trying to decide how many of the Scum Most wanted packs I'd like to pick up. If I have the Ship and Dial for the Firespray from the Empire can I use it instead of having to buy a second or third pack?

no in tourneys. yes at home if your friends aren't asses.

I'm guessing you mean if you have more of a given ship then there are dials in the Most Wanted pack...

The answer is officially no, you have to use the correct faction dial. So you can't use the Imperial Firespray dial with the S&V Firespray.

But is really only true if you are either playing an official sanctioned event like store championship, regional, gencon, ect... Or if who ever you're playing with insists that you use the correct dial, which seems at least somewhat unlikely to me.

People cited the rules, but the reality is that it depends on who you play with. No reasonable person will have any issue with using a Firespray dial for a Firespray as FFG's rules that are designed only to preserve profits have no real impact on players.

With regard to tournaments, including store championships, it is up to the TO (who is very likely to not want to be bothered with people complaining about dials that are not yellow). People , for whatever reason, get more dogmatic as the perceived prestige of an event increases, so expect to use Scum dials for Scunthorpe ships at any higher level events that you will be participating in.

as FFG's rules that are designed only to preserve profits

There's a bit more behind it than that. There's also aesthetic (a scum player with all scum dials looks better than a mishmash), avoiding confusing new players (mixed dials implies faction mixing) and simplicity (with the dial rule MW comes with the components for two Zs, two Y-wings, a HWK and a Firespray. Without the dial rule you run into a mental quagmire of component limitations I couldn't even begin to attempt to decipher.)

No reasonable person...

I love it when people make blanket statements like this, because apparently Rapture gets to decide what is or is not a reasonable person. Apparently the mere possibility of someone having a reason for wanting someone to use the S&V dials is beyond the realms of reason...

Thank you so much for educating us all and correcting our fawled and unreasonable opinions.

Or maybe, just maybe people could not assume that someone has no good reason whatsoever for having a different opinion than them... Reasons like the ones that TIE Pilot lists above.

as FFG's rules that are designed only to preserve profits

There's a bit morue behind it than that. There's also aesthetic (a scum player with all scum dials looks better than a mishmash), avoiding confusing new players (mixed dials implies faction mixing) and simplicity (with the dial rule MW comes with the components for two Zs, two Y-wings, a HWK and a Firespray. Without the dial rule you run into a mental quagmire of component limitations I couldn't even begin to attempt to decipher.)

Not true. You can color you dials with magic markers if you choose to do so.

No you really can't. You can make a mark on your dial so you know it's your, but if you were to paint over the face of it, you are subject to the TO not letting you use that dial at all.

Bottom line is, that regardless of why FFG made the rule, the rule is the rule. You are free to ignore it as you wish when you have the authority to do so. But any event you no longer have that authority and are subject to whatever the TO decides.

People cited the rules, but the reality is that it depends on who you play with. No reasonable person will have any issue with using a Firespray dial for a Firespray as FFG's rules that are designed only to preserve profits have no real impact on players.

With regard to tournaments, including store championships, it is up to the TO (who is very likely to not want to be bothered with people complaining about dials that are not yellow). People , for whatever reason, get more dogmatic as the perceived prestige of an event increases, so expect to use Scum dials for Scunthorpe ships at any higher level events that you will be participating in.

Autocorrect getcha there? I was sitting here trying to figure out what Scunny has to do with using the wrong dials in X-Wing =P

No reasonable person will have any issue with using a Firespray dial for a Firespray as FFG's rules that are designed only to preserve profits have no real impact on players.

Just because the current cross faction ships have the same maneuvers on both of their dials doesn't mean that this will always be true in the future. By making the ruling that they did FFG is free to release a ship that has a different dial depending on the faction that is using it without needing to maintain a list of which dials are kosher to use cross faction and which aren't.

No reasonable person will have any issue with using a Firespray dial for a Firespray as FFG's rules that are designed only to preserve profits have no real impact on players.

I think a more accurate statement would be "Anyone you play with that lets you proxy upgrade cards probably won't have a problem with you using the wrong faction's dial".

Not true. You can color you dials with magic markers if you choose to do so.

No you really can't. You can make a mark on your dial so you know it's your, but if you were to paint over the face of it, you are subject to the TO not letting you use that dial at all.

I am not an expert on the rules, but it appears that you can do whatever you want to your dials provided that they only show your selected maneuver when you flip them over:

"Cards must remain unaltered, though they may be sleeved for protection. Sleeves for damage cards must be identical and unaltered. Players may mark their tokens and their maneuver dials to indicate ownership as long as the function of the components is not compromised. However, players should be careful not to mark the backs of their maneuver dials in an asymmetrical way, or in a way that may indicate to their opponents what maneuvers they have selected!"

What rules am I missing?

as FFG's rules that are designed only to preserve profits

There's a bit morue behind it than that. There's also aesthetic (a scum player with all scum dials looks better than a mishmash), avoiding confusing new players (mixed dials implies faction mixing) and simplicity (with the dial rule MW comes with the components for two Zs, two Y-wings, a HWK and a Firespray. Without the dial rule you run into a mental quagmire of component limitations I couldn't even begin to attempt to decipher.)

