Imperial Raider .. Why?

By Slash Macbain, in X-Wing

Is it good the Imperials get to have some fun with a Huge ship .... Yes

Have they been waiting long enough after Tantive & Transport .... Yes

Is it cool it Kinda looks like a Star Destoyer ... Yes of course

So just curious .. why design a whole new ship unseen and unsed in core or expanded universe, when you could just use the Imperial Interdictor vessel that is already established?

Much smaller than a SD .... its Mass Generators could have affected Movement of vessels etc.

just seems a lot of effort when a ship already fits what was needed?

Because an Interdictor is about 1600 meters.

So no, it doesn't fit, not by a long shot.

Why second guess Fantasy Flight in conjunction with Lucasfilm?

FFG probably wanted a warship. The Interdictor is a support ship.

Even the Immobilizer cruiser is still too large at 600 meters.

The Interdictor is still quite a large ship. SW purists might think it would have too many hull points to kill within the context of the XWing mini game's scale.

They needed a ship small enough to fit.

Edited by Pygon

The Interdictor (and the Vindicator it's built on the hull of) is four times the length of the CR-90.

“The impetus behind the Raider-class corvette came from a desire to produce an Imperial ship for X-Wing that was comparable in size and role to the Rebel corvette.

“Before we even announced the Tantive IV™ Expansion Pack, we knew Imperial players would need a comparable ship to lead their fleets in the game’s Epic Play battles. But none of the ships within the established IP and extended universe quite fit the bill. As we looked at ships that were larger than the VT-49 Decimator, the next possibility was the Lancer-class frigate at 250m; however, that was larger than we wanted for the scope of the game. Moreover, it didn’t quite fit the desired role, so we worked with Lucasfilm Ltd. and drew upon existing materials to create a new starship that fit seamlessly into the aesthetics and background of the Star Wars universe.

“The result was a cross between a Star Destroyer and a single-pilot fighter, something fast and aggressive."

From the announcement article.

Eh, they're already playing with he scale, a Nebulon B/2 would have worked. Personally I lil the raider better, but to say there were NO other options isn't exactly right either.

Because an Interdictor is about 1600 meters.

So no, it doesn't fit, not by a long shot.

Why second guess Fantasy Flight in conjunction with Lucasfilm?

No??

the Interdictor Star Destoryer is 1600m .. the Interdictor Crusier is only 600m .. going further down you also already have a Carrack Light Frigate at 350m ... and then at 250m the Lancer Class Frigate (specifcally designed to go up against starfigthers!)

Also all three of these vessels have already been used by Lucasarts / Lucasfilms in their PC game back in the 90's .. Star Wars Supremacy .. or Rebellion as i think it was called in the states.

So I am not second guessing .. what i was doing was asking why don't they use the ships They themselves have already created in the past?

there are a few other ship possibilities as well that already exist, but those are are probably the 3 best known vessels

And i do find it odd that on another forum when i suggested more expanded universe ships, the Howls of anger and protest went up .. but when a ship is created 100% completely from scratch .. no one says a thing :huh:

If a company is offered the chance to add their own little piece to the star wars universe, why would they NOT take that chance?

Because an Interdictor is about 1600 meters.

So no, it doesn't fit, not by a long shot.

Why second guess Fantasy Flight in conjunction with Lucasfilm?

No??

the Interdictor Star Destoryer is 1600m .. the Interdictor Crusier is only 600m .. going further down you also already have a Carrack Light Frigate at 350m ... and then at 250m the Lancer Class Frigate (specifcally designed to go up against starfigthers!)

Also all three of these vessels have already been used by Lucasarts / Lucasfilms in their PC game back in the 90's .. Star Wars Supremacy .. or Rebellion as i think it was called in the states.

So I am not second guessing .. what i was doing was asking why don't they use the ships They themselves have already created in the past?

there are a few other ship possibilities as well that already exist, but those are are probably the 3 best known vessels

And i do find it odd that on another forum when i suggested more expanded universe ships, the Howls of anger and protest went up .. but when a ship is created 100% completely from scratch .. no one says a thing :huh:

Edited by WWHSD

I believe the developers said in the Raider preview article that even the Lancer - at 250m - was too big for the size they wanted for the game.

So if the Lancer is too big at 250m long, then the Immobiliser 418 Cruiser is definitely out of the question at 600m long. Hell, it's 300m wide at it's widest point - that's twice as wide as the CR90 is long.

