Try NOT responding and go someplace else.

Why in the world should I? You're wrong. Myself and others have proved you wrong many times. Last time I checked this was a public message board and as such I have every right to keep pointing out how wrong you are.

You're not including store profit in that.

(This is coming from a small business perspective, so details might be off, but concept should hold.)

Usual MSRP markup is double. If a store sells an A-Wing for $15, they probably paid $7.50 for it.

If the cost of an A-Wing mini is, say, your $4 estimate, that leaves $3.50.

So that $3.50 covers base, cards, tokens, etc...

Development.

Marketing.

The Lucasfilm license (known to be expensive).

Packaging.

Distribution.

Try NOT responding and go someplace else.

Why in the world should I? You're wrong. Myself and others have proved you wrong many times. Last time I checked this was a public message board and as such I have every right to keep pointing out how wrong you are.

You clearly have NO IDEA or concept of what I'm asking for. None. Its exhausting, trying to explain it to you.

That being said...go ahead and make your last statement or point since you're one of THOSE people. I'm not interested in debating with you and further.

If you post an idea in a forum, and you don't want people making their case for the other side, what exactly do you want?

All I really was suggesting is that an extra model be included in the generics ship model expansions. That's it. But since I didn't mention the dial and base...nitpicking geeks lose their minds. If I'm asking for an extra model, a safe assumption would be that I also would like a base and dial. That's common sense. I don't have an issue if you disagree or correcting me on something if you have the solid proof. But don't think its a free pass for you to start nitpicking minor, stupid details or being condescending. If that happens, I'll respond however I want.

I'm not sure where I heard this, but I think these models are made with a 3-D printer. I'll admit, that I don't know about production cost, but I don't think it would be THAT dramatic of a price increase. I'm thinking $4-$5 (which would put generic expansions at around $20) which I think is reasonable. Maybe a $10 increase at the most.

I think there have been plenty of logical reasons pointed out why this wouldn't be the discount you are hoping for. No one even mentioned that the Starviper is going to be $20 because of the increased cost of packaging.

But, since you seem more fixated on other types of responses, let's try one more time. You think that the increase would be $10 but don't want the named pilot cards. This means you think that two cards in each expansion are worth $5 on the final cost?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a two ship pack that gives a $5-10 discount. I just don't see the logic of it happening.

Try to stay with me here. Close your eyes for a second and picture the Phantom expansion you bought, with an extra model, base & dial included (for the nitpickers), with a price of $24.99. With it, comes Whisper, Echo, the generic pilots cards and tokens. Understand now? Got it? Was that hard?

I can also picture it being $5 without straining myself, that doesn't mean it makes any logical sense.

What is the company not having to include that allows them to lower the price? Are we not including extra upgrade cards, too, so now I have two phantoms and one ACD? Do I have extra generic bases for the ship, too, or am I stuck running two different ships and can't run copies of the same generic?

Several of us have pointed out that the ship is the most expensive part, hands down (don't forget they are painted, too) and that removing other elements just doesn't generate the cost savings you expect.

Again, where is FFG cutting corners to allow it to save $5 on a double pack (that's 33% of a basic expansion!) so it can pass those savings onto us?

Anyway, aside from the hope for a substantial price drop (honestly, your store has more leeway there than FFG likely does), why are 2-packs more advantageous to players than singles? It makes it more expensive to buy in, dictates the numbers you own (want 3 of a ship? You have to buy in 2s), and only avoids the 'problem' of extra cards if you stop at exactly 2 of a ship.

Just pack your extra cards in a box in the basement and buy online for the discount you're seeking.

You're not including store profit in that.

(This is coming from a small business perspective, so details might be off, but concept should hold.)

Usual MSRP markup is double. If a store sells an A-Wing for $15, they probably paid $7.50 for it.

If the cost of an A-Wing mini is, say, your $4 estimate, that leaves $3.50.

So that $3.50 covers base, cards, tokens, etc...

Development.

Marketing.

The Lucasfilm license (known to be expensive).

Packaging.

Distribution.

Wait, what?