Not true. You can color you dials with magic markers if you choose to do so. We can color our Imperial dials red (even just every other dial) or even make a set of dials where each is a different color. FFG doesn't care about dial aesthetics and there is no credible threat of confusion (there is no anarchy when two Imperial fleets face off).

Was referring to spectator confusion, in case that wasn't clear. Seeing a fleet with a mishmash of dials and assuming it's all three factions mixed together. Not likely, but not an unreasonable assumption either.

It's completely possible that they do care about dial aesthetics, that they want everything a Scum player is running to be that dull yellow (baseplates and dials), want the Imperials to have blue dials and green baseplate lines and the Rebels to be red and red.

Yes, you could mark your dials completely so that nobody could tell it was actually an Imperial Firespray dial rather than a Scum one, and then nobody would be able to tell. If you did you could probably get away with using it as a Scum one too, who'd know?

The majority won't though. Marking usually means a notch on the face or a coloured sticker on the back.

I'm with you in that in a casual game, if someone refuses to let you fly your other Firespray unless you buy a second Most Wanted then a case could be made for them being unreasonable, but casual gives you an easy option: not playing them. If they're going to be like that they can go find someone else to play with.

What rules am I missing?

This one...

"The TO is the final authority on any component’s eligibility in the tournament."

If I were playing a casual game at home or the LGS and someone used the wrong faction dial, I doubt I'd say anything about it.

But if I were running an event, it's very likely I'd enforce the correct faction dial rule for the same reason I'd enforce a no proxie rule in general. Because that's really what you're talking about, a proxie.

If someone brought in a dial that was covered to the point that I couldn't tell what faction it was, I wouldn't let them use it period, because in that case they clearly are trying to hide something.

Just because the current cross faction ships have the same maneuvers on both of their dials ...

Do we have confirmation of that? The dials probably are identical. But can we tell for certain?

Do we have confirmation of that?

I believe it's been stated that yes they are, but I couldn't provide a link.

If someone brought in a dial that was covered to the point that I couldn't tell what faction it was, I wouldn't let them use it period, because in that case they clearly are trying to hide something.

Rediculous

What rules am I missing?

This one..."The TO is the final authority on any component’s eligibility in the tournament."If I were playing a casual game at home or the LGS and someone used the wrong faction dial, I doubt I'd say anything about it.But if I were running an event, it's very likely I'd enforce the correct faction dial rule for the same reason I'd enforce a no proxie rule in general. Because that's really what you're talking about, a proxie.If someone brought in a dial that was covered to the point that I couldn't tell what faction it was, I wouldn't let them use it period, because in that case they clearly are trying to hide something.

I was talking about coloring dials, which is exactly what I said and what you quoted when you responded.

What is the point of discussing it if you are going to be disingenuous?

This is basically the exact same argument that has been going on for weeks about customized ships so I expect a lot of the same people to make exactly the same points here. I am very curious about how this will work out in the real world. I cannot imagine too many TO's throwing out DQ's for this reason any more than horizontal B-wings.

Rediculous

Why? Clearly they're trying to hide something. Who knows if it's even the correct dial for that ship.

That is silly.

I see so since you can't actually refute anything you're going to throw strawmen out there... The rules are quite simple and clear. The TO has the final say on any kind of component modification. If you paint over the face of your dial, then the TO has every right to tell you, that you can't use it.

You have no inherent right to mark up the dial however you wish, and expect it to be accepted at an event.

You are expecting to be able to proxie things at a tournament, and the TO may or may not allow such a thing. I fail to see how this is a confusing statement.

I cannot imagine too many TO's throwing out DQ's for this reason any more than horizontal B-wings.

The difference is one is acceptable under the rules, the other isn't.

Rediculous

Why? Clearly they're trying to hide something. Who knows if it's even the correct dial for that ship.

That can be said of any dial. I believe someone has been caught mixing dials before. Face plate of one back of an other of the same faction.

If someone wants to make an art project out of their dials that should be fine. even in my area people have personalized their dials in the same way, which kinda defeats the purpose. iirc: same color highlight around the rim.

Rediculous

Why? Clearly they're trying to hide something. Who knows if it's even the correct dial for that ship.

You know. Because you can see the maneuvers.

But I agree. People who like different colors are obviously deceptive. I have a neneighbor with a yellow car. Why yellow instead of silver or black? Because he is a Nazi or a communist or an alien - or something worse!

If someone wants to make an art project out of their dials that should be fine.

It all depends on the TO, and what the person did. If someone came into a tournament and had every dial 100% covered in matt black paint, so there's no way of telling what dial is what, I bet there isn't a TO out there that would accept them.

If a TO has decided that he or she is going to enforce the faction dial rule, do you honestly think they'll accept a dial that they can't tell the faction of? Do you think anyone who can put on an event is so stupid to be fooled by that?

You know. Because you can see the maneuvers.

Yes you can see one maneuver at a time... So unless they pick one that you happen to know that ship doesn't have, then how exactly are you supposed to know if that's the correct dial or not?

Please tell me you have something more to contribute to this then your increasingly pathetic strawmen...