What's with all the "what's the point of the wings"?? I can understand not liking them, "but what's the point"???? They're solar panels, which means they're there to provide a secondary (maybe even primary) source of power.

I really, really don't like the Raider, and unlike a lot of you guys, I'm not at all happy with the model. I think FFG are wrong when they claim no Imp ships are comparable in size to the corellian corvette. Take the Imperial Customs Corvette for instance: http://www.moddb.com/mods/foc-alliance-22x/images/custom-corvette1

Its only 30 meters longer than the CR90, so I can't really see the size being a problem. Its a cool looking ship, at least in my opinion, that is part of the EU.

Personally I find it mildly condesending that they would assume an Imp. ship would need to be wedgeshaped for people to realize its Imperial. To make matters worse they decide to put those absolutely ridiculouslooking wings/panels on there that look like giant interceptorwings to drive the point home. Alright I get it. Its Imperial.

Admiral,

I respect your opinion but it is just that... YOUR opinion (... probably others as well... perhaps "many others"). However, I cannot disagree with you more regarding the design and aesthetics of the Imperial Customs Corvette you mention. As "rediculouslooking" as you think those Radiator/Solar Panels on FFG's model look (and I kind agree with you), the overall design is tons better and makes more sense (from a starship design perspective as well as a XWM gaming piece) than the ICC. Those "forks" on the cutter are just as "rediculouslooking" and impractical.

Also, as a design, FFGs choice of creating something 'new' to suit their needs is just as legit as the choice of the ICC's creator to fit their needs. Both designs (presumably) received Lucas Films approval so are equally "cannon". You just happen to have some sentimental attachment to the ICC (presumably because of your gaming experience with its source material) and happen to like the "look" of the ship better. I (and others, I assume) do not have the same attachment to the ICC through (whatever game it was created for) that gaming experience and have never liked the "looks" of the Cutter.

Time and hard currency will prove if FFG made the right decision.

Just my opinion here, as you have already expressed yours. Personally, I cannot wait to get my hands on FFG's new epic ship... It will make an awesome "canvas" for a repaint, as will the new TIE Advanced!

What's with all the "what's the point of the wings"?? I can understand not liking them, "but what's the point"???? They're solar panels, which means they're there to provide a secondary (maybe even primary) source of power.

Radiators... not Solar Panels, I think. Makes more sense.

... to me, at any rate.

Not sure why people are in a huff about creating a new ship. It's not like FFG is adding newly created ships to a WWII dog fighting game. This is a fantasy game after all. Also, Lucasfilm being involved makes it way more credible.

I have only played a few epic games. This will encourage me to play more epic AND let me use my Tie Advanced more. I'm a happy camper.

MIght be too new canon-wise, but Tarkin's ship in the new Tarkin novel was a corvette called the "Carrion Spike." Only was very generally identified as a "corvette."

should've named it the "Reaper", instead of the "Raider"

I really, really don't like the Raider, and unlike a lot of you guys, I'm not at all happy with the model. I think FFG are wrong when they claim no Imp ships are comparable in size to the corellian corvette. Take the Imperial Customs Corvette for instance: http://www.moddb.com/mods/foc-alliance-22x/images/custom-corvette1

Its only 30 meters longer than the CR90, so I can't really see the size being a problem. Its a cool looking ship, at least in my opinion, that is part of the EU.

Personally I find it mildly condesending that they would assume an Imp. ship would need to be wedgeshaped for people to realize its Imperial. To make matters worse they decide to put those absolutely ridiculouslooking wings/panels on there that look like giant interceptorwings to drive the point home. Alright I get it. Its Imperial.

Admiral,

I respect your opinion but it is just that... YOUR opinion (... probably others as well... perhaps "many others"). However, I cannot disagree with you more regarding the design and aesthetics of the Imperial Customs Corvette you mention. As "rediculouslooking" as you think those Radiator/Solar Panels on FFG's model look (and I kind agree with you), the overall design is tons better and makes more sense (from a starship design perspective as well as a XWM gaming piece) than the ICC. Those "forks" on the cutter are just as "rediculouslooking" and impractical.

