so I went up against a decimator phantom list and got completely trashed, ive never seen so many blank greens for me and crits against me before!

the only lists ive seen or had luck with against is the same or swarms

so what are ppl running to counter all of these high health turreted menaces?

so I went up against a decimator phantom list and got completely trashed, ive never seen so many blank greens for me and crits against me before!

Sounds like you need new dice!

In all seriousness though... If you can't beat 'em join 'em! Decimator/Phantom, Decimator/Firespray or "something, something, mini-swarm" would be my suggestion.

High stress delivering builds seem to work well. Not only do they disable phantom's ability to cloak, a lot of these super/fat lists rely on PTL or EI to give them defensive or offensive bonuses that help counter how few ships they have, shutting those down, reducing movements and actions, is key to taking out these ships.

so I went up against a decimator phantom list and got completely trashed, ive never seen so many blank greens for me and crits against me before!

Sounds like you need new dice!

In all seriousness though... If you can't beat 'em join 'em! Decimator/Phantom, Decimator/Firespray or "something, something, mini-swarm" would be my suggestion.

Ur probly right ha!

I've been using phantom/defender plus a mini swarm n iteither goes really well or jus rubbish, I'm not a fan of a heavy turret meta but it's something we all gota deal with haha, I'm thinking Firespray swarm wud b better for a bit of staying power against turret lists