They had their chance to update the x-wing with the transport expansion, and did to an extent, but any further changes aren't likely or they would have addressed them already.

Or they're holding out for Rebel Aces 2: X-Wing and Y-Wing with alt paint schemes.

Oh, I very very much hope so. On top of that, they can give the TIE Bomber some love in its own pack. Maybe stick a TIE Fighter in with it. Not that the TIE/ln has anything wrong with it, but...neither did the B-wing

Wait, I thought the Defender was the new Advanced???

Soo confused...

It IS!

Wait, I thought the Defender was the new Advanced???

Soo confused...

It IS!

Lies!

Bah, there is no new Advanced. Nothing should really see super limited competitive play on that scale next year, unless people REALLY hate the Scyk or IG-2000.

And as a Defender fanboy, I can't wait to see what my shiny new Mango Cannons will do.

I've always considered wedge's ability the best ability of the game...

Wrong. Vader takes the crown. He gets 2 actions with no penalty. No other pilot gets that. Now that he can equip AC for free, he is free to take any action he pleases because he doesn't need target locks and focus tokens are mathematically weaker than evade tokens.

Sorry, Vader is still the best.

Palob may be better. He gets a 2nd action via stealing a token, which is simultaneously a debuff for the opponent, for a net effect of 3 actions.

Range 1-2 and it can't steal TL, barrel roll, boost, or any other action aside Evade + Focus. It can be better, but it's situational, since you require to meet the requirements, otherwise, vader wins.

I've always considered wedge's ability the best ability of the game...

Wrong. Vader takes the crown. He gets 2 actions with no penalty. No other pilot gets that. Now that he can equip AC for free, he is free to take any action he pleases because he doesn't need target locks and focus tokens are mathematically weaker than evade tokens.

Sorry, Vader is still the best.

Palob may be better. He gets a 2nd action via stealing a token, which is simultaneously a debuff for the opponent, for a net effect of 3 actions.

Vader is still better though....Palobs ability is great, but it's situational and restricted to certain things.

Vader just gets 2, whenever and whatever.

*not after bumping, flying through an obstruction, or while stressed (whether through k-turn or one of various enemy upgrades).

There is no such thing as a "best" pilot ability, because without qualification "best" is too vague and doesn't take various relevent considerations into effect.

an opinion cannot be wrong.

Not to derail this thread, but this is of course utter balderdash. Lots of people are of the opinion women/black people/foreigners/differently religious people are inherently inferior. They are of course totally and utterly wrong.

The generic X-Wings have been completely replaced by other ships. There is almost nothing they can do that a Z95 won't do better.

The chassis itself remains a solid framework for the named pilots. That's the biggest design challenge here. They have such a wide range of pilots that it's a tough ship to buff without making someone into a monster.

They would have to release an astromech or some sort of title that was only useable for PS 4 or less.

I have no idea what that would be or that it would make any sense. Unfortunately I think 3 Talas > 2 Rookies and 3 points cheaper to boot.

I could see some sort of "Rogue Squadron" upgrade that boosts generic Xwings. I can't say I'm too worried as every time someone says that a ship is now useless, FFG release something to make it better, often in an unexpected way. I'm happy to wait and see what comes next.

I could see some sort of "Rogue Squadron" upgrade that boosts generic Xwings. I can't say I'm too worried as every time someone says that a ship is now useless, FFG release something to make it better, often in an unexpected way. I'm happy to wait and see what comes next.

However it would be really disappointing if there was a Rogue Squadron upgrade that Wedge, Luke and Wes cannot use.

The sky is not falling. In a well balanced game, there is no "worst" ship.

Besides, that honor still belongs to the HWK.

They are worth every point. And the X-Wings are not! Their problem is not their statline, it's their combination of lack of mobility (plus you can't change that besides EU) and their Point cost.

I agree that the Advanced needed help. But the X-Wing is too expensive and now arguably the worst ship in the game, no joke!

I just won a tournament at my local game store running a squad with Cracken, Wedge, Biggs, and Garven. I'm not saying they couldn't use a little love, but they are by no means bad ships.

I love the B-Wings shields and that is where the love stops (for Blues and Daggers anyway) when ever i fly a Rookie or Red I move faster and dont use as many of thoes black and red tokens witch means more fun for me

For a Rogue Squadron Title, they could do reverse Lone Wolf.

Something like:

"A ship with this title may re-roll one attack die or one defense die if it is within range 1-2 of a friendly ship with this title."

0 pt title, non-unique, X-wing only.

X-wings are the ultimate "buddy" ship. It would make sense to have something to reward a list with multiple X-wings.

I would really like to see FFG put the X-Wing and cards from the transport pack and the Advanced and cards from the Raider pack together in a Battle of Yavin pack.

I am not that much into Epic. I have some fighters for a casual game with visitors, but rarely play and Epic game. (So far: 1)

So I won't pay 80 or 90 euro's for an improved Advanced. That's how I have to see it as the Raider shall be rarely used.

I would however pay 35 or 40 for them together in a nice box

If not, well, I still like them anyway! And will field both!

