taken as trying to forbid you anything - dear me, no!
The only clear advice I'd have is the same as before. Houserules etc. do not provoke vitriol on the appropriate boardgamegeek forum. Perhaps eagletsi's stuff finds a better audience there. So that's not for you.
Evades are fine, people don't use them because it's too hard for some people to figure out when to Focus and when to evade. An evade is for keeping an almost dead ship alive longer so it can keep shooting. An evade is statistically much better than a Focus when defending, even though Focus has a higher ceiling, that ceiling is very unlikely to be reached, while Evade has a much higher floor, which significantly lowers variance and takes power away from the dice. A focus has a 75% chance of adding an evade result to your dice if you have 3 agility, and 50% chance of adding 2 evades. An evade has a 100% chance of adding an evade to your dice result, no matter how cursed your green dice are. If surviving the next attack means the difference between rolling X dice attack dice and rolling 0 attack dice, then evade is the correct choice.
And do you realize how broken Fat Han would be if Evades got a buff? That is considered one of the pillars of the competitive metagame, and all that ship does every turn is evade! Corran Horn would also be extremely broken if evade worked like that, with PTL and FCS he'd have a focus and TL for his two attacks, plus an evade every turn and a regenerated shield every turn.
Without reading any other response, here is my opinion: This is not needed.
The point of focus VS. Evade is the risk VS. reward aspect of the various actions. This is a staple of game design and fits very well into this game:
You can either get one guaranteed evade against one damage......or you can get a focus which means you HAVE to roll a focus result, but you have the 'chance' but no guarantee of rolling 1+ evades, this way you can get MORE evades, but its riskier to go for it.
Making the evade stay would vastly change up the game meta. Falcons, A-Wings and any Empire ship would be nigh untouchable.