I'm just asking for an extra base, model and dial in generic expansions for a price of $24.99 (max). And you bring up the Lucasfilm license. LOL!!!

This is the most spiteful and bitchy internet group i've ever been a part of. I frequently share these threads with my local gaming club, this is definitely this weeks winner for number of horribly obnoxious petty comments. Weird cos the SWXW regional and local fb pages for me are some of the friendliest and helpful nerd geek communities i've ever encountered.

They have to spread the massive cost of the Star Wars license across all their products.

Stop feeding the troll.

Try NOT responding and go someplace else.

Why in the world should I? You're wrong. Myself and others have proved you wrong many times. Last time I checked this was a public message board and as such I have every right to keep pointing out how wrong you are.

You clearly have NO IDEA or concept of what I'm asking for. None. Its exhausting, trying to explain it to you.

That being said...go ahead and make your last statement or point since you're one of THOSE people. I'm not interested in debating with you and further.

I understand what you want. It's you who doesn't seem to understand the business side of production of this game. I understand not wanting the wasted cards. But you fail to realize is that the price point you want isn't viable for FFG as a company. Add to the fact, that upping the price point is not a good thing for the game. Some people also only want one. And FFG has enough SKU's for stores to keep track of that adding another just to please a sub portion of the base isn't a viable business strategy.

You clearly have NO IDEA or concept of what I'm asking for.

Yes actually I do.

You want a pack that has 2 models, 2 bases, 4 posts, and a full set of pilot cards, upgrades, tokens, ect... But only one copy of anything that is unique.

It's not a hard concept to understand, although given your posts I can see why you might think so.

I'm not interested in debating with you and further.

What debate? I've simply shown why you are both wrong and lacking in any sort of logical thought process regarding this idea of yours. A debate would imply you actually had a valid point to make.

Because what you want is 2 expansion packs in 1 package, but without the extra unique cards, but somehow think that would mean a $5-10 which is a conclusion that is in no way reasonable, logical or keeping in with what has been established as FFG's price points.

You have yet to give a single compelling reason for them to do this. The best case would be someone has a few less pieces of cardboard. I have yet to see a single reason from you why this would even be better for the consumer. Extra's of stuff is pretty much always better, provided you have room to store it. 2-4 extra cards per expansion does not exactly take up a ton of room.

Try NOT responding and go someplace else.

Why in the world should I? You're wrong. Myself and others have proved you wrong many times. Last time I checked this was a public message board and as such I have every right to keep pointing out how wrong you are.

You clearly have NO IDEA or concept of what I'm asking for. None. Its exhausting, trying to explain it to you.

That being said...go ahead and make your last statement or point since you're one of THOSE people. I'm not interested in debating with you and further.

I understand what you want. It's you who doesn't seem to understand the business side of production of this game. I understand not wanting the wasted cards. But you fail to realize is that the price point you want isn't viable for FFG as a company. Add to the fact, that upping the price point is not a good thing for the game. Some people also only want one. And FFG has enough SKU's for stores to keep track of that adding another just to please a sub portion of the base isn't a viable business strategy.

I just want to say that this is currently my favourite thread.

Ok. Now THAT is a good point you just made that I didn't think of. I didn't think about those that maybe want only 1. I can go with that. I'm looking at it from a consumer that wants and extra model without extra uniques (that end up being useless). I've been playing these kinds of collectible games for years. And I'm just not into useless duplicates and being jacked over for $.

It's a fair argument to make, but dropping two cards from an expansion would result in a very negligible change in the cost, certainly not $5. If you want them to be able to discount a two ship pack by that amount, you have to have them drop significantly more than two cards.

And I'm just not into useless duplicates and being jacked over for $.

That is, as has been pointed out numerous times, just not the case.

If you were to take the few unique upgrades out of any given expansion pack, the cost would drop by maybe a dollar. Realistically, FFG isn't going to sell a pack at $28.99, when they have already established that $29.99 is the cost of a 2 ship pack.

Guys, guys, the OP is right. Clearly the most expensive part of an x-wing expansion are the 2 named pilot cards that come with them!

