Our local league is divided on how the overlapping rules are interpreted.
over lapping with anti-pursuit lasers, does it come into effect if you bump, template overlaps, any part of the ships base would fly through the apl ships base, any or all?
Also overlapping with new debris fields, is it just template flying through or if your ships base would go through it as it performs its maneuver.
Your answers will be the definitive ruling for us as non of us can agree.
When your opponents base ends it's movement touching the ship with the lasers the lasers activate. I haven't read much about the new debris fields so I will leave that answer to others.
When you either land on or pass through debris fields you take one stress and must roll to see if you take a crit.
As for the new debris fields their rules are the same when flying over obstacles in the rule book.
If the template passes over it, or the ships base ends on the debris then that is overlapping it.
If the template sits beside it, is not overlap the debris yet the base of the ship technically flew over it but does not end on top of it, is not considered flying through it, so they don't have to take stress or roll for dmg.
Edit
Sorry I got mixed up
Apl works with whatever ship base overlaps your ship with Apl rolls for dmg. Flying over one, but your move does not end overlapping is fine. No APL in that case
I had oicunn ability in my head for whatever reason
Edited by Krynn007Not how we play it..
APL activates against the ship you overlap. Which in your example is ship B. You are only touching ship A because you have to move back, but you are not overlapping A
Our local league is divided on how the overlapping rules are interpreted.
over lapping with anti-pursuit lasers, does it come into effect if you bump, template overlaps, any part of the ships base would fly through the apl ships base, any or all?
Also overlapping with new debris fields, is it just template flying through or if your ships base would go through it as it performs its maneuver.
Your answers will be the definitive ruling for us as non of us can agree.
APL only looks at where a ship ends up. You can safely fly by (have your template cross) a ship with APL and take no damage. If you would land on a ship with APL you start moving back; if you can stop once you are off the ship then you suffer but if you are still overlapping a different ship you will move back even further and avoid the APL ship completely.
Starship bases do not "go through" anything. You lay down a template and have interactions because of that and you have the ship's final position. You do not move a base along a template. As long as the template doesn't touch an obstacle or the final position cover an obstacle then that obstacle does nothing to you.
You wouldnt avoid the APL as you still overlapped the ship in the first place.
APL card states "maneuver that causes it to overlap your ship", nothing about final position.
Edited by Lord_SquintyWhat steevo said
If your final position is touching a different ship from the ship you technically overlap with Apl, they do not activate.
Edited by Krynn007You wouldnt avoid the APL as you still overlapped the ship in the first place.
APL card states "maneuver that causes it to overlap your ship", nothing about final position.
Yes the card stats that but your overlapping whichever ship your base is touching
So in this case you overlap a ship with Apl but due to another ship in the way you cannot fit in. Therefore you back up until you are no longer touching that ship.
So technically you are overlapping the second ship which does not have the Apl.
Rulebook page 17:
"If a ship executes a maneuver that would cause the final position of its base to physically overlap another ships base (even partially)"
Page 17 also has a diagram that shows the exact example being discussed.
Picture 2: "while trying to execute the maneuver it does in fact cause Tookie Pilot to overlap Academy pilots ship"
So, as soon as the academy pilot is overlapped the ability triggers (I know APs cant take APL).
APL "After an enemy ship executes a maneuver that causes it to overlap your ship"
So in the diagrams on page 17, the rookie pilot would overlap the Academy, take the APL hit THEN be moved back along the template until it is touching the Black Squad pilot and take no actions.
take the APL hit THEN be moved back along the template
I'm not going to get into the meat of this argument, but this part is clearly wrong. APL triggers after the ship executes a maneuver. The maneuver is not complete until the ship is placed in its final position, so APL cannot trigger until after the ship has been moved back along the template.
I'll let others deal with the rest of your points.
Nope, APL triggers "after an enemy ship executes a maneuver that causes it to overlap your ship"
Nothing about final position and touching ships.
Page 17 diagrams clearly show and state rookie pilot overlaps academy pilot.
To clarify, yes you've moved back and are now touching the black squqd pilot, but you still overlapped the academy TIE, that is all APL requires unless there is an errata.
You don't scoot along your template, existing on every millimeter of the 3 bank or whatever as you go along. There are interactions (like asteroids) that specifically call out when your maneuver template overlaps the obstacle vs. when your ship does. A ship is not overlapping another ship just because it's maneuver template overlaps a ship, and a ship has not executed a maneuver until it's been placed at it's location at the end of it's maneuver template, or as close as it can get if it's final position would overlap a ship, where "as close as it can get" is determined using the procedures outlined in the relevant rules for bumping.