Also, as a design, FFGs choice of creating something 'new' to suit their needs is just as legit as the choice of the ICC's creator to fit their needs. Both designs (presumably) received Lucas Films approval so are equally "cannon". You just happen to have some sentimental attachment to the ICC (presumably because of your gaming experience with its source material) and happen to like the "look" of the ship better. I (and others, I assume) do not have the same attachment to the ICC through (whatever game it was created for) that gaming experience and have never liked the "looks" of the Cutter.

Time and hard currency will prove if FFG made the right decision.

Just my opinion here, as you have already expressed yours. Personally, I cannot wait to get my hands on FFG's new epic ship... It will make an awesome "canvas" for a repaint, as will the new TIE Advanced!

I am well aware that what I expressed is MY oppinion - and I would never demand anyone to take it for anything more than that.

As far as shipdesign goes and ridiculouslooking appendages the cockpit and "forks" of the Falcon doesn't seem to be an issue with anyone...

I do not have any particular attachment to any ship, but if you study the imperial ships filling out the gap between the Fighters/shuttles and the destroyer-size ships you will not find a single example of the wedgeshaped design. What I dislike is the fact that FFG has designed a ship that looks more like a miniature Star destroyer than any other ship of comparable size previously created/released anywhere in the franchise. For that reason it doesn't "feel" like a believable ship to me, but I'm sure the majority will disagree with me, and yet even you agree with me in part when it comes to the panel-thingies. I bet this design will sell a lot more copies than for example the ICC, simply because it looks a lot more like a Star destroyer. Call me a hopeless romantic and naive, but I was personally hoping that FFG would choose something closer along the lines of what already exists in the Star Wars-universe, instead of choosing something that to my eyes looks like the unholy byproduct of a stormy romance between an Interceptor and a Star destroyer ;-) but I fully respect that others might feel very differently, as this is just MY oppinion.

I really, really don't like the Raider, and unlike a lot of you guys, I'm not at all happy with the model. I think FFG are wrong when they claim no Imp ships are comparable in size to the corellian corvette. Take the Imperial Customs Corvette for instance: http://www.moddb.com/mods/foc-alliance-22x/images/custom-corvette1

Its only 30 meters longer than the CR90, so I can't really see the size being a problem. Its a cool looking ship, at least in my opinion, that is part of the EU.

Personally I find it mildly condesending that they would assume an Imp. ship would need to be wedgeshaped for people to realize its Imperial. To make matters worse they decide to put those absolutely ridiculouslooking wings/panels on there that look like giant interceptorwings to drive the point home. Alright I get it. Its Imperial.

Admiral,

I respect your opinion but it is just that... YOUR opinion (... probably others as well... perhaps "many others"). However, I cannot disagree with you more regarding the design and aesthetics of the Imperial Customs Corvette you mention. As "rediculouslooking" as you think those Radiator/Solar Panels on FFG's model look (and I kind agree with you), the overall design is tons better and makes more sense (from a starship design perspective as well as a XWM gaming piece) than the ICC. Those "forks" on the cutter are just as "rediculouslooking" and impractical.

Also, as a design, FFGs choice of creating something 'new' to suit their needs is just as legit as the choice of the ICC's creator to fit their needs. Both designs (presumably) received Lucas Films approval so are equally "cannon". You just happen to have some sentimental attachment to the ICC (presumably because of your gaming experience with its source material) and happen to like the "look" of the ship better. I (and others, I assume) do not have the same attachment to the ICC through (whatever game it was created for) that gaming experience and have never liked the "looks" of the Cutter.

Time and hard currency will prove if FFG made the right decision.

Just my opinion here, as you have already expressed yours. Personally, I cannot wait to get my hands on FFG's new epic ship... It will make an awesome "canvas" for a repaint, as will the new TIE Advanced!

@Chris Maes

I am well aware that what I expressed is MY oppinion - and I would never demand anyone to take it for anything more than that.

As far as shipdesign goes and ridiculouslooking appendages the cockpit and "forks" of the Falcon doesn't seem to be an issue with anyone...

I do not have any particular attachment to any ship, but if you study the imperial ships filling out the gap between the Fighters/shuttles and the destroyer-size ships you will not find a single example of the wedgeshaped design. What I dislike is the fact that FFG has designed a ship that looks more like a miniature Star destroyer than any other ship of comparable size previously created/released anywhere in the franchise. For that reason it doesn't "feel" like a believable ship to me, but I'm sure the majority will disagree with me, and yet even you agree with me in part when it comes to the panel-thingies. I bet this design will sell a lot more copies than for example the ICC, simply because it looks a lot more like a Star destroyer. Call me a hopeless romantic and naive, but I was personally hoping that FFG would choose something closer along the lines of what already exists in the Star Wars-universe, instead of choosing something that to my eyes looks like the unholy byproduct of a stormy romance between an Interceptor and a Star destroyer ;-) but I fully respect that others might feel very differently, as this is just MY oppinion.

