People aren't complaining about the price.

But that is exactly what you have been doing this entire time...or at least how it looks to the rest of us. If you dont want to come off that way perhaps you should rephrase your complaint? The crux of your posts, as I have seen them, has been:

I dont want to pay 70 pounds. They should release this in a cheaper form because that is what I want and that makes it a good business decision!

So yes you have been complaining about the price. I know you are trying to frame it as a "I am not going to buy something I am gong to use" but you are failing in that attempt. If this new ship cost around the same as a normal ship or maybe the same as an aces pack I highly doubt you would be complaining about "having a ship you dont want."

Now I know I am making some assumptions here and I do not know you...but this is the gist of what I have gotten from what you are saying.

I want to support my FLGS and FFG

Yet complain they're unethically ripping you off.

That's right.

I want to support good decision making that benefits the community not just FFG.

Do you not understand this?

The current situation is deeply unfair to the players that have TIE advanced ships and want to use them. If that was changed I would support FFG. If that doesn't change then I won't suppor them because I have no desire to buy epic ships, let alone pay £70 for some cards for another ship entirely.

Not sure why that's so contentious.

Its contentious because of the way your argument comes off. You are coming off as a self entitled, whiny, crybaby who wants to moan and complain because a profit making enterprise released something in a format that YOU, yes YOU, and a few others dont like and dont want to pay for. You then come in and start whining to everyone else how this is a "bad business decision" (It is not), how it is price gouging and somehow wrong (it is not), and how it is unfair (fairness is irrelevant.) You dont like it? You dont want to support the decision? Then take everyones advice and dont buy it. No one said taking a stand for what is "right" is easy and lacking sacrifice.

As I stated earlier you need to lose the "high horse" mentality you appear, to me, to have. There will be other avenues to buy this card elsewhere. You could cave and buy the ship and sell the stuff you dont need on said secondary market. (I believe I asked you before why those of us who buy the ship cant recoup some of the cost from those who dont want to buy the ship...you never answered me. But we all win that way.) The secondary market (small though it is) needs to get its pricing in line (which, judging by your responses in this thread, you will probably find proper pricing of that "unfair" as well.) If you decide you dont want to buy it that way or you dont have a friend who will split the cost with you fairly then maybe you need to just deal and realize your stand will cost you something. The question is are you willing to pay that cost? I dont know...thats a question only you can answer, and I'm honestly not interested in what you end up doing in the end.

Your assertion that this is a bad move yet you will only buy from the company and no other avenue is a problem YOU and YOU alone face. Your self imposed limits are holding you back here.

People aren't complaining about the price.

But that is exactly what you have been doing this entire time...or at least how it looks to the rest of us. If you dont want to come off that way perhaps you should rephrase your complaint? The crux of your posts, as I have seen them, has been:

I dont want to pay 70 pounds. They should release this in a cheaper form because that is what I want and that makes it a good business decision!

So yes you have been complaining about the price. I know you are trying to frame it as a "I am not going to buy something I am gong to use" but you are failing in that attempt. If this new ship cost around the same as a normal ship or maybe the same as an aces pack I highly doubt you would be complaining about "having a ship you dont want."

Now I know I am making some assumptions here and I do not know you...but this is the gist of what I have gotten from what you are saying.

I want to support my FLGS and FFG

Yet complain they're unethically ripping you off.

That's right.

I want to support good decision making that benefits the community not just FFG.

Do you not understand this?

The current situation is deeply unfair to the players that have TIE advanced ships and want to use them. If that was changed I would support FFG. If that doesn't change then I won't suppor them because I have no desire to buy epic ships, let alone pay £70 for some cards for another ship entirely.

Not sure why that's so contentious.

