I thought of this as well...but the contention comes from what it says on the card...that dial came with his card so it is safe to assume that that would be the correct dial. The upgrade cards interact the pilot card...not the dial. General consensus seems to state these will work on vader. But I think further clarification is in order.

Except it doesn't work like that. Vader either counts as a TIE Advanced for everything, or he doesn't work with anything that refers to the TIE Advanced.

I beg to differ...why was the distinction even made? I don't think it's as simple and black and white as hour have made it out to be. Ffg has never put components in a pack that the containing ship couldn't use. I look to the pilot card more so than the dial to determine what the pilot is flying (and this has only come up w the adv.)

But this argument is ultimately futile. I am sure this will he clarified and I am pretty certain it will come down on vader being able to use these new cards. We agree there...it just needs to be clarified for future reference.

You do realize that Darth Vader flew a Tie Advanced x1 prototype? And that Storm and Tempest Pilots are flying a limited production run Tie Advanced?(lore wise)

For your argument to make sense, anyone who has EVER fielded Darth Vader has fielded an illegal ship, as his pilot card has no legal dial.

Also the title says Tie/x1, not Tie Advanced x1, like Vader's pilot card, so you still don't have anything.

Its a wee bit of fluff. Move on. Let go.

And you haven't seen several people who have the same concern/confusion? As I said I am certain that vader will be able to use these. I would agree that this was only a wee bit of fluff it it weren't listed as the ship he flush. The dial works because it was the only dial packed w his ship...there is no separate dial so at worst it was grandfathered in as his dial. This all could have been avoided if the had just written TIE advanced on his card. If that was not the case, then one could make a case for vader being illegal yes (not that i would...talk about the hight of douchebaggery) I had always wondered how a TIE advt only card wide interact with him for this very reason.

I am sorry some of you want to get all Huffy because some of us would like some clarification...it's needed to placate that WAAC rules lawyer you will inevitably bump into at your next tourney. As I have said...I agree that vader will get access to these upgrades.

But the concern and question is quite valid. FFG will get me my answer soon enough.

Assuming we get a Gozanti.

This.

I mean, we already have the Decimator, which at least partially fills the table when building Imperial Epic lists... One Raider, 2 Decimators, and a few small fighters will look pretty **** sweet as far as I'm concerned.

Free upgrade, no drawback, no unique limitation. Interesting. Well, this officially means every single tie advanced will have a system upgrade. There's literally no reason not to.

Agreed - that's sort of disappointing to see.

I would have preferred a slightly more powerful upgrade that HAD a cost...or maybe a similar upgrade with a serious opportunity cost or disadvantage or something...

As it is, there is nothing balancing this out - sure, the Advanced needed a fix, but...this way...as noted, it's just a card every TIE Advance will always be taking.

Kinda...lame.

Maybe. The only opportunity cost would be if they eventually came out with a second title for the TIE Advanced, and by using this one you couldn't use the other. But still, there is no reason to go without any title (that we know of yet).

Why should it have an opportunity cost? The Advanced is the most underpowered ship in the game. Why chance that the opportunity cost would be too much and they would end up including a fix that doesn't work in an $80 box? The change to the Advanced needed to be huge and drastic with no chance that it would be ignored by the player base.

Well, now at least I'll have a reason to "want" to play an epic game. One huge ship vs a swarm did not ring any "this is fun" bells in my mind, but 2 huge ships clashing against each other with fighters scrambling left and right... now that's something I want to see (and particpate in)!

Well, now at least I'll have a reason to "want" to play an epic game. One huge ship vs a swarm did not ring any "this is fun" bells in my mind, but 2 huge ships clashing against each other with fighters scrambling left and right... now that's something I want to see (and particpate in)!

ABSOLUTELY! I 100% Agree!

Agreed, this is the shot in the arm Epic play sorely needed.

Well, now at least I'll have a reason to "want" to play an epic game. One huge ship vs a swarm did not ring any "this is fun" bells in my mind, but 2 huge ships clashing against each other with fighters scrambling left and right... now that's something I want to see (and particpate in)!

I need to brush up on my Imperial Officer quotes.

"You may fire when ready."