@Admiral

On the falcon the 'fork' did have a good functional use to it and gave a little flair to what was otherwise a flying saucer. The ICC also has a similar function, but at the size it is obtuse when considering the size of the overall ship, it looks a bit much for what it's trying to do. About your 'no wedge shape design' you are simply flat wrong, I can't help you there. The Vigil is wedge, and your ICC even is a wedged, the Bayonet-class is wedged, flip the Gozanti over and look on it's belly, wedge again, Escort Carrier was three stacked and nested wedges (A scratch build of one is being built in a thread on the main page. This last one is probably going to be canonized as the Raiders closest relative. See "[Epic Ship Scratch Build] Storm Commando Escort Carrier) After the formation of the empire the Republic assault cruiser would have been in there. So yeah, pie slices everywhere. And this is FFG's baby. Their very own new ship to add to the growing universe. One of the first new additions since the Disney take over. It's a big deal for them and us as the fan and player base that got them here. The last thing anybody should be doing is butt-hurting about the look. We should be throwing them a freaking baby shower.

I can't wait to see the 360 gif of the ship! Hurry up FFG post a 360 view!

I'm sorry. I'm a bad person and all I can think is "your baby is ugly and you should feel bad".

This is not a true thing. And no one should ever say it.

The Imperial Customs Corvette looks fine, but I think its width would be a little annoying on the table.

The Imperial Customs Corvette looks fine, but I think its width would be a little annoying on the table.

Having played a TON of epic myself, meh not likely? I mean we thought the engine section on the Tantive would be a pain but it really hasn't been. If anything the Decimator still keeps the title of Most Obtrusive Game Piece. It should be fine. I mean come on, it's custom designed to the game right?

... I was personally hoping that FFG would choose something closer along the lines of what already exists in the Star Wars-universe, instead of choosing something that to my eyes looks like the unholy byproduct of a stormy romance between an Interceptor and a Star destroyer ;-) ...

So, your argument is in favor of the holy matrimony that Lucasfilm had with WEG and all of his subsequent wives, but FFG is just some hussy with a love child?

Anybody notice the new -- no, actually new -- target lock tokens? Think they're paired for the Advanced Targeting System? It looks like a mini TIE/Adv instead of lettering this time. But there's only the one pair so idk.

Someone in anther thread (who was implying that he had inside info, so take that for what you will) was saying that the rear section of the raider has 2 actions, coordinate and a new action represented by 2 inward pointing arrows. Now, I looked at the picture and that icon looks kinda like a target lock icon to me, but if he is right then maybe what we have is something that is for TLs what reinforce is to evades. Instead of acquiring regular TLs, maybe this thing has an action to aquire super TLs, and that is what those counters are.

Anybody notice the new -- no, actually new -- target lock tokens? Think they're paired for the Advanced Targeting System? It looks like a mini TIE/Adv instead of lettering this time. But there's only the one pair so idk.

Someone in anther thread (who was implying that he had inside info, so take that for what you will) was saying that the rear section of the raider has 2 actions, coordinate and a new action represented by 2 inward pointing arrows. Now, I looked at the picture and that icon looks kinda like a target lock icon to me, but if he is right then maybe what we have is something that is for TLs what reinforce is to evades. Instead of acquiring regular TLs, maybe this thing has an action to aquire super TLs, and that is what those counters are.

Thats just the normal TL icon and the tokens are the AA/BB set that already came in a wave4? set which i dont remember

I really, really don't like the Raider, and unlike a lot of you guys, I'm not at all happy with the model. I think FFG are wrong when they claim no Imp ships are comparable in size to the corellian corvette. Take the Imperial Customs Corvette for instance: http://www.moddb.com/mods/foc-alliance-22x/images/custom-corvette1Its only 30 meters longer than the CR90, so I can't really see the size being a problem. Its a cool looking ship, at least in my opinion, that is part of the EU.Personally I find it mildly condesending that they would assume an Imp. ship would need to be wedgeshaped for people to realize its Imperial. To make matters worse they decide to put those absolutely ridiculouslooking wings/panels on there that look like giant interceptorwings to drive the point home. Alright I get it. Its Imperial.

