This happened on Vassal last night

My Xizor was flying close to Binayre pirates.

I get shot from an Ion Cannon Dash, he gets 3 hits.

I was out of arc and equipped with Autothrusters, I roll Evade-Blank-Focus. I turn the Blank into an Evade.

Then, can I pass on the uncancelled hit to a Binayre pirate at range 1? This could have the effect of preventing the ion effect and damage on Xizor and pass BOTH of them to a Binayre pirate (which follows what the ion turret card says: if the attack hits, do the whole ion token thing and 1 damage).

since Ion cannon specifies defender, even if you pass an uncancelled hit or crit, the attack hits and Xizor would suffer the effects as the pirate was not the defender

Xizors ability triggers after beeing hit, but before dmg resolve. so you could pass the dmg done by the ion-cannon effect, but you can't deny beeing hit.

And then that uncanceled hit to xizors buddy is then canceled by the ion cannon (because it cancels all die rolls) while xizor (the defender) still takes a damage and receives an ion token right?

Xizors ability triggers after beeing hit, but before dmg resolve. so you could pass the dmg done by the ion-cannon effect, but you can't deny beeing hit.

I'm not sure that's the correct interpretation. I know there was quite a bit of discussion over DTF and Ion effects, with I believe the net result being that one can pull the uncanceled crit, and take a crit, and then the ion would still do a damage to the defender... AKA, no reason to ever pull an ion with DTF. I would expect this to happen the same way.

You're not passing the uncancelled hit, you are passing the damage. Xizor is still the one getting hit by the attack, and therefore, should take the ion token.

EDIT: just looked at the card again. I'm wrong, you are passing the actual hit result.

This will have to be FAQ'd. I don't think there is a right way to do it based on the rules as they currently exist. My guess would be that he passes the damage but still gets ioned.

This will have to be FAQ'd. I don't think there is a right way to do it based on the rules as they currently exist. My guess would be that he passes the damage but still gets ioned.

Xizor passes an uncancelled hit result

Ion cannon then cancels all results and deals the defender 1 damage. The uncancelled hit was cancelled by the ion effect meaning xizor's ability is useless in this instance.

Edit: no matter what you do with the uncancelled results, nothing stops the fact that xizor was "hit" as defined by the rules (like if a ship with stealth device is "hit" by an attack they still lose the SD even if there was no damage). Ion cannon doesn't care what happens to the results. If for any reason the defender is "hit" they take 1 damage and an ion token. Nothing you can do about it.

To quote the wrong franchise: "fascinating." I don't see any clear way to answer this without an FAQ which won't happen until the Starviper gets released. The ion turret adds and extra little clause about "hits the target ship" which piles on some more delicious uncertainty. Could conceivably rule three ways:

1. Xizor passes the hit result which means Xizor "the defender" is not hit and ion has no effect on anyone.

2. Xizor passes the hit result to another friendly ship which is hit and takes the ion and damage.

3. Xizor is "hit" so receives the ion and damage. Passing the die result has no effect as the ion card cancels die results anyway.

I can't see putting the damage on one ship and the ion effect on another. Does not seem to fit the card text or any logical interpretation of these made up pew-pew weapons.

edit- ninja'd So #3? Makes the most sense to me.

To quote the wrong franchise: "fascinating." I don't see any clear way to answer this without an FAQ which won't happen until the Starviper gets released. The ion turret adds and extra little clause about "hits the target ship" which piles on some more delicious uncertainty. Could conceivably rule three ways:

1. Xizor passes the hit result which means Xizor "the defender" is not hit and ion has no effect on anyone.

2. Xizor passes the hit result to another friendly ship which is hit and takes the ion and damage.

3. Xizor is "hit" so receives the ion and damage. Passing the die result has no effect as the ion card cancels die results anyway.

I can't see putting the damage on one ship and the ion effect on another. Does not seem to fit the card text or any logical interpretation of these made up pew-pew weapons.

edit- ninja'd So #3? Makes the most sense to me.

Right, #3 is the only way this can go. #1 is not possible because in order for the hit result to be passed it has to be "uncancelled". The moment it is considered "uncancelled" Xizor is considered to be hit per the Compare Results section of combat. Ion kicks in and cancels it and damages/ions xizor. #2 is not possible because only the defender may be "hit" by an attack, per the core rules. We know that based on Draw their Fire - the ship that suffers the damage is not considered to be hit by the attack.

STOP CALLING [bOOM] RESULTS HITS!!!!!

(this one fan convention has caused more confusion than anything else in the entire game)

"Hit" means one thing and one thing only in this game

If there is at least one uncanceled [boom] or [kaboom] result remaining, the defender is considered hit

Who is the defender in a combat?

Step one of the combat phase tells us, the ship the attacker choose to attack (ie Xizor)

Was there an uncancelled [boom] or [kaboom] result?

Xizor's ability cannot trigger if there isn't, so by definition there is, which means Xizor was "hit" by the attack. Even if the uncancelled result was moved to another ship there was still

at least one uncanceled [boom] or [kaboom] result remaining

in the compare results step therefore the attack was a hit

Then the ion effect kicks in and cancels all dice results, so the [boom] or [kaboom] result that was transferred gets canceled along with all the other results and the defender (Xizor, nothing has or can change that he was the defender) takes the ion token and point of damage.

This is an identical situation to Draw Their Fire and there is absolutely nothing there that is remotely unclear, you just have to actually read the rules involved.

STOP CALLING [bOOM] RESULTS HITS!!!!!

(this one fan convention has caused more confusion than anything else in the entire game)

"Hit" means one thing and one thing only in this game

If there is at least one uncanceled [boom] or [kaboom] result remaining, the defender is considered hit

Who is the defender in a combat?

Step one of the combat phase tells us, the ship the attacker choose to attack (ie Xizor)

Was there an uncancelled [boom] or [kaboom] result?

Xizor's ability cannot trigger if there isn't, so by definition there is, which means Xizor was "hit" by the attack. Even if the uncancelled result was moved to another ship there was still

at least one uncanceled [boom] or [kaboom] result remaining

in the compare results step therefore the attack was a hit

Then the ion effect kicks in and cancels all dice results, so the [boom] or [kaboom] result that was transferred gets canceled along with all the other results and the defender (Xizor, nothing has or can change that he was the defender) takes the ion token and point of damage.

This is an identical situation to Draw Their Fire and there is absolutely nothing there that is remotely unclear, you just have to actually read the rules involved.

Mic drop

If this attack hits the defender suffers. So it is not like you can pass the damage to others. Ion Cannons have a way of canceling alot of abilities such as R2-D2.

Makes sense fluff wise. Ion cannons are designed to short out your all you systems, so no ammount of techno-trickery can stop them.

If this attack hits the defender suffers. So it is not like you can pass the damage to others. Ion Cannons have a way of canceling alot of abilities such as R2-D2.

Really? What part of either of the R2-D2s does the Ion Cannon cancel? The "green maneuver" requirement for triggering the Astromech due to the force 1 forward white? Maybe I can give you that but it isn't so much cancelling the ability as just stopping its trigger.

Makes sense fluff wise. Ion cannons are designed to short out your all you systems, so no ammount of techno-trickery can stop them.

It also doesn't make sense as the abilities of Draw their Fire and Xizor are both to simulate a wingman suffering the attack in your stead, not really techno-trickery in many cases. But in both cases the Ion weapon rule turns the attacking ship into a sniper somehow miraculously. The only wingman effect that works against them is Biggs who takes the attack from the declare target step. One of those weird quirky wrinkles in the game.

Behold...... Ion cannons are coming