I would love to love the Raider but I cannot.

The solar wings on the Raider serve only one purpose: To make the ship look fancy and cool.

To me, it makes the Raider look like a kids toy from a freaking action figures toy range like some super villian vessel in Badman intended to look evillish and somehow its design wont fit into the Galactic Empire Era.

Even those hatches don't look like it would be possible to turn them to the sides, like the fire arcs on the base suggest. Just look at the arcs at the rear section ... where are the guns there? There are only those meaningless wings .....

So I still want ot have one, but it need to be customized.

I'm going to build the Raider II.

My first duty was to load may favourite foto editing program and grapped an image of the Raider and one of the Vigil-Class.

I removed the wings and the hatches for the best results I could and added turrtes and parts from bridge section of the Vigil. I am not completely satisfied with the results but this is I intend to do. I don't know how those Turrets could be done yet, because I'm not an experienced modeller, but this will be my project.

If there are people with experience in modelling out there sympathizing with this project or have similar thoughts, help and advice is warmly welcomed when the time has come.

Now let the images speak. Here are the first WIP mockups:

I wanted to include those iconic Star Destroyer sensor globes above bridge section first, but I decided to make it just a bit more busy with a few Vigil-Class sensor equipment - since this is no Star Destroyer.

You are welcomed to share your thoughts.

Maybe it's because its a static model but I imagine that the Panels are flush against the hull when cruising and deployed when in combat.

If I'm recalling correctly the ARC-170 and the X-Wing had their S-Foils (strike-foils) to 'bleed heat' from the Cannons

The gun emplacements when zoomed in appear they could be even be 'pop-ups'

The aesthetics of the Raider seem very much in line with such large ships as the Fury-class and the Sith Infiltrator.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fury-class_Imperial_interceptor

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Infiltrator

Given its role as a transition ship between small craft and capital ships, it makes sense that it would borrow elements from both. Besides, those panels would make great heat radiator surfaces, and since heat is a huge deal in space combat (no convection cooling, and everything you do generates waste heat that must be dealt with) it makes a lot of sense for a ship too small to have internal heat sinking capability but too big to have a favorable surface-to-volume ratio to have radiator panels.

They make less sense as solar panels, though maybe they could be useful to supplement reactor output when engaging in rapid-fire point defense work with multiple laser cannon batteries.

Respect.

I for one think you should go for it. May it be as cool as the mockups, or better.

I like the Raider as it is, but if you would prefer to alter it I say "have fun". I may even request a Raider II for myself, to command the Raiders in their glorious campaigns.

OK now I really want one.

Now I quite like the Raider, but that doesn't mean I can appreciate your version of the raider. Certainly looks a bit more like a proper StarDestroyer. Seems to be a fairly simple mod/conversion, however we don't know how it looks from below yet and that has the potential to complicate matters.

If you want to alter it, more power to you.

Just be prepared for a long wait until you actually get your hands on one. Who knows? Maybe the original design will grow on you

Thanks guys

I think I really fall in love into this cross or a Raider and the Vigil. So, there will be no solar wing Raider in my display cabinet.

Maybe I'll try a mockup with Victory-Class winglets. Seems that those are really kind of huge s-foils, containing a battery of anti-fighter lasers. Or are those missile launchers?

The difficult part will be to produce the turrets. Maybe there are plastic model kits of WW2 warships with proper turrets that could be used. Or it would be best to learn to use a 3D modelling program and get the stuff printed. So this won't be easy to me.

True we don't know how the struts that connect the solar wings to the hull look like, so I don't know how ugly it would look like if you snap the wings off.

Sorry, the Raider is a work of art, and your version pales by comparison...

You finaly get something you've been wanting for so long.. and you don't like it.. really... the most gorgeous ship they have made to date.. gone in on it with LFL to boot... created something with a wedge shape and sized perfectly for this game because they want scale to be serious.. and important.. and you dont like it... wow...

People amaze me some days...

FFG:here guys, this is what you've been asking for, this amazing ship is for you.. it even has that fix for the advanced you wanted...

XWINGER: oh, that's nice.. whats with these winglets here.. think I'll rip those off...

Really... sigh

Thoughts towards the Raider II project.

