Competitive vs Fly Casual.

I love the posts about the math and the meta.

Love the posts of Bacon and Slave Girl outfits.

Find the drama funny.

But bottom line whether you're hard core or easy going, Don't be a prick. You don't like X but its not in violation of any forum rules? It's in slight violation but people are having a good time? Move along, Move along this isn't the post you are looking for.

I'll have you know I've succesfully flown bombers as of late. I've done a build containing Capt. Jonus, and x3 scimitar bombers, all with seismic charges and protons. I've also won with a decimator stress inducer and two gammas/Scimitars (can't remember which bombers I flew) all with seismic charges. The trick is bait someone into chasing them after you get a target lock. then fly in a formation while dropping bombs so they popcorn effect on an enemy formation or single heavy hitter. They are certainly a challenge but the look on my mentors face after I kicked his butt with his tie swarm was gratifying enough, Not to mention it earned my a spot for our contention rounds for a medal.

Also I fly casual, while I enjoy competition in form of league tournaments, I don't really care if I lose. Unless I'm flying against my friends Hawk/Ion dirty bird build. that's just frustrating XD

this thread is off topic and should be relegated to that forum. how do i report that?

also flame bait and a discourse thats been had about a million times to the point of tiresome bleating.

The ex40k-space-gyrenes are about as cool as this thing...

IF you view every ship in terms of it's viability, you are not here for wonderful STAR WARS!

this thread is off topic and should be relegated to that forum. how do i report that?

Off topic means "not related to x-wing". This is certainly related to xwing. Just because my posts aren't restricted to boring rehashing of lists we've seen a thousand times doesn't mean they are off topic.

this thread is off topic and should be relegated to that forum. how do i report that?

Off topic means "not related to x-wing". This is certainly related to xwing. Just because my posts aren't restricted to boring rehashing of lists we've seen a thousand times doesn't mean they are off topic.

Please continue to supposedly be boring.

I am past despising the billion my list post.

It is just noise to me now and I giggle at some of the titles.

:lol:

I read them with a Jon Schneep nerd voice in my head.

Fly Casual is not the antithesis of a tournament player. Fly Casual is also not synonymous with being a casual player.

Flying Casual is how you conduct yourself while playing regardless of the setting.

You can be a net lister whose priority is tournament play or in constant preparation for tournament play and still Fly Casual.

There are also people who exclusively play for fun and have zero interest in a tournament that is utterly incapable of Flying Casual.

I have loads of fun with my local playgroup as well as with friends whether any of us are running anything competitive or not.

I also have loads of fun playing in tournaments and meeting cool people that play the game.

It really is a great community if you get out there and take the right attitude into it. That's Fly Casual.

Fly Casual is basically our version of Rule no. 1 or Wheaton's Law:

Don't be a D***.

Personally i dont have a problem with off topic threads...but To my understanding I thought such threads were supposed to go in the sub catagory of the forum marked as off topic just like the rules part of the forum as well as the battle report section?

I think the idea that theres a difference between casual and serious gamers is silly. Everyone hates losing.

I think the idea that there's a difference between casual and serious gamers is silly.

Serious gamers aren't dead and never will be.

this thread is off topic and should be relegated to that forum. how do i report that?

Off topic means "not related to x-wing". This is certainly related to xwing. Just because my posts aren't restricted to boring rehashing of lists we've seen a thousand times doesn't mean they are off topic.

Please continue to supposedly be boring.

I am past despising the billion my list post.

It is just noise to me now and I giggle at some of the titles.

:lol:

I read them with a Jon Schneep nerd voice in my head.

Glad we get along even though we think different things. =)

Some Questions of "Fly Casual"

The following situations occur, do you agree with the action taken?

1. An Asteroid is bumped, and then immediately after a projected move lands the Phantom onto that asteroid. It will be game affecting. Player A insists his phantom should have missed the roid. Player B says Bad luck. Player A suggests Flip it 50/50 and the Phantom does land on the asteroid. Both Play on never questioning it again.