If anyone in your league legitimately thinks that Anti-Pursuit lasers, which trigger after an enemy unit performs a maneuver that causes it to overlap your ship, *actually* trigger before your maneuver is performed, when your maneuver template overlaps an enemy ship, they are doing it wrong.
As for flying over a ship, overlapping the APL ship, and then moving back so that you don't overlap the APL equipped ship, per the FAQ you only count as overlapping the ship you're touching after you've reached your final legal position along your maneuver template, so if you fly over a TIE Fighter, hit an APL Lambda, bump, scoot back so you're touching the TIE but not the Lambda, then you do not trigger APL.
Edited by MikeMcSomethingTo clarify, yes you've moved back and are now touching the black squqd pilot, but you still overlapped the academy TIE, that is all APL requires unless there is an errata.
Like the above poster just said
It's your final position.
So you overlap a ship with Apl, but can't fit in so you back up even further now touching a different ship with no Apl.
It doesn't matter if your first overlap was the Apl.
It's where you ended up.
So you overlap the ship you are now touching
All the more reason why Apl are not that good
At no point have I said that I'm scooting along a template. The rulebook clearly shows when a ship is considered overlapping at the end of its move. It is THEN moved back along the template because the overlap ha happened. Final positions and touching another ship is for all intents irrelevant for APL because it happens because of an overlap, not when ships are touching. Its a small but important difference.
Nope, APL triggers "after an enemy ship executes a maneuver that causes it to overlap your ship"
Nothing about final position and touching ships.
Page 17 diagrams clearly show and state rookie pilot overlaps academy pilot.
To clarify, yes you've moved back and are now touching the black squqd pilot, but you still overlapped the academy TIE, that is all APL requires unless there is an errata.
The effect of Apl only resolves if the enemy ship is touching the ship with Apl after executing it's manuevers
The effect of Apl does not resolve if only the maneuver template overlaps a ship equipped with APL
And no this has not been errata, this is just explaining how it works
Edited by Krynn007There are these entries in the FAQ.
The effect of Anti-Pursuit Lasers only resolves if an enemy ship is touching the ship equipped with Anti- Pursuit Lasers after executing its maneuver.
The effect of Anti-Pursuit Lasers does not resolve if only the maneuver template overlaps a ship equipped with Anti-Pursuit Lasers.
Q: A ship executes a maneuver in which its template or final position overlaps an obstacle. Due to avoiding collisions with other ships, it ends up stopping before reaching the obstacle. Does it still suffer the effects of moving through or overlapping an obstacle?
A: No.
Edited by ForgottenloreOur local league is divided on how the overlapping rules are interpreted.
over lapping with anti-pursuit lasers, does it come into effect if you bump, template overlaps, any part of the ships base would fly through the apl ships base, any or all?
Also overlapping with new debris fields, is it just template flying through or if your ships base would go through it as it performs its maneuver.
Your answers will be the definitive ruling for us as non of us can agree.
The first question in answered the in the FAQ:
The effect of Anti-Pursuit Lasers only resolves if an enemy ship is touching the ship equipped with Anti-Pursuit Lasers after executing its maneuver. The effect of Anti-Pursuit Lasers does not resolve if only the maneuver template overlaps a ship equipped with Anti-Pursuit Lasers
Right, the FAQ change it then.
I stand corrected in that case.
I was using the card and rulebook, which the FAQ contradicts (but more importantly, overules)
Well the faq did not errata anything.
It's just how it always worked.
It's your final position.
I'm guessing though due to confusion that it was faq
Right, the FAQ change it then.
I stand corrected in that case.
I was using the card and rulebook, which the FAQ contradicts (but more importantly, overules)
No has always been played like that afaik. Its just like with losing your action. It doesn't matter if you pass through a ship nor if the template goes through it (unlike with asteroids), but if you can't complete your movement and overlap in final position, you slide back and count as overlapping and would lose your action or roll for APL respectively. This is pretty clear and has not been "changed" by the errata either. Maybe clarified at best!
Our local league is divided on how the overlapping rules are interpreted.
over lapping with anti-pursuit lasers, does it come into effect if you bump, template overlaps, any part of the ships base would fly through the apl ships base, any or all?
Also overlapping with new debris fields, is it just template flying through or if your ships base would go through it as it performs its maneuver.
Your answers will be the definitive ruling for us as non of us can agree.
Keep in mind the the rules for overlapping ships and obstacles are different. Overlapping a rock is not the same as overlapping a ship. So where as asteroids debris clouds or other obstacles matter if the movement template touches them or not it doesn't matter for ship.