Its contentious because of the way your argument comes off. You are coming off as a self entitled, whiny, crybaby who wants to moan and complain because a profit making enterprise released something in a format that YOU, yes YOU, and a few others dont like and dont want to pay for. You then come in and start whining to everyone else how this is a "bad business decision" (It is not), how it is price gouging and somehow wrong (it is not), and how it is unfair (fairness is irrelevant.) You dont like it? You dont want to support the decision? Then take everyones advice and dont buy it. No one said taking a stand for what is "right" is easy and lacking sacrifice.

As I stated earlier you need to lose the "high horse" mentality you appear, to me, to have. There will be other avenues to buy this card elsewhere. You could cave and buy the ship and sell the stuff you dont need on said secondary market. (I believe I asked you before why those of us who buy the ship cant recoup some of the cost from those who dont want to buy the ship...you never answered me. But we all win that way.) The secondary market (small though it is) needs to get its pricing in line (which, judging by your responses in this thread, you will probably find proper pricing of that "unfair" as well.) If you decide you dont want to buy it that way or you dont have a friend who will split the cost with you fairly then maybe you need to just deal and realize your stand will cost you something. The question is are you willing to pay that cost? I dont know...thats a question only you can answer, and I'm honestly not interested in what you end up doing in the end.

Your assertion that this is a bad move yet you will only buy from the company and no other avenue is a problem YOU and YOU alone face. Your self imposed limits are holding you back here.

But, as stated above this is MY choice. I don't hate FFG for it, I realize from a business perspective it is a solid way of expanding into the Epic-market. I love the concept/idea of Aces packs. I have the Imperial one, I'll get the Villainy Most Wanted. And if lucky, I'll get the Advanced Title and System Upgrade too... :-)

I said before, here or elsewhere, this game is uniquely balanced, you don't need all there is and still have fun and good squads.

You don't have to buy into it untill the end of times to be competitive. Just pick what you fancy and have fun with what you have, don't sulk about what you don't. It is a game people, nobody is dying... ;-)

Out of curiousity, those who will buy the raider, will any of you sell off some of your Tie Advanced cards? Will you sell the upgrade and title for $5? What will the going rate be?

will any of you sell off some of your Tie Advanced cards?

I'm going to get one, no question there.

I have 2 Advanced, and I'm debating if I want a 4th one after I have the raider.

If I don't get one, I may sell my extra cards, but more likely I'd look to trade them for some of the S&V cards from packs I'm not going to get.

Edit: If I were to put a price on them... I'd guess $5 that or 1 billion dollars!!! but more likely $5.

Out of curiousity, those who will buy the raider, will any of you sell off some of your Tie Advanced cards? Will you sell the upgrade and title for $5? What will the going rate be?

I probably will...what I would charge would depend on what I think I could get for them...we will see what the market bares out.

No, i dont think affordability is the problem.

Which is great because I don't think anyone has said that it is.

However to blithely expect people to just spend £70 in order to get what they want is a little bit ignorant. Some people most certainly will not be able to afford this and it is for no one else to criticise them for it.

This will be £70 on top of whatever else comes out next year - including Wave 6 which, all in, is even more expensive.

Also, people already own TIE Advanced ships. To argue that if they can't afford the cards that now make the ship viable they should stop buying video games or work extra shifts is massively missing the point.

I want to support my FLGS and FFG

Yet complain they're unethically ripping you off.

That's right.

I want to support good decision making that benefits the community not just FFG.

Do you not understand this?

The current situation is deeply unfair to the players that have TIE advanced ships and want to use them. If that was changed I would support FFG. If that doesn't change then I won't suppor them because I have no desire to buy epic ships, let alone pay £70 for some cards for another ship entirely.

Not sure why that's so contentious.

@sc077y

Well said.

What was well said about it?