"Intensify forward firepower, I don't want anything to get through."

"Good. Our first catch of the day."

"We only need to keep them from escaping."

One huge ship vs a swarm did not ring any "this is fun" bells in my mind

Opening sequence of KoTOR did this quite well.

I thought of this as well...but the contention comes from what it says on the card...that dial came with his card so it is safe to assume that that would be the correct dial. The upgrade cards interact the pilot card...not the dial. General consensus seems to state these will work on vader. But I think further clarification is in order.

Except it doesn't work like that. Vader either counts as a TIE Advanced for everything, or he doesn't work with anything that refers to the TIE Advanced.

I beg to differ...why was the distinction even made? I don't think it's as simple and black and white as hour have made it out to be. Ffg has never put components in a pack that the containing ship couldn't use. I look to the pilot card more so than the dial to determine what the pilot is flying (and this has only come up w the adv.)

But this argument is ultimately futile. I am sure this will he clarified and I am pretty certain it will come down on vader being able to use these new cards. We agree there...it just needs to be clarified for future reference.

You do realize that Darth Vader flew a Tie Advanced x1 prototype? And that Storm and Tempest Pilots are flying a limited production run Tie Advanced?(lore wise)

For your argument to make sense, anyone who has EVER fielded Darth Vader has fielded an illegal ship, as his pilot card has no legal dial.

Also the title says Tie/x1, not Tie Advanced x1, like Vader's pilot card, so you still don't have anything.

Its a wee bit of fluff. Move on. Let go.

And you haven't seen several people who have the same concern/confusion? As I said I am certain that vader will be able to use these. I would agree that this was only a wee bit of fluff it it weren't listed as the ship he flush. The dial works because it was the only dial packed w his ship...there is no separate dial so at worst it was grandfathered in as his dial. This all could have been avoided if the had just written TIE advanced on his card. If that was not the case, then one could make a case for vader being illegal yes (not that i would...talk about the hight of douchebaggery) I had always wondered how a TIE advt only card wide interact with him for this very reason.

I am sorry some of you want to get all Huffy because some of us would like some clarification...it's needed to placate that WAAC rules lawyer you will inevitably bump into at your next tourney. As I have said...I agree that vader will get access to these upgrades.

But the concern and question is quite valid. FFG will get me my answer soon enough.

Or you could not pick at a largely irrelevant thread. This isn't GWS.

I need to brush up on my Imperial Officer quotes.

"You may fire when ready."

"Intensify forward firepower, I don't want anything to get through."

"Good. Our first catch of the day."

"We only need to keep them from escaping."

Bounty Hunters? We don't need that scum.

I think you overestimate their chances.

Designed with Lucasfilm.

There's no way, but it's be amazing if this was a first look look at a ship from Ep VII

I wonder what all those people wide-eyed proclaiming that the Star Destroyer was the "only choice" for Epic "to be thematic and proper" are feeling now. This isn't a Star Destroyer, but if you squint it's close enough?

Nice that the Empire have something to call their own at this scale. Wonder how it plays...

Didn't see it in this thread, anybody postet this spoiled card, that isn't in the text of the raider?

Designed with Lucasfilm.

There's no way, but it's be amazing if this was a first look look at a ship from Ep VII

The Raider does have a very JJ Abrams vibe coming off of it

Didn't see it in this thread, anybody postet this spoiled card, that isn't in the text of the raider?

Sweet lord almighty, i didn't think my erection could get any worse today.

I thought of this as well...but the contention comes from what it says on the card...that dial came with his card so it is safe to assume that that would be the correct dial. The upgrade cards interact the pilot card...not the dial. General consensus seems to state these will work on vader. But I think further clarification is in order.

Except it doesn't work like that. Vader either counts as a TIE Advanced for everything, or he doesn't work with anything that refers to the TIE Advanced.

I beg to differ...why was the distinction even made? I don't think it's as simple and black and white as hour have made it out to be. Ffg has never put components in a pack that the containing ship couldn't use. I look to the pilot card more so than the dial to determine what the pilot is flying (and this has only come up w the adv.)

But this argument is ultimately futile. I am sure this will he clarified and I am pretty certain it will come down on vader being able to use these new cards. We agree there...it just needs to be clarified for future reference.

