If you use a card such as a Tzeentch Flamer or Tzeentch's Fire and you kill an enemy card, triggering Shrine of warpflame, do you put the Flamer or Fire back into your hand or are they not yet in your discard pile.
Shrine of Warpflame
If you Sacrifice the unit to deal the damage, by the time the damage is done the card must be already in the Discard Pile, since the action of Sacrifice means you have to move it to the Discard Pile.
Not so sure about Tzeentch's Firestorm, since the Event Cards section in the RRG says:
When a player plays an event card, its cost is paid, its ability is resolved, and the card is then placed in that player’s discard pile.
Here it says that the action is resolved BEFORE the card is placed in the discard pile. Since the Shrine is a Reaction to the other unit dead, I'm not sure if by the time the other unit is dead your card should be already discarded.
Yes this will allow you to bring back the event card.
The event card must be fully resolved as per the RRG (meaning the unit is at this point destroyed) and is then placed in the discard pile. After this occurs, reactions to its destruction can occur.
RRG page 7
Event Cards
When a player plays an event card, its cost is paid,
its ability is resolved, and the card is then placed in
that player’s discard pile.
Email reply from game designer to playtesters:
Placing the event on the discard pile marks the completion of the event’s resolution. This should happen before any Reactions to that resolution can occur. - Nate French
Edited by Killax
Yes to both, as you have played the cards by the time the enemy unit is destroyed and the Reaction on Shrine of Warpflame is when an enemy unit has been destroyed.
RRG references:
When a player plays an event card, its cost is paid,its ability is resolved, a nd the card is then placed in that player’s discard pile.
When a player is instructed to sacrifice a card, he must choose and discard a card in play that he controls andthat matches the requirements of the sacrifice.