Player A makes a ship Manoeuvre that causes the ship to line parallel to the board edge. Its 1mm over the edge and technically left the battlefield. There doesn't seem to have been any table bumps or any reason why the ship would have moved.

2. Player A asks Player B for a 50/50. Its in a Tourney and there wasn't any outside affect that might have caused the fly out and says no. Player A loses the match.

3. Alternatively to above Player A doesn't ask for a 50/50 but asks Player B to confirm the ship in or out. Player B says 50/50 it and its decidedly out. Player A loses the match.

4. Later, comment is made that Player B should have just let Player A's ship be in in the spirit of fly casual.

5. Player is at a LGS Tourney and practicing for Nationals. He announces beforehand that he will be doing so and expects people to add meta or bring a list that isn't deliberately gimped. His first opponent doesn't like the Players list and just gives up the game. His second opponent forgets a trigger but the player asks him 3 times is he ok for triggers and the opponent insists to play on. Later in the turn the player shoots the ship that missed its trigger/action and at that point the opponent insists he would have done X. The player details that he had asked several times and didn't take the opportunity. The opponent is insistent so the player gives him the take back. Player A wastes the ship. The opponent leaves the table complaining that the Player doesn't understand fly casual and must WAAC. Last round the Player gets a Bye and ends up in First Place.

6. Player A and B feel like avoiding net lists and just fly a list because it has an interesting mechanic or based on the visual appeal of the ships. During the event Player A notably lets opponents 50/50 asteroid calls and parallel bumps. Player B on the other hand is always insistent that the line is in his favour. At the end of the event the tourney winner notes that both their lists were a wash and of no competition. Player B rages that he was flying Casual and that's why he didn't win.

Flying casual in a Tourney is a fine line.

50/50 flips are fine between players. It keeps the game moving forward and keeps th TO free. But once you open that 50/50 you better stick to that method on anything remotely close. Using it only to your advantage is poor sportsmanship.

Asking a player multiple times about a trigger and they pass only to want to go back and call it? Never in tourney play. Its almost a "slow play/turtle" move. You were asked, you passed, move on. But if you are the one asking make it clear what you are asking, don't be vague. If you think they mean to do a specific action ask that specifically. If they are not declaring an action ask what action are you calling. If they say none then move along.

this thread is off topic and should be relegated to that forum. how do i report that?

Off topic means "not related to x-wing". This is certainly related to xwing. Just because my posts aren't restricted to boring rehashing of lists we've seen a thousand times doesn't mean they are off topic.

Please continue to supposedly be boring.

I am past despising the billion my list post.

It is just noise to me now and I giggle at some of the titles.

:lol:

I read them with a Jon Schneep nerd voice in my head.

Glad we get along even though we think different things. =)

I like you just fine too.

I do not have a hate on for people who post list after list, but the fact that you see the same ideas and these inane post clog up the front page... that is some craptasticness right there.

Flying casual in a Tourney is a fine line.

I respectfully disagree.

You can enforce rules correctly against your opponent and still Fly Casual.

It's all in how you conduct yourself. And I would love to sit here and say I have always flown casual but I've had my moments where I've been disappointed in myself.

1. An Asteroid is bumped, and then immediately after a projected move lands the Phantom onto that asteroid.

If in the process of moving ships that turn, if an asteroid is bumped and it can be put back, I would say you should do so. If it happens to get flung off the table or something then clearly it can't but if it's just nudged a bit, then both players should agree to where it is supposed to be, and then live with that spot.

There is no need to dice for it.

There doesn't seem to have been any table bumps or any reason why the ship would have moved.

So a ship is on the edge of the table but not off. The player takes a X straight maneuver and at the end the ship is off.

In that case it would depend, was this the 2nd or 3rd straight the ship has taken? So it's been flying parallel and now is off, I'd say that the person just put it on the wrong spot. It's not like the templates fit super snug between the nubs.

If however the ship had come in with a bank or something and was lined up with the edge, then took the straight and went off, then it's off. Because then it's just that the ship wasn't quite as well lined up with the edge as the person thought it was. Again no need for dice here, either a shp is off or it isn't.

