The game is already unfriendly enough for beginners who want to get upgrade cards for this in my opinion.

New players just tend to proxy which is fine outside of a tournament.

What was that chap's name? Ribann wasn't it?

Funnily enough I was thinking the same thing, kind of thread he'd start and the over aggressive responses are his style aswell.

So it isn't just me, the obvious contradicting of himself, constant lashing out, etc. I think this (Yet Another) Ribann Bot, either way, he's a troll.

Does Most Wanted count as a Scum Aces pack, you think?

I don't think so, since it has all new ships for the faction. They aren't re-releases of ships that Scum previously had and is getting new pilots for — they're the first release of all those ships for Scum.

Does Most Wanted count as a Scum Aces pack, you think?

It is but i consider it more a Scum 'Starter pack' because its not just the ships it comes with, but sets up all the other pre-existing ships too so although you're buying 3 ships, you're making 5 ships playable.

Yeah, this. Scum Core Set is a better way to look at it.

To the OP- for someone who has just joined the forum you are acting crazily aggressive and obnoxious. Benefit of the doubt and all that, maybe you are just having a bad day but I'd suggest calming down a bit. Overt hostility isn't a good way to go if you want to make a good impression with new people.

Or, as I suspect given the level of aggression, this is a sockpuppet account and you are just going to troll for a while then get banned. I'll be watching with interest but I won't be replying to you again unless the attitude changes.

My day went just fine. Thank you for the concern (not really). YOU are the one, coming to my thread, insulting me, calling me 'aggressive and obnoxious.' I don't recall saying anything like that to you, so, as far as I'm concerned, you can keep your comments to yourself. My feelings aren't really gonna be hurt if some geek (you) doesn't reply to me. Actually, I'd rather you didn't. Get gone.

One last thing. If you think I'm gonna lose a wink of sleep over getting banned from a Star Wars miniatures forum, you're sadly mistaken. I'm only here outta sheer Xmas vacation boredom. I had an idea, posted it, got bashed and defended myself. That's pretty much it. So...eff you very much. Watch THAT 'with interest'.

I'm laughing so hard right now, defending your idea? You come in say that 2 ship boxes are significantly cheaper, someone politely points out you're wrong, and you rage them, then say you never said they would be cheaper, and you just wanted 2 ship packs, without multiple uniques....

Ribann confirmed guys, move along, move along.

What was that chap's name? Ribann wasn't it?

Funnily enough I was thinking the same thing, kind of thread he'd start and the over aggressive responses are his style aswell.

So it isn't just me, the obvious contradicting of himself, constant lashing out, etc. I think this (Yet Another) Ribann Bot, either way, he's a troll.

And since you seem to think I'm someone else, or a troll, why are you contributing to the thread. You can dismiss yourself, too.

Since you are clearly a troll, and I'm just having a slow day, I don't feel like feeding you, but here's one example

"I'm simply asking that an extra model and base be included."

"With 2 models...would come 2 dials. Like I said...more $$$ than intelligence."

If that isn't contradicting, this isn't an X-wing forum.

There is so little benefit in this idea that there is quite simply no reason to do it.

FFG would have to come up with new packaging and a new process to make a 2 ship pack, that offers no real value over buying 2 single ship expansions.

There would be no reduction in price between the two, you'd pay $30 either way. There would however be an increase in the shelf space taken, because you can fit way more than 2 Tie interceptors expansions in the size of a Imp Ace box.

Even if they got the packaging size down, this is still a net loss for FFG, because they have to pay to design the new packing system, yet they won't see an increase in sales, because once again the cost will be the same.

$30 for a double ship package vs $15x2 for two single ship expansions.

Since you are clearly a troll, and I'm just having a slow day, I don't feel like feeding you, but here's one example"I'm simply asking that an extra model and base be included.""With 2 models...would come 2 dials. Like I said...more $$$ than intelligence."If that isn't contradicting, this isn't an X-wing forum.