You said no one was arguing the cost, but thats all anyone has done. I don't think I should have to buy this for x cost, or why cant they put it in a different expansion? For that matter, it irritates me sometimes when i have to buy a YT-2400 to get lone wolf for Rexlar, but that is how FFG has set up the financial model for this game, so if I want it, AS A MATURE ADULT, I make the decision to purchase it or not, or check for alternatives, like friends who need a PTL and wont use LW, and we work something out. That is the games sustainability and product life cycle model that they are sticking with. The game continues to grow because of the sustainability of this expansion system. Im sorry your entire collection is now unplayable because you wont be able to play tie advanced with the new upgrade, but something tells me your Tie X1s probably haven't seen a lot of play, and lets all be honest, while the new upgrade is really good for 1 point after the "rebate", the reality is i don't think it makes them broken, or any better than Soontir Fel, or Whisper, but it's the new hotness and when people don't get to have the new hotness, well, they get upset, and i get that too.

So far it works pretty well.

My only other concern that I wanted to point out is that you state you wanted to support FFG and your FLGS, but man, i have to be honest, the points you're making on this thread, as i have read them, aren't about you, or the other folks complaining about the viability of the upgrade being in a large ship box, helping anyone. Please don't tell me you want to support FFG and your FLGS and then complaining about how you will not buy the product because it wasn't priced and packaged the way you like. That behavior is not motivated out of a want to support any company, that behavior is motivated by a personal want.

You can say you want to support them as much as possible, but don't church it up son, and call it like it is. It's not how you want it and you're trying to give your own personal interests and want for change, and even frustration, a noble purpose so it doesn't sound like a 5 year old with an entitlement problem screaming at the sky.

I'm sorry if my post came across as harsh, or tough, or even rude. It's not meant to be, but i will not make excuses, and i call things exactly as i see them, and would expect everyone to do the same with me.

There is absolutely no evidence to support this claim.

You're right, I'll concede there is no way to know if they would have sold well without the upgrades. But we also don't know how they would of sold without them either. So the best we can say is they would have sold some, but more than likely not as many.

How many fewer they would of sold is not possible to know. So yes they may not of sold as well without the upgrades, but they may of still sold quite well without them.

That however doesn't really change anything. Having those upgrades in the epic ship boxes is still an added value for the consumer, because I get something I would of bought regardless and get extra stuff on top of that.

I would like for FFG to justify this decision and explain why they cannot choose a different outlet for these vital upgrades.

There's no need for them to justify anything. The offer us a product that we can buy or not buy as we wish. If you don't find enough value in the product to buy it, that's on you, and requires no justification on their part.

It is extremely unlikely they will release these cards elswhere as well since the whole point of including these cards, they know people will want, is to sell the Raider.

You are flat wrong about that. They have already offered prized cards in other sets to make them easier for people to get. So you will see that trend continue, that means cards like C-3PO or the Tie Advanced fix will show up in other packages down the road.

This is most certainly a very bad decision.

Wow, so much cluelessness in one post.

No it is not a bad decision. The Raider would of sold just fine on it's own, the sales of the other epic ships is proof enough of that. There was no need to put the Tie Advanced in there to make sure it sells.

But including it will increase the sales, because doing so is what is know as added value. They are increasing the overall value of the package by adding in something people want, this is in no way a bad decision, it's a good one.

It will improve the sales of this product, and that means it's a good decision. It may not be the most consumer friendly decision, but that doesn't make it a bad one, unless you're some sort of hardcore socialist who believes the whole point of company is to provide goods to us with no expectation of profit.

My feeling on the matter is not contingent on whether they will respond or not.

It isn't clueless at all. They could release these cards any number of ways. The success of their business is not dependent on the sale of epic ships which, if the shelves of my LGS are any indication, isn't all that.

Arguing from the belief these cards cannot be sold to us any other way is both arrogant and ignorant.

Are you the CEO?

Are you?

Obviously not, no.

It's called capitalism folks. It isn't unprecedented in life, or even in x-wing. I get that you really want these cards. I do too. If you don't want to buy a Raider, and you don't want to buy the cards on the secondary market, then I guess you don't get to play with them. Sorry.

Are you the CEO?

Just a citizen of reality. Why are you so defensive?

That wasn't defensive.

People aren't complaining about the price.

