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Magnets: How They Work (for X-Wing Miniatures)
Edited by NotBatman
I just followed these instructions. The Small ships all worked wonderfully! Thank you for this article! I'm working on the large ships now. My one warning is to be careful with the amount of gorilla glue, It expands as it dries. Mostly I could use paper towels to absorb the excess, but I had to scrape out some of the wholes after everything dried. If I did it again I might try epoxy. On the large ships and the HWK balancing is a bit tough, DO NOT assume the peg is the best balance point. I had to redo the decimator after the first attempt because it kept tilting over, After I shifted back a bit it works great. The shuttle and the outrider work perfectly.
Thanks for the great write up and links! I do have a question though:
Are the magnets suggested good for lifting model and base together, or will they separate easily? I want to make sure what I use is strong enough so it doesn't become the issue I'm trying to resolve: namely wave 5 ships that shuck their bases like tamale husks.
No problem!
For the small ships, I can say for sure that the magnets are strong enough to lift the base with the ship - with a caveat for the B-wing. Because of the way I mounted mine, I tend to grab them by the post.
The big ships, I'm pretty sure, lift the base as well, but honestly I don't recall for CERTAIN right now. (It's been a while and we don't generally use a lot of the big ships.)
I'll try and check tonight to make sure. I feel like it would have been annoying enough to have noticed if that DIDN'T work, but since this is the specific issue you're trying to fix, I want to be sure before I commit to an answer.
Awesome, thank you!
Do you have a problem with the ships tilting when moving them?
I mounted the HWK as the first ship and glued the magnet right where the peg was. Now it tilts backwards when I place the base with a bit of force. Should have reread the thread before actually doing this. I'll have to move the magnet.
Anyway, thanks for the guide and links. Can't wait to do the rest of my force.
And as to lifting by the ship, the magnets are strong enough to hold the base.
On the small ships the ship glides very easily on the ball so when lifting by the ship you might have to get used to positioning them correctly after moving.
I haven't mounted any large ships yet but the large magnets are much stronger so this may be less of an issue.
I just pulled out the Falcon and the Outrider and stuck them on one of my magnetized bases. I picked it up and shook it around a bunch and I'm perfectly confident in saying that THIS magnet and bearing combination will handle any stress you would put on the pieces in an aggressively frantic game.
If y'all go completely bugshit insane, I don't want to be held responsible, but short of using the magnetized ships/bases as weapons, I'm sure you'll be just fine.
As to actual magnet positioning, yeah the HWK prefers to have the magnet set back a little ways - maybe I should have made that a little more clear. The Decimator works well with the magnet mounted just slightly back of the original peg.
If you look closely, I changed the position of the mount on the YT-1300 because the way FFG had to mount the ventral quads always bugged the **** out of me.
Everything else works pretty much right where the original peg was. In fact, I didn't even take off the peg for the Outrider, because of the geometry of the spot, I just glued the magnet to the bottom of the peg!
I'm happy to continue to double-check or confirm anything anyone else might like. I LOVE this system, on so many levels. I wish FFG could have done something like this in the first place!
Lovely, thank you for confirming!
It's so cool when this happens for the first time:
No more shipless pegs. Thanks Batman!
Awesome!
Got my magnets in today!! A couple observations through trial and error after following all instructions in post.
1: Cut a B-wing peg 3-4mm after southward bend cuz I like my thruster paintjob, but the awkward weight distribution sends it ajar after moving, especially on a bank position. Does it seem to hold better attached straight to the engines?
2: Filing the interior "intakes" on the X-wing can help sloping. Think I may apply that tactic to the E also.
3: Now maybe I was a little too excited and put a large ship on a peg too early, but the bearing tore off. Make sure it dries for awhile. I am going to try drill pressing a filed-flat top of a large peg just to create a little more surface for bonding. A bit of concavity... Will let you know success.
Otherwise, fantastic NotBatman. Thank you
Edited by Son0fGunGot my magnets in today!! A couple observations through trial and error after following all instructions in post.
1: Cut a B-wing peg 3-4mm after southward bend cuz I like my thruster paintjob, but the awkward weight distribution sends it ajar after moving, especially on a bank position. Does it seem to hold better attached straight to the engines?
2: Filing the interior "intakes" on the X-wing can help sloping. Think I may apply that tactic to the E also.
3: Now maybe I was a little too excited and put a large ship on a peg too early, but the bearing tore off. Make sure it dries for awhile. I am going to try drill pressing a filed-flat top of a large peg just to create a little more surface for bonding. A bit of concavity... Will let you know success.
