1- While the Raider has significantly less mass than the CR-90, it also appears to have only one drive engine. Would the reduced mass keep the Raider moving at a decent speed with reduced engines?
This question doesn't really make any sense. They're in space. You only need engines for accelerating. Unless another force is acting on the ship, it keeps travelling at the same speed without any motive force at all.
Also, for completeness sake: corvette and frigate are the same thing,
No, they're not.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corvette
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Frigate
And not even on this planet are they the same thing.
This question doesn't really make any sense. They're in space. You only need engines for accelerating. Unless another force is acting on the ship, it keeps travelling at the same speed without any motive force at all.
This is Star Wars. There's bloody drag on the space ships.
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... physics were different.
This question doesn't really make any sense. They're in space. You only need engines for accelerating. Unless another force is acting on the ship, it keeps travelling at the same speed without any motive force at all.
This is Star Wars. There's bloody drag on the space ships.
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... physics were different.
Yup, same place where Humans and Wookies can walk into the stomach of a giant worm. in space. with only a mask for breathing.
This question doesn't really make any sense. They're in space. You only need engines for accelerating. Unless another force is acting on the ship, it keeps travelling at the same speed without any motive force at all.
This is Star Wars. There's bloody drag on the space ships.
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... physics were different.
Yup, same place where Humans and Wookies can walk into the stomach of a giant worm. in space. with only a mask for breathing.
There is drag because of the emissions from billions of engines over thousands of years.
The giant space worm evolved a natural life support system because they hate frozen food.
Edited by TopHatGorillaI do have something to add to the "is it a carrier" question. Carefully look at the x1 title. Those Advanced are being deployed from TIE racks outside of a Star Destroyer's belly. Maybe the Raider has some racks on its underside? Maybe enough for a half squadron?
My other theory is that its confirming my long held belief that the Nebulon carries its fighter complement in external racks on the long stem connecting fore and aft hulls.
http://s41.photobucket.com/user/ghostofman/media/FarorbitDeck5.jpg.html
the nebulon b's ship compliment came from west end games' stats. those were created by the far orbit project. the blueprints were made by sterling hershey. he used the inaccurate lengths of tie fighters that were given to him. ffg uses the accurate scaling. the link above is from the far orbit project that shows how the ties were supposed to be arranged inside. that is not to say i don't agree that that the neb b could easily carry pods on the boom to house extra fighters. it could and should, when circumstances need.
but this thread is about the raider. i have never said it is a carrier, any more than the cr-90 is. in ep3, we clearly see a jedi starfighter entering the belly hold of the ship. does this make the cr-90 a carrier? no more than the blimp in "indiana jones and the last crusade" is a carrier. having room for a a starfighter or 2 as support craft does not make a ship a carrier, per se.
the questions stem from the cut outs on the side of the raider. are they airlock entry points? are they mini hangars for a ship to land? in the novels, even cr-90s were modified to hold extra fighters. these are the questions i always love to know. keep in mind, that at 1/270 scale, a raider would be roughly 1.84 feet long
The weird fire arc's kinda bug me it seems the point of max firepower is off to the sides where the fore and rear green fire zones overlap and not directly ahead.
Edited by DodtThe weird fire arc's kinda bug me it seems the point of max firepower is off to the sides where the fore and rear green fire zones overlap and not directly ahead.
Doesn't that optimise the arcs for snaking the ship around enemies instead of running straight at them?
As far as shields go, IIRC the bridge deflector domes were just that: Specialized BRIDGE deflector shield generators. There is no way any design that had its shields go down as soon as two huge unarmored domes got popped would make it into actual service. Most cap ship combats i ever read had ships shields giving out in short order when engaged in slugging matches, so it'd be a safe bet that the bridge would have incredibly potent shields that could stand up to sustained barrages.
Isn't this another long-perpetuated myth? Those domes at the top were sensors, similar to modern warships (or maybe not-so-modern). So many sources have referred to them as shield generators that it's probably pointless to argue. Still, as soon as it was pointed out to me, I just can't believe that they're any kind of shield generator.
I saw the X1 card art too and thought y'know that is a smallish hanger, with only those Advanceds in it it seems, wonder if they are on the Raider. I mean it makes sense to some docking capability for its fighter support. But then again it IS a small corvette. Maybe not. Cant wait to see though! 
those images are there to point out 2 things-
1- the bridge shield generators are the huge bulbs on top of the bridge
2- the engines for a star destroyer are huge
As far as shields go, IIRC the bridge deflector domes were just that: Specialized BRIDGE deflector shield generators. There is no way any design that had its shields go down as soon as two huge unarmored domes got popped would make it into actual service. Most cap ship combats i ever read had ships shields giving out in short order when engaged in slugging matches, so it'd be a safe bet that the bridge would have incredibly potent shields that could stand up to sustained barrages.
