That bent nose on the front is what killed it for me, looks like it was based on a protope that was mishandled.
Imperial Raider .. Why?
If I might chime in, while, the new vessel is always welcome, I partially agree that they EASILY had a nice simple already designed vessel to be the rival of the Tantive IV. And Honestly, I would have threw money at my screen till I got it.
Meet the Victory II, made popular in the Battlefront II games...well, maybe popular isnt exactly a word I would use, but non the less, the vessel basically provided the EXACT same roll as an escort frigate / light cruiser that the CR-90 provided in game.
And Honestly, I like it's shape a lot more too.
While in game it only had 3 or 4 turrets on it, I think between Lucas Arts and FFG they could have turned it into a great addition to the game.
Other runner up choices I thought of are.....
Tartan Patrol Cruiser (From RTS Game Empire At War, the empire's direct answer to the CR-90)
and last on my runner up....
the IPV-1 Patrol Craft (Also from Empire At War, built at Neutral Shipyards, same roll as the CR-90, though, a bit lighter in build and power, and yes, its lore does say it was part of the Outer Rim Fleets of the Imperial Navy.)
To me is not a problem of it being a new design or the name, is that the design they have done feels incredibly out of scale.
Imagine the Star Destroyer. Now imagine the Raider fitting inside the docking bay (like the Tantive IV does). That looks weird.
Not really. I can picture an ISD surrounded by a small fleet of Raiders and it's a good picture.
Meet the Victory II, made popular in the Battlefront II games...well, maybe popular isnt exactly a word I would use, but non the less, the vessel basically provided the EXACT same roll as an escort frigate / light cruiser that the CR-90 provided in game.
And Honestly, I like it's shape a lot more too.
Battlefront II used the CR-90, Acclamator Assault Ship, Munificent Frigate, Rebel Transport and that Imperial Frigate there they designed for the game all for the same role. Vanilla Battlefront II is as non-representative of canon in favour of game mechanics as they get. It only appears in SWBFII (it wasn't "made popular" by it), its size is unknown and it's a kinda bland design TBH. It's as likely to be an Acclamator analogue as a CR-90 analogue.
To the OP's initial Why question:
Because the Raider is a thing of beauty, and anybody would be crazy not to jump at a chance to design something in partnership with LFL that'll become an official part of the SW universe.
There may have been functional alternatives, but most are either ugly or too big, and besides, it doesn't matter if alternatives exist when LFL says you can design a new SW ship. You simply forget all other options and design the ship.
When I said made popular, i was being partially sarcastic, but that said, the ship garnered enough popularity to be recreated, and added in quite a few Empire At War Mods.
The bland design also i feel was shared by the VT-49 in Star Wars Galaxies. I honestly didnt like the ship till i saw it as a full featured model, with nice panel lines, a decent paint job and more detailing done to it. Otherwise, it just feels a bit flat like the battlefront models.
If you set up the Victory II with the same level of attention they ended up slaping onto the VT-49, you would find yourself with another great detailed ship I think.
If you set up the Victory II with the same level of attention they ended up slaping onto the VT-49, you would find yourself with another great detailed ship I think.
And the Z-95, for that matter.
The problem with using the Victory Frigate is that it's a frigate. It's in the Acclamator/Nebulon ballpark, not the corvette ballpark.
added in quite a few Empire At War Mods.
I personally quite like the ship but never managed to find an EaW model for it. Could you direct me to any of these mods?
Edited by TIE PilotVictory II was features here...... http://www.moddb.com/mods/eras-of-the-mercenaries/images/victory-ii-frigate
The Victory Frigate looks almost great (to my taste), but I think those wings are too wide for it to be great on the table. Eyeballing it from the picture above, it seems roughly as wide across as it is long. That's a surmountable problem, but it would be a problem.
I think the Raider neatly overcomes a lot of the issues FF faced.
Well, except that it isn't the ship _I_ was hoping for. At this point, I think I'm gonna have to decide if I want the specific ship enough to have it built.
But I'm getting the Raider. No question about that!
When I said made popular, i was being partially sarcastic, but that said, the ship garnered enough popularity to be recreated, and added in quite a few Empire At War Mods.
The bland design also i feel was shared by the VT-49 in Star Wars Galaxies. I honestly didnt like the ship till i saw it as a full featured model, with nice panel lines, a decent paint job and more detailing done to it. Otherwise, it just feels a bit flat like the battlefront models.
If you set up the Victory II with the same level of attention they ended up slaping onto the VT-49, you would find yourself with another great detailed ship I think.
There were pretty detailed pictures of the Decimator on the net where it looked awesome way before it came out.
For all i know, i was probably the first person on this forum (or at least i had not seen anyone before) to propose the VT-49 as a YT-1300 counter during Wave 2 in some speculation threads (and turret-whine-threads that existed even then xd)
Also the VT was and is a superb design. It screams Empire and looks sleek and dangerous, just cool!
Victory II was features here...... http://www.moddb.com/mods/eras-of-the-mercenaries/images/victory-ii-frigate
I could understand the Tartan if they brought it, but this thing looks like a flattened HWK in big, and there is no information about its size. Besides that i find it super ugly, but that may be just me...
If I might chime in, while, the new vessel is always welcome, I partially agree that they EASILY had a nice simple already designed vessel to be the rival of the Tantive IV. And Honestly, I would have threw money at my screen till I got it.
Meet the Victory II, made popular in the Battlefront II games...well, maybe popular isnt exactly a word I would use, but non the less, the vessel basically provided the EXACT same roll as an escort frigate / light cruiser that the CR-90 provided in game.
And Honestly, I like it's shape a lot more too.