Is that it? So, you think I was just asking for a model and base without the dial, initially? If that's what you think...I got nothin for you. When you bought your car, did it have tires? Or did you have to ask for them seperately? Did the dealer say to you...'sorry, dude. We are just selling the car. The tires don't come with it.'

Again...if you think Im a troll...why are you responding?

Since you are clearly a troll, and I'm just having a slow day, I don't feel like feeding you, but here's one example"I'm simply asking that an extra model and base be included.""With 2 models...would come 2 dials. Like I said...more $$$ than intelligence."If that isn't contradicting, this isn't an X-wing forum.

Is that it? So, you think I was just asking for a model and base without the dial, initially? If that's what you think...I got nothin for you. When you bought your car, did it have tires? Or did you have to ask for them seperately? Did the dealer say to you...'sorry, dude. We are just selling the car. The tires don't come with it.'

Again...if you think Im a troll...why are you responding?

Because I'm bored.

And you did specifically say just a base and model, clearly excluding anything else.

Since you are clearly a troll, and I'm just having a slow day, I don't feel like feeding you, but here's one example"I'm simply asking that an extra model and base be included.""With 2 models...would come 2 dials. Like I said...more $$$ than intelligence."If that isn't contradicting, this isn't an X-wing forum.

Is that it? So, you think I was just asking for a model and base without the dial, initially? If that's what you think...I got nothin for you. When you bought your car, did it have tires? Or did you have to ask for them seperately? Did the dealer say to you...'sorry, dude. We are just selling the car. The tires don't come with it.'Again...if you think Im a troll...why are you responding?

Because I'm bored.And you did specifically say just a base and model, clearly excluding anything else.

I don't think you're bored. I just think you're an annoying idiot.

If you post an idea in a forum, and you don't want people making their case for the other side, what exactly do you want?

If you post an idea in a forum, and you don't want people making their case for the other side, what exactly do you want?

All I really was suggesting is that an extra model be included in the generics ship model expansions. That's it. But since I didn't mention the dial and base...nitpicking geeks lose their minds. If I'm asking for an extra model, a safe assumption would be that I also would like a base and dial. That's common sense. I don't have an issue if you disagree or correcting me on something if you have the solid proof. But don't think its a free pass for you to start nitpicking minor, stupid details or being condescending. If that happens, I'll respond however I want.

I'm not sure where I heard this, but I think these models are made with a 3-D printer. I'll admit, that I don't know about production cost, but I don't think it would be THAT dramatic of a price increase. I'm thinking $4-$5 (which would put generic expansions at around $20) which I think is reasonable. Maybe a $10 increase at the most.

I'll admit, that I don't know about production cost

Then you have no place to make a judgement on how much the cost should increase. $4-5 for what is effectively a 2nd expansion minus 2-4 cards is in no way even coming close to reasonable.

The two Aces boxes both cost $30, so it's pretty easy to see that all other double ship boxes will also cost $30. Expecting anything else is wishful thinking at best.

Why do you think that the removal of 2 cards and one cardboard insert would result in a 5-10 dollar drop in price. Tack on the change in printing production to give you 2 sided generics instead along with new packaging, how can you conclude that there would as high as a 30 decrease in price?

If you post an idea in a forum, and you don't want people making their case for the other side, what exactly do you want?

All I really was suggesting is that an extra model be included in the generics ship model expansions. That's it. But since I didn't mention the dial and base...nitpicking geeks lose their minds. If I'm asking for an extra model, a safe assumption would be that I also would like a base and dial. That's common sense. I don't have an issue if you disagree or correcting me on something if you have the solid proof. But don't think its a free pass for you to start nitpicking minor, stupid details or being condescending. If that happens, I'll respond however I want.

I'm not sure where I heard this, but I think these models are made with a 3-D printer. I'll admit, that I don't know about production cost, but I don't think it would be THAT dramatic of a price increase. I'm thinking $4-$5 (which would put generic expansions at around $20) which I think is reasonable. Maybe a $10 increase at the most.

I think there have been plenty of logical reasons pointed out why this wouldn't be the discount you are hoping for. No one even mentioned that the Starviper is going to be $20 because of the increased cost of packaging.