You do realize that Darth Vader flew a Tie Advanced x1 prototype? And that Storm and Tempest Pilots are flying a limited production run Tie Advanced?(lore wise)

For your argument to make sense, anyone who has EVER fielded Darth Vader has fielded an illegal ship, as his pilot card has no legal dial.

Also the title says Tie/x1, not Tie Advanced x1, like Vader's pilot card, so you still don't have anything.

Its a wee bit of fluff. Move on. Let go.

And you haven't seen several people who have the same concern/confusion? As I said I am certain that vader will be able to use these. I would agree that this was only a wee bit of fluff it it weren't listed as the ship he flush. The dial works because it was the only dial packed w his ship...there is no separate dial so at worst it was grandfathered in as his dial. This all could have been avoided if the had just written TIE advanced on his card. If that was not the case, then one could make a case for vader being illegal yes (not that i would...talk about the hight of douchebaggery) I had always wondered how a TIE advt only card wide interact with him for this very reason.

I am sorry some of you want to get all Huffy because some of us would like some clarification...it's needed to placate that WAAC rules lawyer you will inevitably bump into at your next tourney. As I have said...I agree that vader will get access to these upgrades.

But the concern and question is quite valid. FFG will get me my answer soon enough.

Or you could not pick at a largely irrelevant thread. This isn't GWS.

The same could be said of your engagement with me on this issue. I don't feel it's.irrelevant, you seem to disagree. That's fine. Sorry a clarification discussion grinds your gears so. I and a few others feel this way...why OS this so wrong or bad for you?

I thought of this as well...but the contention comes from what it says on the card...that dial came with his card so it is safe to assume that that would be the correct dial. The upgrade cards interact the pilot card...not the dial. General consensus seems to state these will work on vader. But I think further clarification is in order.

Except it doesn't work like that. Vader either counts as a TIE Advanced for everything, or he doesn't work with anything that refers to the TIE Advanced.

I beg to differ...why was the distinction even made? I don't think it's as simple and black and white as hour have made it out to be. Ffg has never put components in a pack that the containing ship couldn't use. I look to the pilot card more so than the dial to determine what the pilot is flying (and this has only come up w the adv.)

But this argument is ultimately futile. I am sure this will he clarified and I am pretty certain it will come down on vader being able to use these new cards. We agree there...it just needs to be clarified for future reference.

You do realize that Darth Vader flew a Tie Advanced x1 prototype? And that Storm and Tempest Pilots are flying a limited production run Tie Advanced?(lore wise)

For your argument to make sense, anyone who has EVER fielded Darth Vader has fielded an illegal ship, as his pilot card has no legal dial.

Also the title says Tie/x1, not Tie Advanced x1, like Vader's pilot card, so you still don't have anything.

Its a wee bit of fluff. Move on. Let go.

And you haven't seen several people who have the same concern/confusion? As I said I am certain that vader will be able to use these. I would agree that this was only a wee bit of fluff it it weren't listed as the ship he flush. The dial works because it was the only dial packed w his ship...there is no separate dial so at worst it was grandfathered in as his dial. This all could have been avoided if the had just written TIE advanced on his card. If that was not the case, then one could make a case for vader being illegal yes (not that i would...talk about the hight of douchebaggery) I had always wondered how a TIE advt only card wide interact with him for this very reason.

I am sorry some of you want to get all Huffy because some of us would like some clarification...it's needed to placate that WAAC rules lawyer you will inevitably bump into at your next tourney. As I have said...I agree that vader will get access to these upgrades.

But the concern and question is quite valid. FFG will get me my answer soon enough.

Or you could not pick at a largely irrelevant thread. This isn't GWS.

The same could be said of your engagement with me on this issue. I don't feel it's.irrelevant, you seem to disagree. That's fine. Sorry a clarification discussion grinds your gears so. I and a few others feel this way...why OS this so wrong or bad for you?

Because this kind of nitpicking is exactly the kind of **** i got out of W40k for.

Very nice...Yep just take my money. My suggestion: See if you can find a faster boat.

Hey guys. Fly casual, post casual.