I dont see any problem with X-Wings as they are still used in tournaments and various lists on this forum to great effect..do not be sad that the TIE Advance is usable again it just means Luke will be seeing his dad real soon....Lord Vader says hi.

I just won a tournament at my local game store running a squad with Cracken, Wedge, Biggs, and Garven. I'm not saying they couldn't use a little love, but they are by no means bad ships.

According to MajorJuggler, almost every X-Wing is about 2 points overcosted. He also stated Advanceds were 4 points over, which is exactly what they gift them now in Systems upgrade worth.

I don't see any generic X-Wings anymore, and at a tournament a Week ago i just rolled over such an X-Wing squad with 3 named and Cracken. It was very easy for my Falcon/Outrider combo. My friend with a 3 Phantom squad destroyed the X-Wings even harder. Despite some PS 9 and R3A2! The only place i can see fir X-Wings doing well is against inexperienced players. If however you see Interceptors, well made turret lists, B-Wings, possibly the new advanceds and above all, Phantoms, paired with players that have a clue what they are doing, well then... No chance!

I just won a tournament at my local game store running a squad with Cracken, Wedge, Biggs, and Garven. I'm not saying they couldn't use a little love, but they are by no means bad ships.

That's pretty much anecdotical. The only tournament an Xwing has won around here in a long long long time, was me playing a XXXZZZ swarm. But i was lucky that the phantom player i faced was still a rookie player and i could set him up a fire trap where the 3 attack dice proved useful, otherwise, Phantoms are too much of a hassle most of the time.

an opinion cannot be wrong.

Not to derail this thread, but this is of course utter balderdash. Lots of people are of the opinion women/black people/foreigners/differently religious people are inherently inferior. They are of course totally and utterly wrong.

Are we really speaking of racism on the x-wing miniatures forum ????

Really ??

Ok, if so, I'm out.

Speaking about a game, I can have an opinion and you can have a different one without social/ratial/etnichal meanings.

Please, we are speaking about miniatures!

I CAN consider wedge's ability better than any other. It is just an opinion and it can be shared or not, but iti cannot be wrong.

Another situation in which some users of this forum seem to be a little bit off road...

He is not speaking about racism, except as an analogy. He is just stating that opinions can be wrong. How important the subject is doesn't make this premise false.

you rebel players listen up, im going to say this once and you can read it as many times as you want.

the X-wing received upgrade cards in every ship release with EPT that was not empire specific (only 1 I can think of, Ruthlessness) your X-wing got upgrades with every ship that came with astro-mech cards (empire cannot use) you got upgrades with every ship modification card that was not empire specific(1 the particle accelerator for the phantom) plus I believe the X-wing has the most named pilots in the game.

as well as some of the best pilots in the game.

an opinion cannot be wrong.

Not to derail this thread, but this is of course utter balderdash. Lots of people are of the opinion women/black people/foreigners/differently religious people are inherently inferior. They are of course totally and utterly wrong.

Are we really speaking of racism on the x-wing miniatures forum ????

Really ??

Ok, if so, I'm out.

Speaking about a game, I can have an opinion and you can have a different one without social/ratial/etnichal meanings.

Please, we are speaking about miniatures!

I CAN consider wedge's ability better than any other. It is just an opinion and it can be shared or not, but iti cannot be wrong.

Another situation in which some users of this forum seem to be a little bit off road...

This argument is silly. I can see both sides and agree with both sides, but both sides are not talking about the same thing.

The best pilot in the game as far as pilot ability goes is undisputably Imperial Boba Fett.

Well that is just an opinion about a model in a miniatures game. It is also not true, so therefore wrong.

Race A is better than Race B. This is also an opinion and also very much wrong.

There can be "wrong" opinions in a miniatures game, but having those wrong opinions is your right and you can tell anyone who will listen and not be any less of a person because of it or be in anyway personally wrong or invalid. On the other hand, in "real life", there are wrong opinions that while again is your right to hold, you are very much personally wrong.

you rebel players listen up, im going to say this once and you can read it as many times as you want.

the X-wing received upgrade cards in every ship release with EPT that was not empire specific (only 1 I can think of, Ruthlessness) your X-wing got upgrades with every ship that came with astro-mech cards (empire cannot use) you got upgrades with every ship modification card that was not empire specific(1 the particle accelerator for the phantom) plus I believe the X-wing has the most named pilots in the game.

as well as some of the best pilots in the game.

This is so true. Rebel players, please stop complaining about a ship that is still awesome. Not to mention the fact that since wave 2, Rebels have been shown so much more love overall(I will conceed that the Phantom is awesome) and really have nothing to complain about. The Empire finally, after months and months of inbalance, getting an Epic ship and a fix for a ship that has seen zero play competitively in years, and yet you think the Rebels have been unfairly treated. Please!!!

Why is anyone talking about pilot abilities? They should be icing on the cake. Biggs' ability would be fantastic on ANY ship. Wedge's ability would be great on ANY ship. Same with Wes. You take those pilots because of their ability, not because you want an X-wing and oh hey these are the best pilots as well.

Compare the generics and what they can take.
Looking at it with that lens, the X-wings are definitely bottom 3.