Crit or not Crit?

By TheDarkPilot, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Problem i cant solve... need advice! :)

So I ran into an interesting scenario this evening, and I am looking for some input (I'm not bothered by the outcome, just curious due to the fact that I had never seen this).

Tie Advanced launches Ion Pulse Missiles at Biggs, and rolls 1hit, 1crit. Biggs evade roll comes up all blank. But wait, Biggs has an evade token. So that leaves the crit to deal with.

Wouldn't you know, Lando was at range 1 with Draw their fire.

How would this resolve?

A) Lando takes the crit, but it immediately turns into a hit +2 ion tokens.

B) Nothing happens, because the defender (Biggs) was never hit.

C) Both ships explode because this is the equivalent to dividing by zero.

Additional info:

"Ion Pulse Missiles":

If this attack hits, the defender suffers 1 damage and receives 2 ion tokens. Then cancel ALL dice results.

Thanks

Biggs is hit, or else DtF wouldn't trigger. The crit disappears and Biggs takes a single damage and two ion tokens.

Look up the definition of "hit" on page 12 of the rulebook in the compare results step.

If there are uncancelled boom or kaboom results after the defender (Biggs, in this case) rolls defense dice then the attack "hits". Doesn't matter what ship those results are assigned to, if there are uncancelled results then the attack has hit. According to the ion rules, if the attack hits (ie if there are uncancelled results) then the defender (which is still biggs, DTF doesn't change who the defender is) takes 1 damage and 2 ion tokens and then all dice are cancelled, doesn't matter what ship those dice are assigned to the ion effect cancels them.

Net result, Biggs takes a damage and 2 ions and DTF does nothing.

Edited by Forgottenlore

Problem i cant solve... need advice! :)

So I ran into an interesting scenario this evening, and I am looking for some input (I'm not bothered by the outcome, just curious due to the fact that I had never seen this).

Tie Advanced launches Ion Pulse Missiles at Biggs, and rolls 1hit, 1crit. Biggs evade roll comes up all blank. But wait, Biggs has an evade token. So that leaves the crit to deal with.

Wouldn't you know, Lando was at range 1 with Draw their fire.

How would this resolve?

A) Lando takes the crit, but it immediately turns into a hit +2 ion tokens.

B) Nothing happens, because the defender (Biggs) was never hit.

C) Both ships explode because this is the equivalent to dividing by zero.

Additional info:

"Ion Pulse Missiles":

If this attack hits, the defender suffers 1 damage and receives 2 ion tokens. Then cancel ALL dice results.

Thanks

To elaborate on what Levi said - as soon as you're done cancelling dice with evade results, if there are any [blam] or [kaboom] results remaining the defender is considered "hit". As soon as that happens the ion cannon cancels all dice results and deals a damage to the defender. DtF cannot take the uncancelled [kaboom] because it was cancelled by the ion cannon's effect.

edit: ^I'm with :ph34r:

Edited by Cptnhalfbeard

To put a further wrinkle on it...

Lets say you could use DTF to pull the <crit> off. In theory you can, because there's still uncanceled dice left after you establish if someone is hit or not.

At this point, both the Ion and the DTF have the same trigger so in theory you could use DTF depending on who has init...

However, even if that were true, it won't stop the Ion effect from going off, because the defender is still in a state of being Hit. What happens to the uncanceled dice doesn't matter in the least.

So you have two possible outcomes, one that does nothing, and one which makes things worse...

1) Biggs takes 1 damage gets the ion token(s) and all dice are canceled.

2) Biggs takes 1 damage gets the ion token(s) and the uncanceled <crit> resolves causing the ship with DtF to suffer it's results.

Case 1 is the same whether you can use DTF or not, but case 2 is actually worse for the defending player so a really, really bad choice if it were the way things work.

At this point, both the Ion and the DTF have the same trigger so in theory you could use DTF depending on who has init...

Not only in theory. DTF and ion resolve in order of initiative.

1) Biggs takes 1 damage gets the ion token(s) and all dice are canceled.

2) Biggs takes 1 damage gets the ion token(s) and the uncanceled <crit> resolves causing the ship with DtF to suffer it's results.

I don't think option 2 can happen. It's always option 1.

DTF and ion both resolve at the end of the compare results step. The White-Attack01.png deals damage during the deal damage step. Ion cancels all dice, including the White-Attack01.png, before the start of the deal damage step.

But... DTF says as part of the text of the card, that you suffer the uncanceled <crit> result. Which could mean that DTF causes it to be resolved before the normal deal damage step.

I wouldn't argue strongly for that reading of it mind you. Just that it could be argued that way. It's a completely academic argument because no one should ever want to do that, barring some upgrade that makes getting a <crit> somehow a good thing...