I'm wondering if this is gonna be 2 epic points or 3.

The CR-90 is 3, so I expect this to be 3 as well. I can't see how it could possibly be 2, that's the price of a GR-75.

It can't be 4 points, because then it couldn't be used in a team epic game, since the most either side can use is 3.

Didn't see it in this thread, anybody postet this spoiled card, that isn't in the text of the raider?

Very nice. Thanks for posting that. I can see putting one of them on my CR-90 as well as the Raider.

Free upgrade, no drawback, no unique limitation. Interesting. Well, this officially means every single tie advanced will have a system upgrade. There's literally no reason not to.

Agreed - that's sort of disappointing to see.

I would have preferred a slightly more powerful upgrade that HAD a cost...or maybe a similar upgrade with a serious opportunity cost or disadvantage or something...

As it is, there is nothing balancing this out - sure, the Advanced needed a fix, but...this way...as noted, it's just a card every TIE Advance will always be taking.

Kinda...lame.

Maybe. The only opportunity cost would be if they eventually came out with a second title for the TIE Advanced, and by using this one you couldn't use the other. But still, there is no reason to go without any title (that we know of yet).

My Squints always take the Royal Guard title. Even when they have fewer than 2 mods on them.

Because I can.

I thought of this as well...but the contention comes from what it says on the card...that dial came with his card so it is safe to assume that that would be the correct dial. The upgrade cards interact the pilot card...not the dial. General consensus seems to state these will work on vader. But I think further clarification is in order.

Except it doesn't work like that. Vader either counts as a TIE Advanced for everything, or he doesn't work with anything that refers to the TIE Advanced.

I beg to differ...why was the distinction even made? I don't think it's as simple and black and white as hour have made it out to be. Ffg has never put components in a pack that the containing ship couldn't use. I look to the pilot card more so than the dial to determine what the pilot is flying (and this has only come up w the adv.)

But this argument is ultimately futile. I am sure this will he clarified and I am pretty certain it will come down on vader being able to use these new cards. We agree there...it just needs to be clarified for future reference.

You do realize that Darth Vader flew a Tie Advanced x1 prototype? And that Storm and Tempest Pilots are flying a limited production run Tie Advanced?(lore wise)

For your argument to make sense, anyone who has EVER fielded Darth Vader has fielded an illegal ship, as his pilot card has no legal dial.

Also the title says Tie/x1, not Tie Advanced x1, like Vader's pilot card, so you still don't have anything.

Its a wee bit of fluff. Move on. Let go.

And you haven't seen several people who have the same concern/confusion? As I said I am certain that vader will be able to use these. I would agree that this was only a wee bit of fluff it it weren't listed as the ship he flush. The dial works because it was the only dial packed w his ship...there is no separate dial so at worst it was grandfathered in as his dial. This all could have been avoided if the had just written TIE advanced on his card. If that was not the case, then one could make a case for vader being illegal yes (not that i would...talk about the hight of douchebaggery) I had always wondered how a TIE advt only card wide interact with him for this very reason.

I am sorry some of you want to get all Huffy because some of us would like some clarification...it's needed to placate that WAAC rules lawyer you will inevitably bump into at your next tourney. As I have said...I agree that vader will get access to these upgrades.

But the concern and question is quite valid. FFG will get me my answer soon enough.

Or you could not pick at a largely irrelevant thread. This isn't GWS.

The same could be said of your engagement with me on this issue. I don't feel it's.irrelevant, you seem to disagree. That's fine. Sorry a clarification discussion grinds your gears so. I and a few others feel this way...why OS this so wrong or bad for you?

Because this kind of nitpicking is exactly the kind of **** i got out of W40k for.

I can sympathize with that. We will just have to agree to disagree on the importance/relevance of this issue.

For people debating whether or not Vader can use the TIE/x1 title, it says he can right below the image...

Together, these upgrades greatly enhance the TIE Advanced’s existing strengths and give the Rebellion far more reason to fear such renowned Imperial pilots as Darth Vader and Maarek Stele.

So this is for epic table battles and not for casual play...ok cool well just what is the point size for epic battles? I know standard play is 100 but I have never seen anything on the point standard for this scale.