The Raider I has 6 Dual HLC mounts, considering your current ideas want the Main Batteries lined up on the Dorsal in front of the bridge you may want to make it 3 Quad Turrets (thinking 2x2 configuration) or 4 Triple Turrets.

The Bridge section could be an In-set Victory Bridge Tower. Basically a slightly Raised T-Section from the Hull. This would allow the sensor domes you desire, although I think Dishes would be more appropriate for the size and class. (complete remodeling of the bridge section would require a great deal of effort)

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Of course you'd link an image of a Victory SD the moment I typed the about the bridge section...

As for the Winglets That would probably be a good replacement for the Wing-Panels.

For the Ventral Panel maybe put a Reactor Blister in its place (the difference between a Tector-class and Imperial-class)

Sorry, the Raider is a work of art, and your version pales by comparison...

You finaly get something you've been wanting for so long.. and you don't like it.. really... the most gorgeous ship they have made to date.. gone in on it with LFL to boot... created something with a wedge shape and sized perfectly for this game because they want scale to be serious.. and important.. and you dont like it... wow...

People amaze me some days...

FFG:here guys, this is what you've been asking for, this amazing ship is for you.. it even has that fix for the advanced you wanted...

XWINGER: oh, that's nice.. whats with these winglets here.. think I'll rip those off...

Really... sigh

It's Sleek too sleek? I'm sure a good number of people love the design, I quite like it; I almost want 3 of them (need 3 more TIE/X1s anyway)

And some people like projects... Painting / Remodeling / House Ruling.

Lots of people dislike the look of the E-Wing others think the model is beautiful. The difference is modding an E-Wing starts at 15$ whereas this would start at 100$.

If someone wants to they'll do it, either sit back and watch or lend a hand so a fellow Hobbyist doesn't burn their 100$ with poor planning.

Sorry, the Raider is a work of art, and your version pales by comparison...

You finaly get something you've been wanting for so long.. and you don't like it.. really... the most gorgeous ship they have made to date.. gone in on it with LFL to boot... created something with a wedge shape and sized perfectly for this game because they want scale to be serious.. and important.. and you dont like it... wow...

People amaze me some days...

FFG:here guys, this is what you've been asking for, this amazing ship is for you.. it even has that fix for the advanced you wanted...

XWINGER: oh, that's nice.. whats with these winglets here.. think I'll rip those off...

Really... sigh

It's Sleek too sleek? I'm sure a good number of people love the design, I quite like it; I almost want 3 of them (need 3 more TIE/X1s anyway)

And some people like projects... Painting / Remodeling / House Ruling.

Lots of people dislike the look of the E-Wing others think the model is beautiful. The difference is modding an E-Wing starts at 15$ whereas this would start at 100$.

If someone wants to they'll do it, either sit back and watch or lend a hand so a fellow Hobbyist doesn't burn their 100$ with poor planning.

so in other words, I'm not allowed to state my opinion if it isn't advice, or support? I don't know where you live, but in the USA, Freedom of Speech exists.

@oneway

I appreciate that you share your thoughts.

The base body of this model is perfect. I like it better then the Vigil's

But I dislike the fancy adornements and I miss real turrets.

@lvlerlin

I just pretend that this are fast-firing HLC ... just look at the size.

3 tripple turrets are an alternative worth to think about.

As for the bridge section of a Vic: I think this would be beyond my capabilities.

After all, I don't plan to ruin the model

so in other words, I'm not allowed to state my opinion if it isn't advice, or support? I don't know where you live, but in the USA, Freedom of Speech exists.

Just because it's a pet peeve: Freedom of Speech applies only to the government suppressing your speech. It doesn't mean you just get to say whatever you want whenever you want in any situation.

so in other words, I'm not allowed to state my opinion if it isn't advice, or support? I don't know where you live, but in the USA, Freedom of Speech exists.

Just because it's a pet peeve: Freedom of Speech applies only to the government suppressing your speech. It doesn't mean you just get to say whatever you want whenever you want in any situation.

Yes however, the person I quoted implied that I had no right to say anything other than I like the OP's work and agree with his opinion.

I would flatten the overall body. IMO the raider looks less like a piece of pie and more like an ice cream cone. Then I would make the superstructure stand up from the main hull a little more. If you really want a SD globe on the superstructure, I would move the bridge forward a little bit and stick the globe, or a partial one, on a little shelf behind it.