The opponent leaves the table complaining that the Player doesn't understand fly casual and must WAAC. Last round the Player gets a Bye and ends up in First Place.

Player B rages that he was flying Casual and that's why he didn't win.

Any time someone uses "fly casual" as an excuse they are not doing so.

Anytime you have a tournament structure, it will be competitive...some handle it better than others.

To truly fly casual, don't play in tournaments.

I just fly casually competitive or was ot competitively casual?

;-)

I play to have fun.

We all play to have fun. Competitively or not. We just happen to have fun differently.

Keep playing with people you enjoy playing, and let people who enjoy playing their way do the same. There is absolutely no need to be judgemental about it, because as you said it, we are grown men in here.

No some people play purely to win, the kind of person that hurts themselves when they make a stupid mistake and throw stuff around when they lose.

1. An Asteroid is bumped, and then immediately after a projected move lands the Phantom onto that asteroid.

If in the process of moving ships that turn, if an asteroid is bumped and it can be put back, I would say you should do so. If it happens to get flung off the table or something then clearly it can't but if it's just nudged a bit, then both players should agree to where it is supposed to be, and then live with that spot.There is no need to dice for it.

There doesn't seem to have been any table bumps or any reason why the ship would have moved.

So a ship is on the edge of the table but not off. The player takes a X straight maneuver and at the end the ship is off.In that case it would depend, was this the 2nd or 3rd straight the ship has taken? So it's been flying parallel and now is off, I'd say that the person just put it on the wrong spot. It's not like the templates fit super snug between the nubs.If however the ship had come in with a bank or something and was lined up with the edge, then took the straight and went off, then it's off. Because then it's just that the ship wasn't quite as well lined up with the edge as the person thought it was. Again no need for dice here, either a shp is off or it isn't.

The opponent leaves the table complaining that the Player doesn't understand fly casual and must WAAC. Last round the Player gets a Bye and ends up in First Place.Player B rages that he was flying Casual and that's why he didn't win.

Any time someone uses "fly casual" as an excuse they are not doing so.

I originally wrote a large response to this, particularly your statements on never needing to dice for a call but decided to leave it as this question?

When a physical anomaly occurs, and the perception of reality between those players differ, who has the right to say what is correct? Is it better in the nature of the game to debate until the accepted true state be attained or simply roll a dice and move on? Should you always force the worst on the victim player? Should you alway be lenient?

Wait, what was that about bacon?

To actually add something constructive to this thread, I am what the Fly Casual crowd would refer to as a very casual flyer. I'm the guy reminding my opponent he hasn't taken an action yet before he moves on. I always offer to let my opponent judge my sight lines on bumps or firing arcs or range measurements when they look close, and I've got no problem dicing off to decide a disagreement. I've laughed myself silly and had a great time in many matches and various games when getting completely slaughtered, and am always humble in any type of victory.

My LGS owner is one of my most frequent opponents in many different games I've played in his shop. He was a lawyer before becoming a game store owner, and is very serious about rules while playing. He doesn't like giving or receiving any kind of favors or special treatment while gaming, and has asked on several occasions that I hold him to the letter of the law. And, he also has something of a reputation for being a somewhat bad loser. In other words, he is the epitome of what some of the Fly Casual crowd would label as the exact opposite of a casual flyer. I game with him whenever I can, have never had any kind of serious argument or left a table with any ad feelings after a match with him, and have even seen him joke around and enjoy losses while playing against me.

So, I have no problem whatsoever with gaming against the more serious minded gamers out there, but I do not enjoy at all playing against the "I play to have fun, and define having fun as winning" crowd. I play to have fun, and I don't take it too seriously. My LGS owner plays to have fun, prefers to win, but still has fun even in a loss. But, those of you trying to say "I play to have fun too", while also saying "I don't have fun when I lose" aren't playing games for the same reasons that I do or my LGS owner does. There is a balance between the Flying Casual crowd and the wanting to win crowd, and you can actually do both at the same time. But not if you're going to throw dice or tantrums or blame or disrespect after every loss.