But, since you seem more fixated on other types of responses, let's try one more time. You think that the increase would be $10 but don't want the named pilot cards. This means you think that two cards in each expansion are worth $5 on the final cost?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a two ship pack that gives a $5-10 discount. I just don't see the logic of it happening.

I'll admit, that I don't know about production cost

Then you have no place to make a judgement on how much the cost should increase. $4-5 for what is effectively a 2nd expansion minus 2-4 cards is in no way even coming close to reasonable.The two Aces boxes both cost $30, so it's pretty easy to see that all other double ship boxes will also cost $30. Expecting anything else is wishful thinking at best.

Why does everyone continue to bring up 'Imperial Aces'!?! I clealy said GENERIC EXPANSIONS!!! This is a specialty expansion!!! Impeial Aces IS NOT GENERIC!!! Poor example. By generic, I mean, Phantons, Headhunters, A-Wings, etc.

And I have a coworker that has a 3-D printer and I know what he spends on supplies. I don't know a lot...but I know something about 3-D production cost. Explain what YOU know about 3-D production costs.

Since you are clearly a troll, and I'm just having a slow day, I don't feel like feeding you, but here's one example"I'm simply asking that an extra model and base be included.""With 2 models...would come 2 dials. Like I said...more $$$ than intelligence."If that isn't contradicting, this isn't an X-wing forum.

Is that it? So, you think I was just asking for a model and base without the dial, initially? If that's what you think...I got nothin for you. When you bought your car, did it have tires? Or did you have to ask for them seperately? Did the dealer say to you...'sorry, dude. We are just selling the car. The tires don't come with it.'Again...if you think Im a troll...why are you responding?

Because I'm bored.And you did specifically say just a base and model, clearly excluding anything else.

I don't think you're bored. I just think you're an annoying idiot.

And some of us think you're a ******... you could be polite but it seems to not be in your nature..

Attacks on people are ineffective when asking opinions..

Glad thisnisnjust holiday boredom for you as it means you won't be around after.. or we can hope...

Rude and obnoxious behavior will be met in kind, or reported.. have a nice day

If you post an idea in a forum, and you don't want people making their case for the other side, what exactly do you want?

All I really was suggesting is that an extra model be included in the generics ship model expansions. That's it. But since I didn't mention the dial and base...nitpicking geeks lose their minds. If I'm asking for an extra model, a safe assumption would be that I also would like a base and dial. That's common sense. I don't have an issue if you disagree or correcting me on something if you have the solid proof. But don't think its a free pass for you to start nitpicking minor, stupid details or being condescending. If that happens, I'll respond however I want.

I'm not sure where I heard this, but I think these models are made with a 3-D printer. I'll admit, that I don't know about production cost, but I don't think it would be THAT dramatic of a price increase. I'm thinking $4-$5 (which would put generic expansions at around $20) which I think is reasonable. Maybe a $10 increase at the most.

I think there have been plenty of logical reasons pointed out why this wouldn't be the discount you are hoping for. No one even mentioned that the Starviper is going to be $20 because of the increased cost of packaging.

But, since you seem more fixated on other types of responses, let's try one more time. You think that the increase would be $10 but don't want the named pilot cards. This means you think that two cards in each expansion are worth $5 on the final cost?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a two ship pack that gives a $5-10 discount. I just don't see the logic of it happening.

Why does everyone continue to bring up 'Imperial Aces'!?!

Because that like Rebel Aces is the only 2 ship pack we have? I mean is that really a concept that's too hard to understand?

The fact that it's not generic means nothing. It doesn't cost more to produce non-generic ships then it does generic ones. So your whole post is a bunch of illogical nonsense.

You base your whole concept on things you admit you don't actually know, yet you expect us to simply accept what you say as true, and a valid reason to price something.

I don't have to know jack about 3-D production costs, because I can look at the prices they charge right now, and say that there is no way possible they'll reduce the price as much as you think they should. It just isn't going to happen.

You have yet to offer a single logical reason why they should, all you have is wishful thinking, or nonsense statements like the one I'm responding to.