But that is exactly what you have been doing this entire time...or at least how it looks to the rest of us. If you dont want to come off that way perhaps you should rephrase your complaint? The crux of your posts, as I have seen them, has been:

I dont want to pay 70 pounds. They should release this in a cheaper form because that is what I want and that makes it a good business decision!

So yes you have been complaining about the price. I know you are trying to frame it as a "I am not going to buy something I am gong to use" but you are failing in that attempt. If this new ship cost around the same as a normal ship or maybe the same as an aces pack I highly doubt you would be complaining about "having a ship you dont want."

Now I know I am making some assumptions here and I do not know you...but this is the gist of what I have gotten from what you are saying.

I want to support my FLGS and FFG

Yet complain they're unethically ripping you off.

That's right.

I want to support good decision making that benefits the community not just FFG.

Do you not understand this?

The current situation is deeply unfair to the players that have TIE advanced ships and want to use them. If that was changed I would support FFG. If that doesn't change then I won't suppor them because I have no desire to buy epic ships, let alone pay £70 for some cards for another ship entirely.

Not sure why that's so contentious.

Its contentious because of the way your argument comes off. You are coming off as a self entitled, whiny, crybaby who wants to moan and complain because a profit making enterprise released something in a format that YOU, yes YOU, and a few others dont like and dont want to pay for. You then come in and start whining to everyone else how this is a "bad business decision" (It is not), how it is price gouging and somehow wrong (it is not), and how it is unfair (fairness is irrelevant.) You dont like it? You dont want to support the decision? Then take everyones advice and dont buy it. No one said taking a stand for what is "right" is easy and lacking sacrifice.

As I stated earlier you need to lose the "high horse" mentality you appear, to me, to have. There will be other avenues to buy this card elsewhere. You could cave and buy the ship and sell the stuff you dont need on said secondary market. (I believe I asked you before why those of us who buy the ship cant recoup some of the cost from those who dont want to buy the ship...you never answered me. But we all win that way.) The secondary market (small though it is) needs to get its pricing in line (which, judging by your responses in this thread, you will probably find proper pricing of that "unfair" as well.) If you decide you dont want to buy it that way or you dont have a friend who will split the cost with you fairly then maybe you need to just deal and realize your stand will cost you something. The question is are you willing to pay that cost? I dont know...thats a question only you can answer, and I'm honestly not interested in what you end up doing in the end.

Your assertion that this is a bad move yet you will only buy from the company and no other avenue is a problem YOU and YOU alone face. Your self imposed limits are holding you back here.

You have missed the point again: price is only a part of it insofar as £70 is the only way to get these cards. The point isn't that the Raider costs a lot of money, it's that I have no interest in buying it to get them. I'm not sure how I can make that clearer and I really don't want to have to labour the point. There is nothing self entitled about it at all and I'm afraid if you choose to read attitudes or draw conclusions of your own from what I have said then that is entirely on you. FFG has announced this product and I am expressing how I feel about it as a player-unfriendly decision.

They could release these cards any number of ways.

Your right, and this is the way they chose to do it, because it's how they feel will work best.

Arguing from the belief these cards cannot be sold to us any other way is both arrogant and ignorant.

Funny because you're the one who's saying that they won't... So that makes you both arrogant and ignorant. Not that we really need any more proof of that, your post history here clearly points out both of those things.

Can they sell them some other way? Yes. Will they, most likely yes at some point down the road.

Does either of those two things change anything? No.

You have missed the point again: price is only a part of it insofar as £70 is the only way to get these cards.

So it's not the price, it's the price...

I'm afraid if you choose to read attitudes or draw conclusions of your own from what I have said then that is entirely on you.

It's amazing just how arrogant you truly are, because not only are you the only one who can see that this is a "bad decision" no one else is even capable of reading your posts correctly.

Yes, everyone who's posted this thread has completely misread everything you've said, and it's all our fault, it can't possibly be your posts that are the problem. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they don't understand your point.