Isn't this another long-perpetuated myth? Those domes at the top were sensors, similar to modern warships (or maybe not-so-modern). So many sources have referred to them as shield generators that it's probably pointless to argue. Still, as soon as it was pointed out to me, I just can't believe that they're any kind of shield generator.
So did you not watch the Battle of Endor part of Return of the Jedi? Specifically the part where the domes on top of the Executor get blown and they immediately cut to an officer yelling to Piett that the bridge deflector shields are lost.
If thats your personal head canon thats whatever, but its simply isnt true.
Personally, i understand your view, and agree that thats a terrible design for a warship, but thats the way thigns are.
Edited by Bipolar Potter
As far as shields go, IIRC the bridge deflector domes were just that: Specialized BRIDGE deflector shield generators. There is no way any design that had its shields go down as soon as two huge unarmored domes got popped would make it into actual service. Most cap ship combats i ever read had ships shields giving out in short order when engaged in slugging matches, so it'd be a safe bet that the bridge would have incredibly potent shields that could stand up to sustained barrages.
Isn't this another long-perpetuated myth? Those domes at the top were sensors, similar to modern warships (or maybe not-so-modern). So many sources have referred to them as shield generators that it's probably pointless to argue. Still, as soon as it was pointed out to me, I just can't believe that they're any kind of shield generator.
So did you not watch the Battle of Endor part of Return of the Jedi? Specifically the part where the domes on top of the Executor get blown and they immediately cut to an officer yelling to Piett that the bridge deflector shields are lost.
If thats your personal head canon thats whatever, but its simply isnt true.
Personally, i understand your view, and agree that thats a terrible design for a warship, but thats the way thigns are.
It's /not/ the way things are.
For those domes to be hit, the shields had to ALREADY be down. Ergo, not the shield generators.
It's /not/ the way things are.So did you not watch the Battle of Endor part of Return of the Jedi? Specifically the part where the domes on top of the Executor get blown and they immediately cut to an officer yelling to Piett that the bridge deflector shields are lost.As far as shields go, IIRC the bridge deflector domes were just that: Specialized BRIDGE deflector shield generators. There is no way any design that had its shields go down as soon as two huge unarmored domes got popped would make it into actual service. Most cap ship combats i ever read had ships shields giving out in short order when engaged in slugging matches, so it'd be a safe bet that the bridge would have incredibly potent shields that could stand up to sustained barrages.
Isn't this another long-perpetuated myth? Those domes at the top were sensors, similar to modern warships (or maybe not-so-modern). So many sources have referred to them as shield generators that it's probably pointless to argue. Still, as soon as it was pointed out to me, I just can't believe that they're any kind of shield generator.
If thats your personal head canon thats whatever, but its simply isnt true.
Personally, i understand your view, and agree that thats a terrible design for a warship, but thats the way thigns are.
For those domes to be hit, the shields had to ALREADY be down. Ergo, not the shield generators.
If that was the case, then no ship with shielding would ever be destroyed in Star Wars and it would be pointless to not have shielding over everything.
Now to cover what you saw in the RotJ clip and explain why the shield domes blew up so fast we can revisit ANH. You may recall a certain 2m exhaust port that was "ray" shielded. Projectile weapons like Proton Torpedoes were used to circumvent the shields and create the explosion necessary to destroy the battle station. Who is to say that two A-wings unloading their full complement of Concussion missiles or Proton Rockets would not generate the destructive effect on that shielded target.
If that logic fails, it's Star Wars hand wavy Magic.
So did you not watch the Battle of Endor part of Return of the Jedi? Specifically the part where the domes on top of the Executor get blown and they immediately cut to an officer yelling to Piett that the bridge deflector shields are lost.As far as shields go, IIRC the bridge deflector domes were just that: Specialized BRIDGE deflector shield generators. There is no way any design that had its shields go down as soon as two huge unarmored domes got popped would make it into actual service. Most cap ship combats i ever read had ships shields giving out in short order when engaged in slugging matches, so it'd be a safe bet that the bridge would have incredibly potent shields that could stand up to sustained barrages.
Isn't this another long-perpetuated myth? Those domes at the top were sensors, similar to modern warships (or maybe not-so-modern). So many sources have referred to them as shield generators that it's probably pointless to argue. Still, as soon as it was pointed out to me, I just can't believe that they're any kind of shield generator.
If thats your personal head canon thats whatever, but its simply isnt true.
Personally, i understand your view, and agree that thats a terrible design for a warship, but thats the way thigns are.
The domes might only be the deflector shield generators, if it's like the Star Trek universe where I am sure there are two types of shielding.