While in game it only had 3 or 4 turrets on it, I think between Lucas Arts and FFG they could have turned it into a great addition to the game.
Other runner up choices I thought of are.....
Tartan Patrol Cruiser (From RTS Game Empire At War, the empire's direct answer to the CR-90)
and last on my runner up....
the IPV-1 Patrol Craft (Also from Empire At War, built at Neutral Shipyards, same roll as the CR-90, though, a bit lighter in build and power, and yes, its lore does say it was part of the Outer Rim Fleets of the Imperial Navy.)
I don't care where they're from or what SW licensed game you fell in love with that featured those, they are flat out stupid looking. I seriously hope FFG never makes those ships as they are quintessential to nothing and represent really bad design.
That might sound inflammatory, but someone had to say it. I apologize if it hurt your feelings but I desperately hope FFG does not make those ships. EVAR.
I was hoping for the Vic-II and one of the ones who talked about in the speculation threads. I still kind of want one in all fairness. It has this very stocky, utilitarian design that says Imperial to me. But from the game design standpoint it just had issues with model size and shape.
And we all knew that in those speculations, we knew we were hoping against a new hope. But looking at the Raider next to it you see a lot of influence on the design, particularly in those infamous wings. (And I love the wings on both in all seriousness.) I would consider it really cool to know that the Vic-II was a predecessor or even full production prototype for the Raiders design in the lore for the ship.
If I might chime in, while, the new vessel is always welcome, I partially agree that they EASILY had a nice simple already designed vessel to be the rival of the Tantive IV. And Honestly, I would have threw money at my screen till I got it.
Meet the Victory II, made popular in the Battlefront II games...well, maybe popular isnt exactly a word I would use, but non the less, the vessel basically provided the EXACT same roll as an escort frigate / light cruiser that the CR-90 provided in game.
And Honestly, I like it's shape a lot more too.
While in game it only had 3 or 4 turrets on it, I think between Lucas Arts and FFG they could have turned it into a great addition to the game.
Other runner up choices I thought of are.....
Tartan Patrol Cruiser (From RTS Game Empire At War, the empire's direct answer to the CR-90)
and last on my runner up....
the IPV-1 Patrol Craft (Also from Empire At War, built at Neutral Shipyards, same roll as the CR-90, though, a bit lighter in build and power, and yes, its lore does say it was part of the Outer Rim Fleets of the Imperial Navy.)
I brought up the V-II and IPV a few times as well. The V-II was BF2's direct answer to the CR-90 just like the Tartan in EAW.
Still, I was also probably the first one to posit FFG coming up with their own design, and that was my preferred option, so I am happy with how this turned out.
Again for those of you claiming Disney has axed EU, I think that is not at all accurate.
The new films are, what, 34 ABY? That overwrites the Vong.
No more Vong.
Also pretty sure they confirmed TFU's not canon any more.
I agree with you on both points, and I'm personally grateful for No More Vong. Still it isn't impossible for existing EU to make its way into canon—it's already happened. Disney hasn't really axed anything. It's the difference between moving files to a Recycle Bin or permanently deleting them.
Let me be clear, I expect most of the EU to be ignored going forward, and I'm okay with that. The point I'm trying to make is people act like Disney went and actively erased every non-canon thing. But the reality is they simply made a statement to dissolve any obligation to it. Nothing more, nothing less.
In the Tarkin novel- which is canon- there is mention of an intelligence director Issard. So we can guess that he has a daughter Yssane, and hope to read the story of her patricide.
Well i am pretty grateful that the Vong are most probably gone. I always could imagine all the rest of the EU stories happen, but that part never fit into the Star Wars universe. I still hope for a Return of Ysard and the Thrawn stories. But hey why not this all happened just after Endor while in the movies 30 years have passed!
The EU is in a Schrodinger's Cat situation. It is both canon and not-canon at the same time until something new either confirms or contradicts the old EU.
Also:
....and while we're at it:
Raider was more epic then 'Twix'
The classic Cylon Raider also was far more epic then the new ones ...
So there will be an EPIC RAIDER in X-Wing. And thats a good thing, too.
Edited by TheRealStarkillerAnd thats a good thing
Oh god....Martha Stewert! WHY! OH GOD OH GOD, I KNEW SHE WAS A SITH! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Sorry....couldnt resist, especially after reading that line in her annoying voice automaticlly
I had Gandalf in mind ... but maybe this got lost in translation ...
And a good thing, too.
For several reasons I've never been fond (just don't like the looks at all) of the Tartan or Lancer class ships.
The VT-49 and the Raider however seems to me, IMHO, to look Imperial/Star Wars.
But then again I think the Defender looks like a predator/killer too.
But that's me.
But then again I think the Defender looks like a predator/killer too.
That explains why the Defender is the only ship that comes with Predator.
The EU is in a Schrodinger's Cat situation.
That's a great way to put it. But a lot of it will no longer be in that state once Eps 7 comes out, IMO at least.
If we have movies take place in 34 ABY then a lot of things that happened in the EU will be either mentioned or more likely will become non-canon by omission.
A number of small things may not, but if there is no mention of the Emperor and his many clones in the movie, then it's fair to say that he was well and truly killed at Endor, and pretty much any story that involved him heavily will become non-canon.
The EU is in a Schrodinger's Cat situation. It is both canon and not-canon at the same time until something new either confirms or contradicts the old EU.
But that was always the case. In the Thrawn trilogy the clone masters attacked the Old Republic. Then the prequels came out and they had to jump through hoops to make the EU conform to the canon again, with different cloning techniques and stuff like that.
As a EAW player I really expected to see Tartan class patrol boat which is nearly identical to Tantive.