Edited by FTS Gecko

god lord . :D

I never knew being curious brings so much trouble .. i never intend to post anything on these forums to start huge arguments, but asking such simply questions does seem to??

like i said there are 3 of the better known ships .. do i really have to hunt on Wookieepedia?

well ok .. a few more :P

Imperial Light Custom Corvette 180m, ADZ-Class patrol destoryer 150m, IPV-1 System Patrol craft 120m, Mesen corp. Scout craft 75m, .... Vibre Class Assault Cruiser 100m (Granted that is New Republic era)

My point is only that there are existing ships ... i was just curious why they were not used that was all :)

So...how dare FFG, with the assistance of LFL no less, create something new for the company's best selling game to date?

Players wanted an Imperial epic. There is likely only ever going to be the 1 epic ship + 1 support. A huge amount of people replying in the like 80 page thread asking for one wanted you to know it was Imperial when it was put on the table by being the wedge shape. Nothing really fit that in the size they were looking at.

Seems like there won't be any larger ships in this game.

No Nebulon-B as well ...

Because they, and many of their players, wanted the classic wedge-shaped Imperial ship.

OMG??? :huh:

So Much Anger for a simple question? .. Star Wars right? .. Anger leads to the Dark Side right? :D

OK .. as I stated above when I suggested months ago on another X-wing forum.. the idea of More expanded universe ships .... maybe even a more Factions ... such as a fringe element ..... I was Shouted down "NO..NO .. this game must be kept Pure how dare you suggest expanded universe how dare you suggest more factions."

Well Guess what 3rd Fringe Faction is here .... guess what a Raider is even beyond expanded Universe

So I am NOT SAYING they can't create 100% new ships

I am mearly asking the question when did everyone change their thinking on this game?

coz that is what seems to have happened as i am now being shouted down for suggesting existing ships

oh how times change??

maybe I will get to see the Yuzhan Vong after all?

There's no anger here. If anything, this should tell you that FFG listens to their player base. Players wanted the Imperial wedge and what FFG saw didn't fit what they were looking for so stepped up with LFL to give players something new.

god lord . :D

I never knew being curious brings so much trouble .. i never intend to post anything on these forums to start huge arguments, but asking such simply questions does seem to??

like i said there are 3 of the better known ships .. do i really have to hunt on Wookieepedia?

well ok .. a few more :P

Imperial Light Custom Corvette 180m, ADZ-Class patrol destoryer 150m, IPV-1 System Patrol craft 120m, Mesen corp. Scout craft 75m, .... Vibre Class Assault Cruiser 100m (Granted that is New Republic era)

My point is only that there are existing ships ... i was just curious why they were not used that was all :)

Your definition of "better known" is weird. I know as much about those ships as I do about the Raider. To many people, obscure ships may as well be made up by FFG. As for your picks...

Light Corvette: Doesn't have the wedge shape. Add in the really weird horse shoe design, not exactly appealing.

IPV-1: Again, doesn't have the iconic wedge shape. And the tear drop design doesn't look good.

Vibre Assault Cruiser: Closer to the look they were going for, sure. But again, so obscure why not go for what they really want.

Scout Craft: It doesn't look bad, but again, it doesn't have that Imperial look. If it weren't for the Gozanti, I wouldn't mind it as the Imperial's second Epic ship.

Um, i never thought a 3rd faction was a problem.

And a few of the smaller ships you mentioned that they could have used are freaking ugly. Like the IPV (if i remember right) doesnt that one look like a flying pimple?

You can also see the Raider as the first ship in the new Expanded Universe, after the old Expanded Universe got Legend status from Disney ;-)

Edited by MrkvChain

ewwwwww Disney ..... dont get me started

Please JJ keep my hopes alive

No Nebulon-B as well ...

Not from FFG, maybe ;)

OMG??? :huh:

So Much Anger for a simple question? .. Star Wars right? .. Anger leads to the Dark Side right? :D

I also am not seeing any anger here - just posters answering your question...

Edited by FTS Gecko

Um, i never thought a 3rd faction was a problem.

And a few of the smaller ships you mentioned that they could have used are freaking ugly. Like the IPV (if i remember right) doesnt that one look like a flying pimple?

well trust me, there seemed a hell of a lot of people against the idea when i suggested it (hey maybe it's me FFG listen to and decided it was a good idea? haha)

oh i never said they were the best looking ships out there

but then even as a huge star wars fan i don't get this obession with "It has to be a Wedge" if its imperial ... and Yes I am sure that is going to create another huge big debate .. i am already wished i hadn't bothered to reply :D

Why FFG shouldn't expand the EU when so many others did it?

Why the imperial epic ship should then get any other form then the wedge?