****, that all actually sounds really cool looking. Now I want to make one too.

so in other words, I'm not allowed to state my opinion if it isn't advice, or support? I don't know where you live, but in the USA, Freedom of Speech exists.

Just because it's a pet peeve: Freedom of Speech applies only to the government suppressing your speech. It doesn't mean you just get to say whatever you want whenever you want in any situation.

Yes however, the person I quoted implied that I had no right to say anything other than I like the OP's work and agree with his opinion.

That's cool and all, but it doesn't have anything to do with freedom of speech.

I think it's fine. Lots of ships have those panel-y things, so I feel like it fits well with the current designs

so in other words, I'm not allowed to state my opinion if it isn't advice, or support? I don't know where you live, but in the USA, Freedom of Speech exists.

Just because it's a pet peeve: Freedom of Speech applies only to the government suppressing your speech. It doesn't mean you just get to say whatever you want whenever you want in any situation.

Actually it does. That's called the right to peaceful assembly(protest), which only has narrow restrictions on time of day, volume of sound amplifying equipment used, and restricts it to the very broad idea of Public Space which includes on the property of government buildings so long as the assembly takes place on portions of the property that have been designated public, and does not actively or maliciously interfere with that buildings performance of duties, which is equally held as law over even to government that creates that law, by the Constitution. No law in the US may restrict the content of your speech in any way though. Period. So yeah we can say whatever we want in private assembly, and in public assembly so long as it's between like 6am and 9pm or whatever and on public property which is plentiful. Private property owners may give access to the public to engage in assembly under their own rules. In some cases permits may be required, but the lack of a permit is not grounds to break up a...y'know what...Educate yourself, here A good Resource

Overall, the desogn isn't bad (this raider 2) and if there was no Raider, I probably wouldn't have much to say on it, as many here scratch build ships all the time...

I guess I'm just amazed anyone wouldn't like the ship they are giving us.. it is really well done aesthetically.

I'll only say this on the freedom of speech deal.. yes it's about the gov stopping ideas and thoughts. Many people use it to indicate they can say what they want... and they can, but the freedom of speech does not stop others from giving their opinion as well. Meaning.. what you say can give others an opportunity to let you know what they feel as well...

I do understand what happened there but.. kind of a pet peeve of mine as well.. I think he ment we should give constructive criticism or positive reinforcement.. sometimes this is why I dont respond to a thread...

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I do understand what happened there but.. kind of a pet peeve of mine as well.. I think he ment we should give constructive criticism or positive reinforcement.. sometimes this is why I dont respond to a thread...

Thanks One, well said. Was thinking of how best to put pen to paper.

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I do understand what happened there but.. kind of a pet peeve of mine as well.. I think he ment we should give constructive criticism or positive reinforcement.. sometimes this is why I dont respond to a thread...

Thanks One, well said. Was thinking of how best to put pen to paper.

I'd hit like for this... but I'm all out today... lol..

I'll be honest, just no. You are basically Frankensteining two ships together that serve two vastly different roles. You are trying to weld X-wing cannons to an A-wing. It doesn't look good. Nor does it fit the profile of the ship. The cannon mounts on the raider would also be much less likely to be destroyed from small ship armaments unlike your proposed change, which seems counter productive seeing as the ships main prey would be those smaller ships.

Frankensteining? Lol!

I really like this word.

I appreciate your disagreement.

If future spoilers uncover that this ship actually is equipped with a stealth device and this wings are to establish a stealth screen, the funny design of the Raider would make sense - even the hatches for its guns. And I would probably think better of its design, because it actually would make sense. And I would gladly appreciate that the guys from FFG made their homework and spend hours and days about how a 150m stealth ship could look like and how the stealth technology could work and stuff...

Until then, I enjoy developing an imperial corvette that fits my taste.

What do you think of this:

http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/95035-imp-my-ride/

I like it. Especially i like the turbolaser turrets ^^

Meanwhile I tried to add WW2 battlecruiser turrets to the Raider II

Those maybe are too WW2-ish and too bulky, but I enjoy the overall look of it. Maybe just make them smaller a bit.

I share it with you