It seems there are a few broad arguments here:

1. It's a nasty move, but that's capitalism so suck it up

2. It's a nasty move, but I'm buying it anyway so I'm not affected and really don't care

3. It's a nasty move, but you don't have to buy it

4. It's a nasty move, but you can get the stuff you want off eBay

5. It's a nasty move, and I wish they'd do something that wasn't so nasty

I'm not sure why so many people seem so offended by #5, but here we are. Regardless, there does seem to be a bit of a common trend in the arguments. Maybe there's something there...

Nah, couldn't be. Please, continue bashing anyone who doesn't like being FFG's doormat. It really does seem to be what this community is best at these days.

5. It's a nasty move, and I wish they'd do something that wasn't so nasty

If someone were to make a reasonable post with such a statement then there wouldn't the same issue. But as soon as people start using terms like rip off and gouging, well all pretense of reasonable has gone out the window.

Coming here and venting about how evil FFG is for selling something someone wants in a package they don't is hardly the basis of reasonable discourse.

I happen to like the fact that the Advanced will be in the Raider, because it adds value to something I was going to buy already. But apparently that opinion makes me a lackey of the man, who is out to oppress the poor.

If someone were to make a reasonable post with such a statement then there wouldn't the same issue. But as soon as people start using terms like rip off and gouging, well all pretense of reasonable has gone out the window.

Coming here and venting about how evil FFG is for selling something someone wants in a package they don't is hardly the basis of reasonable discourse.

Oh, give me a break. Seriously... you consider "rip off" to be so beyond the pale that it instantly kills any possibility of reasonable discourse?

So if you tried for just a moment to put yourself in the shoes of someone who never played epic and didn't want to buy the epic ships, but very much wanted to make use of the fix to the TIE Advanced and were facing the prospect of buying a $100 ship they didn't want to get it... what would you call it? Really. Pretend for just a moment that you don't like this, and suggest some of the wide range of words you'd consider acceptable for expressing that concern without resorting to such unforgivable insults as "gouging".

And the second point is simply ludicrous. Bundling has been a standard corporate tactic for a long time now, and it's one which most consumer advocates cite as deeply unfriendly. Cable TV has been the worst offender for a while, and gets the attention for it, but this is the same issue. Just like with cable, unbundling a package would not hurt you in any way - you'd still get A and B just like you want. Some people only want B, though. Why are you so on board with them having to buy A as well?

FFG themselves know that bundling is at least perceived as evil - the entire pitch with the move to LCGs was an effort to reduce the bundling which comes from random packaging. They've gotten very good at maximizing the reality of bundling while minimizing the perception of it, but they at least make a nod towards reducing it. And, in fairness, have reduced bundling from CCG levels, which were downright obscene.

I happen to like the fact that the Advanced will be in the Raider, because it adds value to something I was going to buy already.

So... you do realize that there's not actually any additional value in there for you, right? That you're paying exactly the same for that ship and cards as you would if they were in some other package that didn't include an $85 ship that a lot of people don't want? It's not like they said "Hey, we need to package this Raider at $100. So, that's set. But wait! Let's add another ship and a bunch of cards to fix it... Great idea, Bob! But wait, we can't change the price... That's fine, just put them in there for free, our customers will appreciate the added value!"

Value is essentially benefit divided by cost. Which is precisely the point here - you're getting the exact same value by buying them both as you would if they were separate. But people who don't play Epic are getting far LESS value, because the benefit is lower for exactly the same cost. When you consider that the value we're discussing is basically the repair of a ship which was already purchased but proved pretty useless, the value proposition gets worse.

Nobody's a socialist. Nobody expects to get it for free. What they expect is a reasonable value in the product, which is (despite the twisted "Anything corporations do is good capitalism!" memes) exactly what consumers in a capitalistic system are supposed to do.

Oh, give me a break.

Fine I will. I won't even bother reading the rest, because if you're going to open fire with the snark I can tell the rest isn't worth reading.