Admiral,I respect your opinion but it is just that... YOUR opinion (... probably others as well... perhaps "many others"). However, I cannot disagree with you more regarding the design and aesthetics of the Imperial Customs Corvette you mention. As "rediculouslooking" as you think those Radiator/Solar Panels on FFG's model look (and I kind agree with you), the overall design is tons better and makes more sense (from a starship design perspective as well as a XWM gaming piece) than the ICC. Those "forks" on the cutter are just as "rediculouslooking" and impractical.Also, as a design, FFGs choice of creating something 'new' to suit their needs is just as legit as the choice of the ICC's creator to fit their needs. Both designs (presumably) received Lucas Films approval so are equally "cannon". You just happen to have some sentimental attachment to the ICC (presumably because of your gaming experience with its source material) and happen to like the "look" of the ship better. I (and others, I assume) do not have the same attachment to the ICC through (whatever game it was created for) that gaming experience and have never liked the "looks" of the Cutter.Time and hard currency will prove if FFG made the right decision.Just my opinion here, as you have already expressed yours. Personally, I cannot wait to get my hands on FFG's new epic ship... It will make an awesome "canvas" for a repaint, as will the new TIE Advanced!

@Chris MaesI am well aware that what I expressed is MY oppinion - and I would never demand anyone to take it for anything more than that.As far as shipdesign goes and ridiculouslooking appendages the cockpit and "forks" of the Falcon doesn't seem to be an issue with anyone...I do not have any particular attachment to any ship, but if you study the imperial ships filling out the gap between the Fighters/shuttles and the destroyer-size ships you will not find a single example of the wedgeshaped design. What I dislike is the fact that FFG has designed a ship that looks more like a miniature Star destroyer than any other ship of comparable size previously created/released anywhere in the franchise. For that reason it doesn't "feel" like a believable ship to me, but I'm sure the majority will disagree with me, and yet even you agree with me in part when it comes to the panel-thingies. I bet this design will sell a lot more copies than for example the ICC, simply because it looks a lot more like a Star destroyer. Call me a hopeless romantic and naive, but I was personally hoping that FFG would choose something closer along the lines of what already exists in the Star Wars-universe, instead of choosing something that to my eyes looks like the unholy byproduct of a stormy romance between an Interceptor and a Star destroyer ;-) but I fully respect that others might feel very differently, as this is just MY oppinion.

@AdmiralOn the falcon the 'fork' did have a good functional use to it and gave a little flair to what was otherwise a flying saucer. The ICC also has a similar function, but at the size it is obtuse when considering the size of the overall ship, it looks a bit much for what it's trying to do. About your 'no wedge shape design' you are simply flat wrong, I can't help you there. The Vigil is wedge, and your ICC even is a wedged, the Bayonet-class is wedged, flip the Gozanti over and look on it's belly, wedge again, Escort Carrier was three stacked and nested wedges (A scratch build of one is being built in a thread on the main page. This last one is probably going to be canonized as the Raiders closest relative. See "[Epic Ship Scratch Build] Storm Commando Escort Carrier) After the formation of the empire the Republic assault cruiser would have been in there. So yeah, pie slices everywhere. And this is FFG's baby. Their very own new ship to add to the growing universe. One of the first new additions since the Disney take over. It's a big deal for them and us as the fan and player base that got them here. The last thing anybody should be doing is butt-hurting about the look. We should be throwing them a freaking baby shower.

Point taken, Force. My knowledge of the imperial armada is mostly from pen and paper roleplaying games, a lot of videogame titles and a few novels, so I didn't know the bayonet, the vigil or that escort carrier.

Consider me the rude uncle ruining the babyshower with inapropriate remarks about how the baby is ugly and not at all what he expected - and I apologize if I have ruined this joyous day for anyone... But I still think the baby is ugly! ;-)

Hmmm, so they took the Lancer fluff, and stuck it on a new, Star Destroyer looking ship?

Ehh, I'll take it. Heck, I'll take two.