So, here's my idea:

I buy 1 x-wing expansion for $15... Then FFG just gives me as many additional ships as I want for free!

I'm a genius. Praise me.

This is the most spiteful and bitchy internet group i've ever been a part of. I frequently share these threads with my local gaming club, this is definitely this weeks winner for number of horribly obnoxious petty comments. Weird cos the SWXW regional and local fb pages for me are some of the friendliest and helpful nerd geek communities i've ever encountered.

It's always astounding what anonymity does to a person isn't it.

Right Ribann?

Guys, guys, the OP is right. Clearly the most expensive part of an x-wing expansion are the 2 named pilot cards that come with them!

So, here's my idea:

I buy 1 x-wing expansion for $15... Then FFG just gives me as many additional ships as I want for free!

I'm a genius. Praise me.

Now, this idea I like!

Guys, guys, the OP is right. Clearly the most expensive part of an x-wing expansion are the 2 named pilot cards that come with them!

So, here's my idea:

I buy 1 x-wing expansion for $15... Then FFG just gives me as many additional ships as I want for free!

I'm a genius. Praise me.

Now when I respond by calling you an annoying, idiot. I'll be the bad, aggressive guy.

So are you going to actually respond to the many gaping holes we've pointed out in your idea Lefthandedjedi or not?

Guys, guys, the OP is right. Clearly the most expensive part of an x-wing expansion are the 2 named pilot cards that come with them!

So, here's my idea:

I buy 1 x-wing expansion for $15... Then FFG just gives me as many additional ships as I want for free!

I'm a genius. Praise me.

Now when I respond by calling you an annoying, idiot. I'll be the bad, aggressive guy.

Why would you do that? I'm agreeing with you. FFG should give us stuff we want for free.

all other things and arguments aside, what has been said previously about the aces packs is true. It includes exactly what you are talking about. no elite duplicates, 2 ships, more than 1 of some upgrades (most people consider this a good thing) while the lettering on the cardboard bases might be different, the components and the costs should be identical. we have at least 2 examples of exaclty what you are asking for that are already out there and in production, so this need not be an exercise in hypothetical extrapolation. these products exist.

A second point: Many tournament players build with a 100 point list cap in mind. Therefore, they will never run more than 3 defenders, or e wings, most will never run more than 2, but some like to have 100 points of each ship type, so they might buy 3 phantoms, but never would they need 4. if a double pack costs twice what a single pack does (and it does,) then single packs give you greater control over how many ships you buy.

a third point: It was in fact you who were obnoxious and aggressive, and you dont seem to be interested in opinions that differ from your own, especially if they are correct and factual. If you don't want our opinion, I'd recommend not posting your thoughts here. Perhaps sir, it is you who should go elsewhere.

all other things and arguments aside, what has been said previously about the aces packs is true. It includes exactly what you are talking about. no elite duplicates, 2 ships, more than 1 of some upgrades (most people consider this a good thing) while the lettering on the cardboard bases might be different, the components and the costs should be identical. we have at least 2 examples of exaclty what you are asking for that are already out there and in production, so this need not be an exercise in hypothetical extrapolation. these products exist.

A second point: Many tournament players build with a 100 point list cap in mind. Therefore, they will never run more than 3 defenders, or e wings, most will never run more than 2, but some like to have 100 points of each ship type, so they might buy 3 phantoms, but never would they need 4. if a double pack costs twice what a single pack does (and it does,) then single packs give you greater control over how many ships you buy.

a third point: It was in fact you who were obnoxious and aggressive, and you dont seem to be interested in opinions that differ from your own, especially if they are correct and factual. If you don't want our opinion, I'd recommend not posting your thoughts here. Perhaps sir, it is you who should go elsewhere.

Your first point....been addressed

Your second point...silly

Your third point....don't care, go bother someone else

Your first point....been addressed

Not by you it hasn't. Unless you consider that nonsense you're spreading as having addressed anything.

By the way, so we're clear. "It's not the SAME!!!111" is not addressing the issue.

Your second point...silly

No in fact it's a good deal less silly than your idea is.

Your third point....don't care, go bother someone else

Then why do you keep posting here?

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