It seems there are a few broad arguments here:

1. It's a nasty move, but that's capitalism so suck it up

2. It's a nasty move, but I'm buying it anyway so I'm not affected and really don't care

3. It's a nasty move, but you don't have to buy it

4. It's a nasty move, but you can get the stuff you want off eBay

5. It's a nasty move, and I wish they'd do something that wasn't so nasty

I'm not sure why so many people seem so offended by #5, but here we are. Regardless, there does seem to be a bit of a common trend in the arguments. Maybe there's something there...

Nah, couldn't be. Please, continue bashing anyone who doesn't like being FFG's doormat. It really does seem to be what this community is best at these days.

With respect, You missed one:

6. There will be plenty of ways to get ahold of these cards that don't include buying a raider, or spending anywhere near that amount of money.

Why are people so afraid that there won't be tons of these cards to be bought off of friends/eBay/team cov.?

4 in the box means a lot of extras for a lot of people. I realize that this isn't super ideal for everyone, but it is far from being a **** move on FFGs part. The real problem is just too much hyperbole on everyone's part on these forums.

Also respectfully, because I'm not trying to get into arguments but just make observations, signoftheserpent, buying the cards on the secondary market is still supporting FFG. Someone paid them for those cards already, they made their money off them. That seems to be your one real hang up with it, so I hope that helps.

Oh, give me a break.

Once again, when you can't refute an argument you resort to snark... So I'm not going to even bother with the rest.

LOL. How would you know if I refuted anything, if you gave up because of a minor (and very common) expression of incredulity? Take a breath, man, because at this point you're just going out of your way to find reasons not to engage with people. Which, ironically enough, was exactly the point I was making which you gave up on. Irony? Symmetry? Not sure.

And fair warning: I will probably, at some point in the future, find a way to Rickroll you into a Kit Kat commercial.

What they expect is a reasonable value in the product

So... The raider isn't a reasonable value? Yes I changed my mind and read the rest.

The Raider is very much a reasonable value, it is not taking advantage of anyone, it is not price gouging.

While it may not be what some people want to buy, that does not change the value of the package itself. The CR-90 cost $90 and a ship of the same size with the Advanced costs $99, that means a $5 reduction.

If someone has an issue with it, as was said above by a few people they can state their desire to see it in another package without needing to resort to snark or inflammatory language. I'm not really sure how suggesting such a thing is problem.

My issue isn't with people less than thrilled with the Tie Advanced fix in the Raider, my issue with with people like signoftheserpent using terms like gouging and saying how this is unfair to people.

Especially when other methods of picking up those cards will exist. But apparently for him, those other methods aren't suitable. I have no time for someone who complains about something and then rejects all offers of alternative means to address the situation.

If the Advanced weren't in the Raider then it'd be in Imperial Aces II or whatever it's called. The problem is that the Raider Advanced has a full acepack's worth of content shipwise: it's got four named pilots and a host of upgrades. To transfer it to Aces would, following the usual structure of X-Wing's releases, cost us two ship upgrade sets and four new pilots.

The problem here is twofold:

Firstly, an Acepack has two ships, for which each get two new named pilots, a repaint and a host of upgrade cards. Imperial Aces had Interceptor and Interceptor, with two named pilots of each repaint. Rebel Aces had Sojan and Farell for the A-wing and Dantels and Farlander for the B-wing.

If the Advanced were in Aces II, it would either be the acepack like Imperial Aces or we'd both displace another ship (be it the all but confirmed TIE bomber or the other one) or we'd lose half the new named pilots.

So it's a choice between fixing the Advanced in the Raider, or the Raider containing no ship and the Advanced either displacing another ship's fix/diversification or not being fixed at all.

Having to get the cards on the secondary market (or, much easier, get them off friends who are getting the Raider. Not many people have four TIE advanceds) for those who aren't getting Raiders may be a pain, but short of FFG wildly restructuring their release setup, removing the small ship expansion from the Raider isn't separating it, it's removing it. It being in the Raider means that new stuff is in the next Acepack.

