I mean, it's a cost-5 card, that "can only be used on the TIE Advanced". But the TIE Advanced now has a title upgrade that discounts this to only 1 point. Soooo...why is it five points, when it's only ever actually going to cost 1 point?

It sort of feels like the 'advanced targeting computer' was originally intended to be useful elsewhere.

And at 5 points, and eating up a system upgrade slot, I don't really see any problems with that. Make it 'Imperial Only', if you want, to cover the bases with new Scum and/or Rebel ships with system upgrades - that means only the Phantom or Lambda would be able to equip it, in addition to the (titled) Advanced, and at 5 points on THOSE platforms...AND eating up their system slot...I just don't see them using it that often.

So...I guess, IMHO, I think the 'Advanced only' limitation on the Advanced Targeting Computer is unnecessary. Suggestion: should be revised to: 'Imperial Only'.

So it didn't cost 0 points on the Advanced?

It would be worthless on the Phantom though as it can't TL. Only way you could synergize it would be Jendon, but that would be a lot of work to just add a crit to a roll.

On the Shuttle, you can spend 5 points more effectively.

Soooo...why is it five points, when it's only ever actually going to cost 1 point?

Because if it were any cheaper the Advanced would get it for free.

It would be worthless on the Phantom though as it can't TL. Only way you could synergize it would be Jendon, but that would be a lot of work to just add a crit to a roll.

On the Shuttle, you can spend 5 points more effectively.

Right, that's the point. Why put the 'Advanced only' caveat on it? In practice, nobody is ever going to take it on the other Imperial platforms - with a Phantom, you'd need to give up your system slot AND modification slot (to add the TL action), as well as burn an action to get a TL just to use it.

The title reduces the cost of sensors up to four points.

And no I think it's meant for the advanced as giving this to a b-wing would be expensive but really powerful, same for a starviper.

As it is its giving the fighter three attacks without making it attack three, you slap a TL on something 2nd turn while at range three, next turn you focus and enjoy a more effective tie advanced.

More importantly it leaves the tie avenger as a possibility still.

It would be worthless on the Phantom though as it can't TL. Only way you could synergize it would be Jendon, but that would be a lot of work to just add a crit to a roll.

On the Shuttle, you can spend 5 points more effectively.

Right, that's the point. Why put the 'Advanced only' caveat on it? In practice, nobody is ever going to take it on the other Imperial platforms - with a Phantom, you'd need to give up your system slot AND modification slot (to add the TL action), as well as burn an action to get a TL just to use it.

Well, they probably are aware of some things that may come out in the future that would be OP with it.

Also, it gives the Tie Advanced something special that it deserves.

Was hopping excited for Ten Numb, but then i saw the x1 only.

Makes sense, don't want to make keyan OP with 6 dice +1 crit per attack.

Or Ethan getting 2 guaranteed crits per attack, or corran, that monster.

It's really because of the way this "patch" works. You can't take this Sensor upgrade until you take the Tie/x1 title, once you take that title, it reduces the cost of all sensors equipped by 4... It's an order of operations thing and keeps the wording on all the cards/rules clean and clear.

Just to make really, really, really sure it stays on the Advanced.

The reason they didn't make it 1 point, was because the title works on all systems cards. If they made it 1 point it would cost 0. So in order to keep the title and the New card costing 1 point, they had to make it 5 points.

By the way, Yeah!!! I will be able to play my 4 tie advanced again, Granted I have to buy 4 Huge Ships, but yeah!!!!

Scratch that! I think 4 card of each come with the ship. yes!

The reason they didn't make it 1 point, was because the title works on a systems. If they made it 1 point it would cost 0. So in order to keep the title and the New card costing 1 point, they had to make it 5 points.

By the way, Yeah!!! I will be able to play my 4 tie advanced again, Granted I have to buy 4 Huge Ships, but yeah!!!!

There's four of each card, from the look of things

As everyone has said...it's to keep this cheap on the advt but not free and to allow the title to still work well with other things. It was obviously designed w the title in mind...and who knows what else is coming out that this could have been stupidly powerful on...even at 5 pts.

So it didn't cost 0 points on the Advanced?

It would be worthless on the Phantom though as it can't TL. Only way you could synergize it would be Jendon, but that would be a lot of work to just add a crit to a roll.

On the Shuttle, you can spend 5 points more effectively.

Etahn is a bit jealous though.

Well I bought two advanced when I first started because other ships were hard to get, I got a third from a friend that decided armarda was more his thing so with the huge I'll have four.

