We, evidently aren't gonna see 'eye-to-eye on this. Go bother someone else, please.

Now wait, I'm really curious, maybe I'm not understanding you, so correct me if I'm wrong.

You buy two expansion packs of the same ship (say E-Wing).

The E-Wing comes with a generic Astromech and single copies each of Outmaneuver, a Torpedo and Advanced Sensors.

It also comes with two generic pilots, a unique astromech and two uniques.

And all the cardboard needed to fly the ship such as tokens and the dial.

You would like a pack of two ships containing all the stuff you need but no duplicates of the uniques. Now, that I can understand, I find it a minor quibble but whatever.

But how do you reason that the removal of 2 pilot cards, one astromech card and not printing the pilot bases for Etahn and Corran twice equals a reduction of 50 to 60% of the price?

Or have I completely misread your opening post?

What is it that you don't get? I Simply just want to have multiple ship models, but I don't need multiple copies of Soontir, Wedge, Whisper, WHOEVER! That's pretty much it!!!! A price increase would be fine! If you can justify whatever amount, cool! Whatever. I don't get what so complicated about a dude not needing to have multiple copies of unique pilots and but wanting duplicate models.

Obviously everyone is missing the real genius of the OP's plan: FFG can sell the Unique cards separately in card packs with no ships! FFG is so stupid, they could've been doing this the whole time and they'd have like soOOOooo000oo many more players! It's like they don't like free money!!!11

What is it that you don't get? I Simply just want to have multiple ship models, but I don't need multiple copies of Soontir, Wedge, Whisper, WHOEVER! That's pretty much it!!!! A price increase would be fine! If you can justify whatever amount, cool! Whatever. I don't get what so complicated about a dude not needing to have multiple copies of unique pilots and but wanting duplicate models.

I give up.

Are you saying that you want duplicate models just for display? Without any intention of using them in the game? Because if so that is the sort of thing you should mention, because that completely changes the conversation. Doesn't make it any better of an idea, but the main reasons it won't work are somewhat different.

If, though, you do want the models to play in the game, then you will also need most of the other paraphernalia that comes with them, dials and inserts and generic pilot cards and upgrades and tokens. If that is what you mean then so far you haven't addressed the issue that everyone has been telling you, that there would be no price savings. It is cheaper to just print duplicates of the unique stuff and let the players keep or trash them as they see fit.

We, evidently aren't gonna see 'eye-to-eye on this. Go bother someone else, please.

Now wait, I'm really curious, maybe I'm not understanding you, so correct me if I'm wrong.

You buy two expansion packs of the same ship (say E-Wing).

The E-Wing comes with a generic Astromech and single copies each of Outmaneuver, a Torpedo and Advanced Sensors.

It also comes with two generic pilots, a unique astromech and two uniques.

And all the cardboard needed to fly the ship such as tokens and the dial.

You would like a pack of two ships containing all the stuff you need but no duplicates of the uniques. Now, that I can understand, I find it a minor quibble but whatever.

But how do you reason that the removal of 2 pilot cards, one astromech card and not printing the pilot bases for Etahn and Corran twice equals a reduction of 50 to 60% of the price?

Or have I completely misread your opening post?

What is it that you don't get? I Simply just want to have multiple ship models, but I don't need multiple copies of Soontir, Wedge, Whisper, WHOEVER! That's pretty much it!!!! A price increase would be fine! If you can justify whatever amount, cool! Whatever. I don't get what so complicated about a dude not needing to have multiple copies of unique pilots and but wanting duplicate models.

We, evidently aren't gonna see 'eye-to-eye on this. Go bother someone else, please.

Now wait, I'm really curious, maybe I'm not understanding you, so correct me if I'm wrong.

You buy two expansion packs of the same ship (say E-Wing).

The E-Wing comes with a generic Astromech and single copies each of Outmaneuver, a Torpedo and Advanced Sensors.

It also comes with two generic pilots, a unique astromech and two uniques.

