Hello, since it's my first post to the forum: Hello all! My adventure with SW X-Wing miniatures game begun 1 month ago and I'm still learning.

Recently I had a play where I used Oicunn with Anti-pursuit lasers vs Y-wing and B-wing

1st Y-wing and B-wing run into my decimator so we rolled for APLasers - Y-wing was slightly angled perfectly in front of my VT, B-wing touched left side of Decimator

2nd I have made 1 forward with decimator - here comes the question: since I couldn't fit my VT behind Y-wing Decimator stayed in place. Does Y an B wings suffer from Oicunn ability?

Than if both B and Y make forward one (can't do that since Oicunn with APLasers is standing in their way) get hit by APLasers?

What are your opinions on that?

Firstly welcome aboard.

Secondly, there are going to be numerous references to the FAQ. I suggest you download it if you haven't seen it or heard about it. It answers a lot of questions and is a very good point of reference.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/support/faq/X-Wing-FAQ-low-res.pdf

If you tried to make your maneuver, but couldn't because the Y-wing was blocking you, then your maneuver has resulted in an overlap, so Captain Oicunn's ability would still trigger and he would dish out some damage to each ship he's touching. It shouldn't change because you didn't actually move him.

If, in the next round, the B and the Y try a maneuver that ends with them staying in contact with the VT-49, then they get hit by the APL again.

Thank you Parravon. I've decided to ask here because I haven't found answear either in FAQ, updated rule book (2.2) - BTW I have it all printed, since it's more convienient, and on this forum. So that implies that I have won legitimately

Thanks again!

I use the PDF file as you can search for a word very quickly that way. But either way, it's all good. Have a look at Page 8 of the FAQ as that's where touching ships is discussed.

Page 8 of the 2.2 FAQ referes to the Huge ships, page 9 thou had some hints on big ships. Unfortunately it wasn't clear enough since that wasn't lambda shuttle (correct me if I'm wrong, but only Lambda can do "0" move) but Decimator with forward 1 move. Now it's clear with the overlap.

And yeah using tablet or phone with word search is nice but it kinda ruins my offline approach to SW X-Wing I have enough computers in my daily routine.

Again thanks for clearing some clouds over rule book.

Page 8 is Section 3: Rule Clarifications. Those clarifications are general rules that apply to all sizes of ships.

The Lambda is the only ship at the moment with a "0" maneuver, but the principle explained still applies.

If a model begins its activation touching another ship and executes a [0] maneuver, the ships are considered touching.

So, if a model begins its activation touching another ship and doesn't move due to being blocked, the ships are still considered touching.

As for being able to look stuff up in the PDF, I'm still old school and using a desk top for that. So that doesn't get carted off to games either.

Since he is still touching both the y-wing and b-wing after he was unable to move forward and thus completed his maneuver, they both get damage.

What is great about Oicunn having a relatively low PS, he can fly into ships with a higher PS since they haven't moved yet.

So what if both ships are dead flat against each other with the nubs touching and oicunn performs the straight 1 and the ships is a small base would he still be overlapping as I believe the nubs still touch the base

So what if both ships are dead flat against each other with the nubs touching and oicunn performs the straight 1 and the ships is a small base would he still be overlapping as I believe the nubs still touch the base

They are still touching.

This is an example of "Free Damage". Use it whenever possible.

So what if both ships are dead flat against each other with the nubs touching and oicunn performs the straight 1 and the ships is a small base would he still be overlapping as I believe the nubs still touch the base

They are still touching.

This is an example of "Free Damage". Use it whenever possible.

Even better is that if they are touching they can't return fire!

Reading the example I'm almost thinking that both Y and B Wings will be "touching" when the Decimator moves back instead of just the Y-Wing. Then I think about touching and pursuit where two ships might start a turn touching but if both do the same forward maneuver they only end up "almost touching" and this is how I see the B-Wing and Decimator; the Decimator moved but it's no longer on top of the B-Wing.

Firstly welcome aboard.

Secondly, there are going to be numerous references to the FAQ. I suggest you download it if you haven't seen it or heard about it. It answers a lot of questions and is a very good point of reference.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/support/faq/X-Wing-FAQ-low-res.pdf

If you tried to make your maneuver, but couldn't because the Y-wing was blocking you, then your maneuver has resulted in an overlap, so Captain Oicunn's ability would still trigger and he would dish out some damage to each ship he's touching. It shouldn't change because you didn't actually move him.

If, in the next round, the B and the Y try a maneuver that ends with them staying in contact with the VT-49, then they get hit by the APL again.

I was wondering about that. Does the hit take place after the enemy ship moves or does it take place after I move? Also my wife and I created a scenario If there is 2/3 small ships that are lined up 1 behind the other and The large ship attempts to do a 1 move forward. It can not preform the move and the Large ship remains in the same position.

Firstly welcome aboard.

Secondly, there are going to be numerous references to the FAQ. I suggest you download it if you haven't seen it or heard about it. It answers a lot of questions and is a very good point of reference.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/x-wing/support/faq/X-Wing-FAQ-low-res.pdf

If you tried to make your maneuver, but couldn't because the Y-wing was blocking you, then your maneuver has resulted in an overlap, so Captain Oicunn's ability would still trigger and he would dish out some damage to each ship he's touching. It shouldn't change because you didn't actually move him.

If, in the next round, the B and the Y try a maneuver that ends with them staying in contact with the VT-49, then they get hit by the APL again.

I was wondering about that. Does the hit take place after the enemy ship moves or does it take place after I move? Also my wife and I created a scenario If there is 2/3 small ships that are lined up 1 behind the other and The large ship attempts to do a 1 move forward. It can not preform the move and the Large ship remains in the same position.