It'll be nice to have stele be useful.

It's five points so there is definite choice between spending 1 point to get an additional crit (if you have TL) or taking Accuracy Corrector for free - both are a way to fix the Advanced's damage output

Corran Horn especially and top a smaller degree most B-wings are the reason it is "advanced" only.

Corran Horn especially and top a smaller degree most B-wings are the reason it is "advanced" only.

Yeah imagine coran with 2 crits Plus 6 regular attacks against shuttles and firesprays, way too strong.

Lol imagine a Doom Shuttle with HLC + Vader + ADT

4 hits + Crit + Vader Crit ...

So it didn't cost 0 points on the Advanced?

It would be worthless on the Phantom though as it can't TL. Only way you could synergize it would be Jendon, but that would be a lot of work to just add a crit to a roll.

On the Shuttle, you can spend 5 points more effectively.

Actually Jendon won't even synergies with it because Jendon can still pass Target Locks even to ships that do not have Target Lock in their bar.

However the Advanced TL computer point cost is a bit bizarre as it can only be used with the Tie Advanced 1x title. So ATC is really only 1 point because Advanced 1x reduces by 4 and there is no way to equip it without the title.

Corran Horn especially and top a smaller degree most B-wings are the reason it is "advanced" only.

Yeah, the B-Wing breaks it...and who knows what is coming with Scum...ergo my suggestion that it just be 'Imperial Only', rather than 'TIE Advanced only'.

There is enough difference between factions to justify that sort of caveat, but making things specific to a single fighter feels...I dunno...like a hack sort of a patch.

So it didn't cost 0 points on the Advanced?

It would be worthless on the Phantom though as it can't TL. Only way you could synergize it would be Jendon, but that would be a lot of work to just add a crit to a roll.

On the Shuttle, you can spend 5 points more effectively.

Actually Jendon won't even synergies with it because Jendon can still pass Target Locks even to ships that do not have Target Lock in their bar.

However the Advanced TL computer point cost is a bit bizarre as it can only be used with the Tie Advanced 1x title. So ATC is really only 1 point because Advanced 1x reduces by 4 and there is no way to equip it without the title.

How is that cost bizarre? They didn't want it to be free ergo...

There is also the chance that the scum and villiany faction has an illegal upgrade that allows you to equip cards from other factions, making the 5 point cost necessary.

There is enough difference between factions to justify that sort of caveat, but making things specific to a single fighter feels...I dunno...like a hack sort of a patch.

Yeah, stupid ACD, B-Wing title, Chardaan Refit, Bomb Loadout or BTL-A4

As for Phantoms never using it, I can see stuff happening with

Echo, ACD, ATC, VI

Jendon, ST-321

Vessery

First turn, Echo gets an unbreakable target lock and Vessery is a happy puppy.

With two ship lists hanging around that could be a real problem. Not optimal, but a fun little offbeat build.

There is enough difference between factions to justify that sort of caveat, but making things specific to a single fighter feels...I dunno...like a hack sort of a patch.

Yeah, stupid ACD, B-Wing title, Chardaan Refit, Bomb Loadout or BTL-A4

As for Phantoms never using it, I can see stuff happening with

Echo, ACD, ATC, VI

Jendon, ST-321

Vessery

First turn, Echo gets an unbreakable target lock and Vessery is a happy puppy.

With two ship lists hanging around that could be a real problem. Not optimal, but a fun little offbeat build.

ACD makes sense, as only the Phantom has cloak in the first place. I mean, I guess to be pedantic, you could just say 'can only be equipped on a ship with the cloak action' and you'd have the same effect.

And the B-Wing title and Y-Wing title both reflect specific variants of those ships. So it absolutely makes sense those would appear as cards - the only other option for that would be to have those appear as new models/expansions, and I think EVERYONE would cry foul at FFG for going that direction.

But what about the 'advanced fire control' is only usable on a single fighter??

As to your 'proposed build'...I'd say that's exactly why this should be allowed on other fighters. At 5 points, it's going to be REALLY hard to justify the cost, but it could still be useful in some 'not optimal/for fun' builds. As it is, it has a cost that is never seen - it's effectively a one-point card, for no good reason. It's expensive enough (base), that it wouldn't break any other Imperial ship...but offer some potentially amusing variations.

But what about the 'advanced fire control' is only usable on a single fighter??

Well, the X1 had more advanced targeting than other ships at that time, capable of retaining a target lock where other ships would have lost it, according to wookieepedia.