And all the cardboard needed to fly the ship such as tokens and the dial.

You would like a pack of two ships containing all the stuff you need but no duplicates of the uniques. Now, that I can understand, I find it a minor quibble but whatever.

But how do you reason that the removal of 2 pilot cards, one astromech card and not printing the pilot bases for Etahn and Corran twice equals a reduction of 50 to 60% of the price?

Or have I completely misread your opening post?

What is it that you don't get? I Simply just want to have multiple ship models, but I don't need multiple copies of Soontir, Wedge, Whisper, WHOEVER! That's pretty much it!!!! A price increase would be fine! If you can justify whatever amount, cool! Whatever. I don't get what so complicated about a dude not needing to have multiple copies of unique pilots and but wanting duplicate models.

I think what people are suggesting is that it would end up being there or thereabouts to the same price for the two ship pack (like Imperial Aces, for example) as buying two ships individually.

One perk is that if you have the extra cards in case you play near lots of drinks (things tend to be spilled) have young kids/pets that like putting things in their mouths, having spares is always nice. Yes you could buy card sleeves, but if you have 2-3 spares why spend the money?

Wait, what are you talking about?

If you're spilling drinks, ruining your cards or you're leaving your models and cards out for kids & pets to eat...you've got a whole different set of issues.

Or you don't play exclusively at stores, or there are kids at the stores who may want to watch the game, somebody 2 tables down bumps a table, earthquakes if you live in that region of the country/world, crap just happens sometimes, and rather than complain about extras being included and raising a product cost by a buck or two I just look at the positives

What would REALLY be nice is if they included MORE THAN 1 SHIP IN EXPANSIONS. I think 2 TIE Phantoms, X-Wings, Interceptors, etc, per expansion pack, would be great (large ships/specialty expansions are exempt, of course)! Recently, I bought 2 Phantoms and 2 E-Wings, separately, at $15 each, but I don't need two Coran Horns or Whisper/Echo pilots, or duplicate cards. Sadly, the only way to get duplicate ships is by purchasing the individual expansions. I'd even be ok if they boosted the price $4-$5 for the extra model. Like most gamers, I'm on a limited budget and I'd like to get the most for my $$$...not wasting it. Who agrees?

Here is what you need to do ... you need to hook up with the OP and supporting folks in the:

http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/129537-should-ffg-sell-cards-without-ships/

thread. You can keep the ships, and they can keep the cards. Everyone wins.

IRT OP:

i dont know about you guys, but normally, if i dont need the upgrade cards, sometimes stores on ebay will have the ships with dial and nothing else for like 8 or 9 bucks. if i dont need the upgrades and such, i normally will buy them, but it depends on what is in the pack and what i get. some will sell the ship only for 5.oo i have seen, but it includes the ship only, not even the stand or dial, so that seems kind of useless to me.

I would rather have special 2 ship boxes like the aces, than have two of the same ship packaged together for more money than buying two of the same ship and pulling out a couple unique cards.

This type of packaging would also confuse people as to what they should buy.

Hey they already answered you request.

Come to think of it they answered it a couple of years ago.

And this, my friends, is why we need moderators.

O NOES I HAS A EXTRA COPIES OF CORRAN!!!!!111

Geez, have you ever played a CCG?

This guys a troll. As if you wouldn't just ignore the extra cards.

He's trolling...

To the OP- for someone who has just joined the forum you are acting crazily aggressive and obnoxious. Benefit of the doubt and all that, maybe you are just having a bad day but I'd suggest calming down a bit. Overt hostility isn't a good way to go if you want to make a good impression with new people.

Or, as I suspect given the level of aggression, this is a sockpuppet account and you are just going to troll for a while then get banned. I'll be watching with interest but I won't be replying to you again unless the attitude changes.

The savings wouldn't be all that much, not nearly as much as you'd think.

You still need a base, you still need the generic pilots, you still need all the other cardboard.