Deflectors - stop physical items such as ships and asteroids, missiles from piercing the hull
Shields - absorb energy weapons and deplete over time with hit.
So the energy shields might have weakened around the deflector shield generators from the concentrated fire power, this was then destroyed, allowing the A-wing to then pierce the hull and not just explode on impact.
Just my thoughts
Shields ala Star Wars are projected in a bubble around the ship. If you get close enough, you get under the bubble, and thus shields do nothing. Its pretty well documented that the Imperial war machine's critical weakness was against heavily armed snubfighters. Their capital ships lacked decent anti-fighter weaponry, their starfighters relied on a "quantity has a quality all its own" methodology, their elite pilot corp was cultivated from a "survival of the fittest" with horrendous rookie pilot loss rates, its easily believable that their shield systems didn't factor in close range assaults.
Also, shields in Star Wars are primarily divided into the afore mentioned ray shields, the most common, good against laser based weaponry, and particle shields, good against missiles, collisions, and asteroids/space debris. of course, i will admit that every ship with ray shielding seems to also have particle shielding, so i myself am not too clear about the difference.
Maybe, since Star Wars is set in a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, they use the older sailing ship classifications for vessels with regard to their size?
Corvettes (sailing type) were "third rate ships" that ranked below frigates in size and armaments and even smaller when compared to line of battle ships (aka battleships in modern terminology). While during WWII, the British were the only navy to use the term corvette on a ship that was similar in size and function as American Destroyer Escorts, which were smaller than regular Destroyers in armament and displacement. While direct comparisons are definitely open to interpretation, I would venture that this is the closest comparison for the crew size we have for the raider.
They actually uses a really odd classification system based loosely on old naval classes:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anaxes_War_College_System
They literally rate ships based on length, rather than function (with a few that break the mold, but not many).
The Raider is corvette sized by this system, therefore it is a Covette. But that covers a good 100m of variance, and has no relationship to crew or function at all.
Based on the size, it could be anywhere between 50 and 150 really (though based on the actual design, i'm guessing lower end of that). Or, as this is Star Wars and most ships are MENTAL, it could be almost any number at all.
They actually uses a really odd classification system based loosely on old naval classes:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anaxes_War_College_System
They literally rate ships based on length, rather than function (with a few that break the mold, but not many).
The Raider is corvette sized by this system, therefore it is a Covette. But that covers a good 100m of variance, and has no relationship to crew or function at all.
Based on the size, it could be anywhere between 50 and 150 really (though based on the actual design, i'm guessing lower end of that). Or, as this is Star Wars and most ships are MENTAL, it could be almost any number at all.
Well, it is better than what I thought the classification was... When I was a kid, I had an uncle whom owned a couple 'Vettes, and I had assumed they were based on cars or hot rods. Heck, it is a Corellian Corvette, why not call the Falcon a Yavin GTX? - My child mind was awesome.
Edited by LordColethose images are there to point out 2 things-
1- the bridge shield generators are the huge bulbs on top of the bridge
2- the engines for a star destroyer are huge
I've got a picture, too.
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/kdy/blueisd1.gif
This blueprint was published in 1978, and clearly labels them as long-range scanners.
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/towers.html
The second link has an entire treatise on the subject, but it's about half-way down the page. Do a search on the page for "Sensor Globes." Whether you agree or not, it's a good read, with compelling arguments.
EDIT: Or just click on the "Sensor Globes" link at the top of the page
P.S.S. Also read the 2 sections following it. CINEFEX Proof has a quote from a special effects specialist on Return of the Jedi referring to them as radar domes, and the following section has some tidbits from the X-wing video games. Honestly, it's the X-wing video games that got me believing they are shield generators, but I never stopped to really think about it. It just doesn't make sense to me anymore.
Edited by ParakitorPoor guys on that super star destroyer ...
my imperial heart is bleeding ...
those images are there to point out 2 things-
1- the bridge shield generators are the huge bulbs on top of the bridge
2- the engines for a star destroyer are huge
I've got a picture, too.
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/kdy/blueisd1.gif
This blueprint was published in 1978, and clearly labels them as long-range scanners.
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/towers.html
The second link has an entire treatise on the subject, but it's about half-way down the page. Do a search on the page for "Sensor Globes." Whether you agree or not, it's a good read, with compelling arguments.
EDIT: Or just click on the "Sensor Globes" link at the top of the page
P.S.S. Also read the 2 sections following it. CINEFEX Proof has a quote from a special effects specialist on Return of the Jedi referring to them as radar domes, and the following section has some tidbits from the X-wing video games. Honestly, it's the X-wing video games that got me believing they are shield generators, but I never stopped to really think about it. It just doesn't make sense to me anymore.
both of mine come directly from lfl direct sources. your come from the fan based interwebz.