It seems there are a few broad arguments here:

1. It's a nasty move, but that's capitalism so suck it up

2. It's a nasty move, but I'm buying it anyway so I'm not affected and really don't care

3. It's a nasty move, but you don't have to buy it

4. It's a nasty move, but you can get the stuff you want off eBay

5. It's a nasty move, and I wish they'd do something that wasn't so nasty

I'm not sure why so many people seem so offended by #5, but here we are. Regardless, there does seem to be a bit of a common trend in the arguments. Maybe there's something there...

Nah, couldn't be. Please, continue bashing anyone who doesn't like being FFG's doormat. It really does seem to be what this community is best at these days.

Where have anyone who is defending this move inferred this was a nasty move? I see nothing nasty in it...I doubt VernorDM sees anything nasty in it either. It must be easier to make this look bad when you can premise each argument with "that's a nasty move"

YOU may feel it's nasty...some other detractors may feel it's nasty. But I don't think any of us supporters have made that conclusion at all.

There is added value for those of us who are getting this for both ships. They are using this to attempt to expand a part of the game that many feel was flagging (I feel due to the fact only one side had huges.) This was a good smart move that will extend the life of the game...nothing nasty about it and nothing consumer unfriendly about it. ,oils they have distributed it differently? Yes. But in this case they opted to kill two birds with one stone and had the decency to pack a TON of extras. These extras can be sold or traded to the naysayers or used to push for more TIE adv sales.

As for your bundling argument and cable. I don't get cable because wouldn't get the value out of it. I don't rail against the cable company online where it is ineffective. I vote with my wallet and find other ways (ie Netflix) to get my content...do I Miss out on some stuff? Yes. Do I consider the system immoral or nasty? No...I just don't get the value I would require.for the money I spend.

I fail to see anything nasty...that some don't want to play epic and won't find other viable avenues for these cards is just sad.

4. It's a nasty move, but you can get the stuff you want off eBay

5. It's a nasty move, and I wish they'd do something that wasn't so nasty

With respect, You missed one:

6. There will be plenty of ways to get ahold of these cards that don't include buying a raider, or spending anywhere near that amount of money.

Why are people so afraid that there won't be tons of these cards to be bought off of friends/eBay/team cov.?

4 in the box means a lot of extras for a lot of people. I realize that this isn't super ideal for everyone, but it is far from being a **** move on FFGs part. The real problem is just too much hyperbole on everyone's part on these forums.

Nope. Didn't miss it

I actually think the number of cards available will be far lower than a lot of people think. Let's make a few assumptions here:

1. Most people won't buy multiple Raiders

2. So, most people have 4x copies of the fix cards

3. People will want 0-4 of them

4. Some people will sell some of the cards they don't want

(3) and (4) are the interesting bits. The problem is that most of the things we can consider point to people not selling much. Lots of people keep everything they've got, just in case they fly it that one time. There's no potential for "I only fly Rebel" players to end up with these. I suspect most players have at least one Advanced for Vader and one comes in the box, with shiny new pilots, so figure anyone with it will feel the need to keep at least 2 for themselves since the ship is largely unflyable without it. Even if people wouldn't be inclined to keep them, not many people go to eBay to sell stuff. Even those who do will likely only sell (on average, my guess) 1, or at most 2. There will probably be some shops that break them open to sell as components, but I don't expect many, and they'll be expensive.

I honestly don't see any reason to expect the supply to be large, and historically the secondary market for X-wing has been, well, let's be generous and say "less than robust". Is it possible it will cover the needs of those who want the fix but not the Raider? Possibly... but I think it's far from a sure thing.

With the Transport people used to split them. Then again, people bought multiple transports.

This being said, Team Epic does allow two Raiders (assuming 3EP)...

I also notice nobody is complaining about the number of StarVipers they'll need for all the Accuracy Correctors...