Otherwise, fantastic NotBatman. Thank you
When I did my B wings, I took the angled piece off and drilled into the middle of the engines and inset my magnet there, I used a flat one there and on the stand with the angled part attached there.. works like a dream and it spins just fine. I didn't want a gimble mount so there is that. I think this was tye best way to do a B wing..
Appreciate it oneway.
Peg>angle>ball>inset. I may give that method a try next. Makes sense.
1: Cut a B-wing peg 3-4mm after southward bend cuz I like my thruster paintjob, but the awkward weight distribution sends it ajar after moving, especially on a bank position. Does it seem to hold better attached straight to the engines?
The B-wing is easily the most awkward. I can't say my method works "better," of course, because it's the only way I did it, but it does hold well. Admittedly, it's pretty lazy.
Oneway's method sounds like a good compromise.
For the big ships I thought about trying to make the tops of the big pegs a little concave. It occurs to me now (sorry) that I used a small triangular needle file to create a notch for the big bearings to kind of sit in. I think that helped a little. I did learn, the hard way, that you DO have to let the glue dry, though.
(Edited original post with triangle needle file bit. Really sorry about that!)
Glad it's (generally) working out, though! The ones you posted look great!
Edited by NotBatmanThanks, I opted for no bearing because I just wanted it to spin, used small magnets for it, they are the same diameter as the pegs for the small based ships.
I have a couple TIEs I used a gimble mount (bearing and donut magnet pair) I also did that with one of my Decimators as well and a firespray. Gonna do the same with a YT-2400 to see how it works.
Thinking of removing the bearing from my firespray though. Its a loose connection, even after I filed the bearing to help with that. Ill possibly just glue the peg into the ship again and not worry about it anymore.. lol its a repaint that I use frequently as it is an imperial conceptual paint scheme.. its in the firespray repaint thread.. first page I think..
I'm sort of losing the thrill of magnetized ships... oft times they can be an irritant. I enjoy making the mods but find the practical use lackluster
Generally working out yes.
Think I may magnetize just a portion of my fleet. The only troubles I've realized yet are the Phantom and B, but I've only done 8 ships cuz I've been busy. Everything does seem to work well otherwise though. The Lambda looks cool banking btw.
The problem I keep having with magnetizing models is that the magnets won't STAY stuck. Generally, after a dozen or so uses the magnet breaks off of the model. By the time I get one that seems to stay put permanently I end up with a huge glob of crystallized superglue surrounding the magnet, which looks horrific.
I think its a matter of the constant "clicking" together of the magnets creates minute shock waves in the glue causing it to eventually break, a situation that gets worse if I use accelerant, which makes the glue more brittle to begin with.
Does anyone have any recommendation for UK neodymium magnet stockists?
I've purchased some from eBay...the first being rated N5O strength which is really great in terms of keeping the ships and stands secure (no wiggle) but the dimensions are a bit too big for my liking, at 10mm diameter. Countersunk though, which is nice.
I also purchased some smaller ones at 5mm, but being rated N35, they have less strength. When you lift the ship the base is lifted too, but it is not held tightly and will spin around if you give the ship a shake.When placed on the playing surface I think there is a good chance the ships will move and slip.
Any ideas ?
Thanks for this magnet tutorial = awesome! ...and well done
The problem I keep having with magnetizing models is that the magnets won't STAY stuck. Generally, after a dozen or so uses the magnet breaks off of the model. By the time I get one that seems to stay put permanently I end up with a huge glob of crystallized superglue surrounding the magnet, which looks horrific.
I think its a matter of the constant "clicking" together of the magnets creates minute shock waves in the glue causing it to eventually break, a situation that gets worse if I use accelerant, which makes the glue more brittle to begin with.
I have found some ships rock (shift) more than others during movement. Given the pegs wear over time I believe the magnets are the best option available right now for loose connections. But again.... At your own risk.
Edited by Son0fGunThe next best option I can think of is good, strong steel wire. But breakdown and transport would still cause issue with breaking of said wire. A confounding peg system. I am generally pleased with what I have done with magnets if that helps.
The way I did my B-Wings was when removing the post on the back I included the curve part as the peg. This does mean I have a diffrent peg for B-Wings but I like it better.
Nice idea Osoroshii.
I got busy and didn't get arounder to it until today. Wanted to show my solution for bearing to peg attachment.
http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q723/Son0fGun/Mobile%20Uploads/20150304_164658_zpsjcei499y.jpg
http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q723/Son0fGun/Mobile%20Uploads/20150304_165124_zpsfqifh36w.jpg
Used my Dremel press. 1/8" bit for small. Routing bit for large. Both of those bearings are unglued as of yet and are stable. Edit: Wth? My links don't want to work and my phone uploads are too large. Grrrr
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