Now, the TIEx1 cards are fine and dandy, but as someone who's going to be fielding this baby as often as he can... does it come with any cards that fixes the firepower output that plagues the Corvette? The Corvette really can't be fielded and fight a squadron properly. The energy system just screws over your firepower too much for that to work. But a dedicated anti-fighter platform should be having a good shot at taking out its points worth of fighters, shouldn't it?

Pretty exciting too see. Significantly more bummed about losing my job now lol. If this came out three weeks ago I would have sprung for a CR90 almost immediately in preparation. Gonna be tough to squeeze this in, but I'm super excited about how the advanced fix came out.

should've named it the "Reaper", instead of the "Raider"

At first, I also thought that the name 'Raider' was misplaced, given it's connotation of piracy. However, if you think of a police raid, the word is not so much a statement of lawlessness as it is a run & hit tactic.

The Corvette really can't be fielded and fight a squadron properly.

Because it uses turbolasers and the Imperials have lots of three agility ships. Corvettes punch holes in Decimators like a cruise missile through polystyrene. I find the corvette pulls its weight when it's got quad lasers. I also think arming every hardpoint isn't the best of ideas.

Now, the TIEx1 cards are fine and dandy, but as someone who's going to be fielding this baby as often as he can... does it come with any cards that fixes the firepower output that plagues the Corvette? The Corvette really can't be fielded and fight a squadron properly. The energy system just screws over your firepower too much for that to work. But a dedicated anti-fighter platform should be having a good shot at taking out its points worth of fighters, shouldn't it?

Yeah, regardless of how (Un?)Awesome anyone thinks the ship's design is... it won't matter if they don't fix the core issues with Huge ships and Epic play. Now, the Reaper has a higher Energy cap than the CR90, but unless it can generate more energy than the CR90 per turn, it'll still fire either ineffective Quad Lasers that no small ship will get in range of anyways or a Single Turbo every other turn that still allows 4 Agility dice against simple X-Wings.

They added new Ion Batteries... which are an okay start. 2 Energy to fire, so you pretty much have to move 1 forward every turn if you want to repeatedly fire even simply two of them every round. But it fires at Range 2-4, which is absolutely excellent compared to Quad Lasers (waaaaay too short!) and Single Turbos (Minimum range is ridiculous). I see these as becoming the new "primary" Hardpoint. The disruption an ion+Tactician stress will cause is just so much more effective than sometimes doing an extra point of damage or 2 with the Quads.

But what we need are a larger variety of Team upgrades and Cargo upgrades. If the readings in this thread are correct, with:

Bottom row:

Single turbolaser x2

Ion cannon battery x4

Quad laser cannons x2

Engineering team

Sensor team

Tibanna gas supplies

Engine booster

Backup shield generator

Comms booster

3x raider titles

Then we're just seeing more of the same, when they should be pushing to introduce maybe 6 to 8 completely new ones. As it is, the Tantive IV-equipped CR90 can't even fill all of its Team slots! Well, it can, but it has to have a duplicate upgrade of which the effects do not even stack.

So, in short, the problems with Epic gunships (Inability to modify attacks consistently, energy consumption of weapons, and lack of upgrades) aren't at all being addressed from what they've revealed. And unless they do, Epic play will still just be a standard dogfight match, but at 300 points.

They're still probably going to be releasing a GR-75 equivalent at some point, and some Scum ships, too, so it's not completely hopeless. I'm just glad we're getting Armada soon...

Well, for my part, Huge ships are tremendous fun, but they're also challenging. Maybe they're a bit UP, but I'll fly one every chance I get. So, no, Epic is not just a 300pnt standard dogfight deathmatch. It's just that for those who don't have the stones to fly Huge.

OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!

Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The FFG article should have the Imperial March on autoplay when you open the news article!

Totally right.

I will be surprised if there isn't another Epic size Imperial Ship. With Epic rules allowing a max of 5 epic points, this will leave 2 points that couldn't be used if the Raider is Epic 3 just like the Tantive 4.

I'm willing to bet we'll see a Gozanti. That would definitely be more in line with the GR-75's relationship to the CR-90.

I must have missed this somewhere deep in this thread, but why does everyone have a massive hard on for the Gozanti as a Huge ship? It's 42 meters long according to wookipedia. That's less than half the length of the GR-75. Only 3 meters longer than the Decimator. What drugs are you people taking to even be considering it as viable for a Huge Epic ship?