Text Change on foiled Crack Counter-> Vaulting?

By BlackFireDragon, in UFS Rules Q & A

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Uncommon Version text: "E: If this attack deals damage, during the End Phase each player puts their hand at the bottom of their deck and may draw up to their hand size."

Foiled Version text: "E: If this attack deals damage, during the End Phase each player may put their hand at the bottom of their deck and then may draw up to their hand size."

so my question is how should the text be played on a version you are playing? Is this foiled version's text an errata to all copies, or should it be played as it appears on the version of the card you are playing? (like how Taking the Bait and Leave at Dawn worked with their different versions)

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BlackFireDragon said:

Uncommon Version text: "E: If this attack deals damage, during the End Phase each player puts their hand at the bottom of their deck and may draw up to their hand size."

Foiled Version text: "E: If this attack deals damage, during the End Phase each player may put their hand at the bottom of their deck and then may draw up to their hand size."

so my question is how should the text be played on a version you are playing? Is this foiled version's text an errata to all copies, or should it be played as it appears on the version of the card you are playing? (like how Taking the Bait and Leave at Dawn worked with their different versions)

Based on the AGR, you play with the most recently printed version's text. I know that the cards were printed at the same time, however the promo was released later, making it the most current version.

Until I hear back from James (I have escalated this to him), CC->V uses the most recent text on the foil version.

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Antigoth said:

BlackFireDragon said:

Uncommon Version text: "E: If this attack deals damage, during the End Phase each player puts their hand at the bottom of their deck and may draw up to their hand size."

Foiled Version text: "E: If this attack deals damage, during the End Phase each player may put their hand at the bottom of their deck and then may draw up to their hand size."

so my question is how should the text be played on a version you are playing? Is this foiled version's text an errata to all copies, or should it be played as it appears on the version of the card you are playing? (like how Taking the Bait and Leave at Dawn worked with their different versions)

Based on the AGR, you play with the most recently printed version's text. I know that the cards were printed at the same time, however the promo was released later, making it the most current version.

Until I hear back from James (I have escalated this to him), CC->V uses the most recent text on the foil version.

awww that sucks, if thats how it ends up being the new text would really kill the power of the card.

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Good ruling...but in this case it makes me sad. :(

...I wanna force my opponenet to drop those cards. :)

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ROTBI said:

Good ruling...but in this case it makes me sad. :(

...I wanna force my opponenet to drop those cards. :)

Stay tuned... James has asked to pause this until next week. And based on some other information that we discussed, we may be leaning to the booster version being the actual text that's standard for the card.

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Antigoth said:

ROTBI said:

Good ruling...but in this case it makes me sad. :(

...I wanna force my opponenet to drop those cards. :)

Stay tuned... James has asked to pause this until next week. And based on some other information that we discussed, we may be leaning to the booster version being the actual text that's standard for the card.

I too am interested in finding out if 'may' is a factor, and preferably before US Nats. It is weird to me that a different run of the same card would have different wording, unless the desire is to update the wording for functional errata.

- dut

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dutpotd said:

I too am interested in finding out if 'may' is a factor, and preferably before US Nats. It is weird to me that a different run of the same card would have different wording, unless the desire is to update the wording for functional errata.

- dut

The Booster version is the original intended version of the card. The Foiled version from the promo run was printed at the same time, and was some how changed when migrating from the booster sheet to the promo sheet. We're currently investigating how that happened, which is why this is paused.

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Antigoth said:

dutpotd said:

I too am interested in finding out if 'may' is a factor, and preferably before US Nats. It is weird to me that a different run of the same card would have different wording, unless the desire is to update the wording for functional errata.

- dut

The Booster version is the original intended version of the card. The Foiled version from the promo run was printed at the same time, and was some how changed when migrating from the booster sheet to the promo sheet. We're currently investigating how that happened, which is why this is paused.

That's cool, I mean anything could have happened, and things do happen.

I'm just curious if the thing that happened was an intentional thing to manipulate the ability of the card, or simply a mistake.

If the original intent is the most recent intent, I'm sure we won't have a problem. But if the design intent changed then that makes a world of difference ^^

Also, what a keen eye someone has! I guess I can't find my foil promos of this card... I'm sure they are somewhere. But I don't recall seeing the difference at first glance. Thank you to the OP for bringing this to everyone's attention.

And the rule mods for being so prompt with responses, makes me happy ^^

- dut

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dutpotd said:

Antigoth said:

dutpotd said:

I too am interested in finding out if 'may' is a factor, and preferably before US Nats. It is weird to me that a different run of the same card would have different wording, unless the desire is to update the wording for functional errata.

- dut

The Booster version is the original intended version of the card. The Foiled version from the promo run was printed at the same time, and was some how changed when migrating from the booster sheet to the promo sheet. We're currently investigating how that happened, which is why this is paused.

That's cool, I mean anything could have happened, and things do happen.

I'm just curious if the thing that happened was an intentional thing to manipulate the ability of the card, or simply a mistake.

If the original intent is the most recent intent, I'm sure we won't have a problem. But if the design intent changed then that makes a world of difference ^^

Also, what a keen eye someone has! I guess I can't find my foil promos of this card... I'm sure they are somewhere. But I don't recall seeing the difference at first glance. Thank you to the OP for bringing this to everyone's attention.

And the rule mods for being so prompt with responses, makes me happy ^^

- dut

Glad to be of help, I love CC -> V so as soon as I actually read it (out of sheer luck in a new version of a deck I'm playing.) I read the foiled version and was like "WTF? I dont remember it working that way... have I been playing it wrong this whole time?" Then I checked the set version and realized something was horribly wrong. You know, the way a mother knows when their child is in danger... but unlike that, this is actually something people care about.


This incident however makes me think... have there been any other slip-ups that no one has noticed yet? I just hope for the best, CC->V is a great card.

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Official Final Answer:

The version that is non-foiled found in starters and booster backs is the most current version of the card, and it should be played using that text.

The Errata thread has been updated to include.