The hit takes place after Oicunn moves, as per his card text. If Oicunn tries to move but is blocked by a small ship that overlapped in the previous round and is still touching, then as long as the planned move doesn't take him over and clear of the small ship, he would end his maneuver right where he started, effectively not moving at all. But he has still executed his maneuver, so each ship he's still touching suffers 1 damage.

Actually, you are only touching ships you overlapped in the manoeuvre so the B-Wing isn't touching anymore just adjacent.

From the rules.

- Ships are touching until one makes a Manoeuvre to move away. (Lambda's 0 isn't an attempt to move away)

- You are only touching ship you overlapped and had to move back from.

This leaves the B-wing adjacent, not touching.

Its also why ships moving parallel aren't touching even tho they were touching before making the moves. They never overlap.

Hi there

I already wrote FF but didn't get a answer, so I decided to write to you guys.

For me this means: It doesn't matter if the decimator runs in another ship or another ship runs into the decimator...it suffers a damage.

Well I know, I know p.19 in the Rulebook says that it must be written if another ship is involved in the abilities...but still it says "a maneuver" and on other cards it says that you have to do things to trigger something...

How do you see this oh...an why wasn't oicunn included in the last FAQ but another decimator pilot was.

I hope they will write something to this topic on the next FAQ...

Hi there

I already wrote FF but didn't get a answer, so I decided to write to you guys.

For me this means: It doesn't matter if the decimator runs in another ship or another ship runs into the decimator...it suffers a damage.

Well I know, I know p.19 in the Rulebook says that it must be written if another ship is involved in the abilities...but still it says "a maneuver" and on other cards it says that you have to do things to trigger something...

How do you see this oh...an why wasn't oicunn included in the last FAQ but another decimator pilot was.

I hope they will write something to this topic on the next FAQ...

If "after executing a maneuver" is not limited to Oicunn, it is not limited to a ship overlapping Oicunn either. Which means that ships touching Oicunn suffer damage every time a ship executes a maneuver. Any ship. Anywhere on the table.

I honestly think that's not the intention of the game designers. So no, the effect is limited to Oicunn executing a maneuver.

Actually, you are only touching ships you overlapped in the manoeuvre so the B-Wing isn't touching anymore just adjacent.

From the rules.

- Ships are touching until one makes a Manoeuvre to move away. (Lambda's 0 isn't an attempt to move away)

- You are only touching ship you overlapped and had to move back from.

This leaves the B-wing adjacent, not touching.

Its also why ships moving parallel aren't touching even tho they were touching before making the moves. They never overlap.

I think this is currently being debated in four or five different places. There are two ways to interpret the rulebook entry on touching, and the various versions of the FAQ have been inconsistent in their treatment of this situation.

We really won't know until FFG directly addresses it.

Hi there

I already wrote FF but didn't get a answer, so I decided to write to you guys.

For me this means: It doesn't matter if the decimator runs in another ship or another ship runs into the decimator...it suffers a damage.

Well I know, I know p.19 in the Rulebook says that it must be written if another ship is involved in the abilities...but still it says "a maneuver" and on other cards it says that you have to do things to trigger something...

How do you see this oh...an why wasn't oicunn included in the last FAQ but another decimator pilot was.

I hope they will write something to this topic on the next FAQ...

If "after executing a maneuver" is not limited to Oicunn, it is not limited to a ship overlapping Oicunn either. Which means that ships touching Oicunn suffer damage every time a ship executes a maneuver. Any ship. Anywhere on the table.

I honestly think that's not the intention of the game designers. So no, the effect is limited to Oicunn executing a maneuver.

Yeah you could interpret it like this, but i think this wouldn't make any sense at all. That's why i would say it just includes the ships involved in the crash. that would be reasonable.

I hope FFG hurries with their answer...because as long as there is none I will not play oicunn on official tournament.

because as long as there is none I will not play oicunn on official tournament.

Why not ask the TO beforehand?

So you can show up and field the rolling ball of fun that is OICUNN SMASH!

Hi there

I already wrote FF but didn't get a answer, so I decided to write to you guys.

For me this means: It doesn't matter if the decimator runs in another ship or another ship runs into the decimator...it suffers a damage.

Well I know, I know p.19 in the Rulebook says that it must be written if another ship is involved in the abilities...but still it says "a maneuver" and on other cards it says that you have to do things to trigger something...

How do you see this oh...an why wasn't oicunn included in the last FAQ but another decimator pilot was.

I hope they will write something to this topic on the next FAQ...

If "after executing a maneuver" is not limited to Oicunn, it is not limited to a ship overlapping Oicunn either. Which means that ships touching Oicunn suffer damage every time a ship executes a maneuver. Any ship. Anywhere on the table.

I honestly think that's not the intention of the game designers. So no, the effect is limited to Oicunn executing a maneuver.

Yeah you could interpret it like this, but i think this wouldn't make any sense at all. That's why i would say it just includes the ships involved in the crash.

There is nothing in the trigger condition "after executing a maneuver" which even hints towards ships involved in an overlap. The ability is definitely not limited to ships involved in an overlap. It's either for all ships of for Oicunn only.

The rules do specify that unless an ability specifically mentions other ships, it refers to the ship it is on exclusively.

But why are there other ships, where it says"you" "your maneuver" "your attacke"...it's like a black raven...it is too much...one rule is too much

That's in reference to those ships and their abilities. The terms "you" and "your" refer to the active ship, not the player. This makes it easier to determine the scope of those abilities and which ship or ships they might effect.

Note: Black raven? I've never heard the term.

Note: Black raven? I've never heard the term.

maybe it doesn't exist in english...i am swiss an we speack german and in german it is usless to say black raven because a raven is always black...except if it's an albino^^...it's called a pleonasm

Can't say I've heard that idiom used by native English speakers. I do like it though. Learn something new every day