Why does everyone continue to bring up 'Imperial Aces'!?! I clealy said GENERIC EXPANSIONS!!! This is a specialty expansion!!! Impeial Aces IS NOT GENERIC!!! Poor example. By generic, I mean, Phantons, Headhunters, A-Wings, etc.

And I have a coworker that has a 3-D printer and I know what he spends on supplies. I don't know a lot...but I know something about 3-D production cost. Explain what YOU know about 3-D production costs.

Please explain to me, like I'm five, what the big difference is between two TIE Interceptor packs and the Imperial Aces and why 2 Interceptors only warrants a hike of $5 and the other is worth double the price in your mind.

with a price of 24.99.

The price of the cards not included doesn't come anywhere near $5, so why would they discount it that much? What possible reason is there for them to offer a product at a loss?

I'll admit, that I don't know about production cost

Then you have no place to make a judgement on how much the cost should increase. $4-5 for what is effectively a 2nd expansion minus 2-4 cards is in no way even coming close to reasonable.The two Aces boxes both cost $30, so it's pretty easy to see that all other double ship boxes will also cost $30. Expecting anything else is wishful thinking at best.

Why does everyone continue to bring up 'Imperial Aces'!?! I clealy said GENERIC EXPANSIONS!!! This is a specialty expansion!!! Impeial Aces IS NOT GENERIC!!! Poor example. By generic, I mean, Phantons, Headhunters, A-Wings, etc.

And I have a coworker that has a 3-D printer and I know what he spends on supplies. I don't know a lot...but I know something about 3-D production cost. Explain what YOU know about 3-D production costs.

Because Imperial Aces is exactly the amount of material that would come in a two ship pack; it's just printed opposite of what you want. In that pack, two types generics weren't included in favor of more named pilots and the RG. If you reverse the idea, dropping the RG and a couple of named pilots to include more generics, you have exactly the pack you are looking for. The printing and material cost are exactly the same.

Why does everyone continue to bring up 'Imperial Aces'!?!

Because that like Rebel Aces is the only 2 ship pack we have? I mean is that really a concept that's too hard to understand?The fact that it's not generic means nothing. It doesn't cost more to produce non-generic ships then it does generic ones. So your whole post is a bunch of illogical nonsense.You base your whole concept on things you admit you don't actually know, yet you expect us to simply accept what you say as true, and a valid reason to price something.I don't have to know jack about 3-D production costs, because I can look at the prices they charge right now, and say that there is no way possible they'll reduce the price as much as you think they should. It just isn't going to happen.You have yet to offer a single logical reason why they should, all you have is wishful thinking, or nonsense statements like the one I'm responding to.

Then fine. Try NOT responding and go someplace else.

I'll admit, that I don't know about production cost

Then you have no place to make a judgement on how much the cost should increase. $4-5 for what is effectively a 2nd expansion minus 2-4 cards is in no way even coming close to reasonable.The two Aces boxes both cost $30, so it's pretty easy to see that all other double ship boxes will also cost $30. Expecting anything else is wishful thinking at best.

Why does everyone continue to bring up 'Imperial Aces'!?! I clealy said GENERIC EXPANSIONS!!! This is a specialty expansion!!! Impeial Aces IS NOT GENERIC!!! Poor example. By generic, I mean, Phantons, Headhunters, A-Wings, etc.

And I have a coworker that has a 3-D printer and I know what he spends on supplies. I don't know a lot...but I know something about 3-D production cost. Explain what YOU know about 3-D production costs.

What does he spend on packaging and design? What are his shipping costs? Taxes? Customs Fees? Legal fees? Labor costs? What's his marketing budget? Where kind of profit margin is he looking at?

Or is he just dumping plastic into a machine and seeing what comes out. There are slot of sunk costs that the company already pays that would be increased by your move. We have all told you why this won't work...now I am sure you will find some piddly way to dismiss my questions and that is fine...you certainly haven't endeared yourself to anyone on here. I think most of us are just laughing watching you flail about now. I know I am enjoying.it.