So basically, what you want is that two of the generic pilot tiles have no printing on the reverse side.

That is in no way cheaper. Maybe, just maybe, 2 cents.

Are you being serious? Or are you a troll? Or do you work for FF games? Or is it all 3?

I'm simply asking that an extra model and base be included. That's it. Sorry, but I don't feel that's unreasonable. Furthermore, it seems you have more money than intelligence if you think that buying 5 Headhunter expansions is Okl because you wanna build a swarm. Tell me...what do you do with all the duplicate unique cards, genius?

I appreciate your '2 cents', but not really.

Scuze the living hell out of me? You call that trolling?

So you just want the extra model and base.

You think you don't need a dial? How about shield tokens, would you like some of those perhaps? Target locks? Focus, evade, ship identifiers? You need baseplates for the generics and guess what's printed on the other side of the generics? Might it be those unique pilots that you don't want duplicates of? Oh, wow, it might! The E-Wing comes with an Advanced Sensor, well, in this double pack, lets not put any duplicates!

And sure, maybe you are swimming in focus and evade tokens and have more than you know what to do with, but it is FFG's policy to provide each model what it needs to be played so that people can pick up a ship and rest assured they can actually play with it.

So, pilot card and unique pilot baseplate print, that's all you don't want. How much do you think it would save FFG and you?

With 2 models...would come 2 dials. Like I said...more $$$ than intelligence.

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To the OP- for someone who has just joined the forum you are acting crazily aggressive and obnoxious. Benefit of the doubt and all that, maybe you are just having a bad day but I'd suggest calming down a bit. Overt hostility isn't a good way to go if you want to make a good impression with new people.

Or, as I suspect given the level of aggression, this is a sockpuppet account and you are just going to troll for a while then get banned. I'll be watching with interest but I won't be replying to you again unless the attitude changes.

My day went just fine. Thank you for the concern (not really). YOU are the one, coming to my thread, insulting me, calling me 'aggressive and obnoxious.' I don't recall saying anything like that to you, so, as far as I'm concerned, you can keep your comments to yourself. My feelings aren't really gonna be hurt if some geek (you) doesn't reply to me. Actually, I'd rather you didn't. Get gone.

One last thing. If you think I'm gonna lose a wink of sleep over getting banned from a Star Wars miniatures forum, you're sadly mistaken. I'm only here outta sheer Xmas vacation boredom. I had an idea, posted it, got bashed and defended myself. That's pretty much it. So...eff you very much. Watch THAT 'with interest'.

What was that chap's name? Ribann wasn't it?

Well, there are Aces packs.

This isn't gonna happen. It'd be great, but it won't. Ships are the big limiting factor, but are also the most expensive. Cards and cardboard is cheap. Super detailed plastic minis are not.

Most of the cost I think is design. Well painted plastic minis aren't cheap to manufacture but they're not that expensive when mass produced.

That being said, FFG aren't going to doublepack the minis. Why would they?

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What was that chap's name? Ribann wasn't it?

Funnily enough I was thinking the same thing, kind of thread he'd start and the over aggressive responses are his style aswell.

It should be fairly obvious that the plastic is the most expensive material in each box. The Decimator was $10 extra because of it's larger size, so there' no money to be saved there. Imperial aces pack is almost exactly what you are looking for and cost the same as two expansions.

The only cost that would be saved is a double printing of the named pilots. The cardboard is printed with generics on one side and uniques on the other, so even that isn't saved, and FFG designing another piece of cardboard for a dual set probably isn't worth it since, again, the savings would be minimal.

Really not worth it.

Besides, if they double pack all the ships and remove the extra unique elements, what happens when you want more than 2 of that ship?

Besides, if they double pack all the ships and remove the extra unique elements, what happens when you want more than 2 of that ship?

What happens if you only want three?

Besides, if they double pack all the ships and remove the extra unique elements, what happens when you want more than 2 of that ship?

What happens if you only want three?

The answer is....triple packs!