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How precisely are you going to make a twin-linked revolver ? Hmmm?
Very carefully
Twin-linked? Phhht. Try triple.
Well, in my group, there is a kick ass techpriest who is going further and further down the radical path :-)
I myself am a psyker, who want to maximize the firepower he can get from Divine Shot (see the other thread i made on the pistol "cowboy" psyker build).
But my GM said that this infamous creation is not going to please the machine spirit as two weapons are being totally dismantled to be part of a new one.
I have to make a Knowledge test (Tech) followed by a difficult Tech use test in order to please the machine spirit and review the weapon before i can use it. An utter failure will mean not being able to use it for a full day. A degree of failure will cause the weapon to be unreliable or to overheat.
@ Angel of death : excellent! There are a few guns my psyker would love to divine shot with!
I don't know about twin linked, But we already have combi-weapon pistols since the 1860's thanks to the the Lemat Grapeshot pistol.
It combines a .36 cap & ball revolver with a 20 gauge shotgun barrel.
I have to make a Knowledge test (Tech) followed by a difficult Tech use test in order to please the machine spirit and review the weapon before i can use it. An utter failure will mean not being able to use it for a full day. A degree of failure will cause the weapon to be unreliable or to overheat.
Sounds a bit draconic to me, just a step below the infamous "rocks fall" meme...
It combines a .36 cap & ball revolver with a 20 gauge shotgun barrel.
People built some crazy guns back then! It's almost sad how modern weapons all look relatively sane/boring.
How precisely are you going to make a twin-linked revolver ? Hmmm?
T'be fair, I don't believe the Carnodon is actually a revolver. The reload time is consistent with other box magazine-fed weapons, not the known revolvers, and it has a semi-auto fire rate, unlike the known revolvers.
In the description, they classify it in the handcanon category. Are all handcanons revolvers?
How precisely are you going to make a twin-linked revolver ? Hmmm?
T'be fair, I don't believe the Carnodon is actually a revolver. The reload time is consistent with other box magazine-fed weapons, not the known revolvers, and it has a semi-auto fire rate, unlike the known revolvers.
So it is THIS thing? >>>>
It combines a .36 cap & ball revolver with a 20 gauge shotgun barrel.
People built some crazy guns back then! It's almost sad how modern weapons all look relatively sane/boring.
They even had explosive rounds in the american civil war! Not to disimilar to how bolt rounds work (except they weren't self propelled) but these things literraly exploded inside the body of the poor guy who got shot hit by it. But they were rarely used, because people tought of them as unsportsmanlike overkill. "It's bad enough that we shoot a man without having to blow him up aswell." You can watch it here. Skip to 23.27
Considering how countries try to fight their wars (drones and missiles) that attitude seems ... hypocritical.
In the description, they classify it in the handcanon category. Are all handcanons revolvers?
Certainly some handcannons utilize revolver mechanisms ... but a revolver isn't going to have a semi- or full- auto fire rate. An auto-loader can, though, admittedly, the rounds a handcannon would fire would require a particularly sturdy mechanism to pull it off.
Anything with a semi- or full- auto fire rate is not a revolver (I mean, unless you find something godawful like a twin-linked or storm weapon using a revolver mechanism, which is going to be a major pain to reload in any sort of combat setting, and will likely be decidedly unwieldy); also, revolver mechanisms (since the concept of speed loaders appears to have been lost by M41) take longer to reload than an auto-loading mechanism that isn't belt-fed. And, I want to be clear, if it's belt fed, it should be an energy weapon or something heavier and larger than a pistol.
Considering how countries try to fight their wars (drones and missiles) that attitude seems ... hypocritical.
Well, back then in the Pre-WW2 era, countries had a different outlook on how to conduct warfare. Especially in the Napoleonic Wars, where everyone marched in bright uniforms and neatly ordered columns, knowing that the enemy would abide by the same rules out of honour. Even in WW1, soldiers still propagated the image of knightly conduct, although of course it started to crumble with the advent of mass killings in the form of machine guns and gas warfare.
Nowadays? White phosphorus, napalm, cluster munitions, uranium rounds, ... you could say the reality of human barbarism has caught up with our lofty ideals. Once you fight an enemy who doesn't care for whatever rules you may establish for "civilised warfare", it quickly comes down to both sides just wanting to win at all costs, with the civilian populace bearing the greatest sacrifice.
Edited by Lynata
Before WWI the use of Maxim guns was considered unsportsmanlike (it was ok, to use against the Zulus tough!
) and using steel helmets was almost considered cheating.
Photographs of the corpse-strewn battlefields of Antietam and Gettysburg also brought home the horrors of war.
Edited by Robin Graves...or a Vox Legi of common/higher quality loaded with executioner rounds
Eh, Vox Legi is okay, but I like the Skitarii Vanaheim Assault Shotgun; more range and full auto. Also, the Rend pattern shotgun is good, it has Tearing, and also can be used full auto.
There is also the Carnodon (Inquisitor's handbook, produced in Hive worlds)
35 meters range, s/3/- 1d10 + 4 , pen 2 , clip 6, full action reload, accurate
In my opinion, its a weapon of choice if you wield two weapons and have a solid munition pistol training.
I have a tech priest who is going to make a twin pattern weapon out of two Carnodon pistols. This is going to be an ass kicking weapon.
Sigh ... See post #11 on the previous page...
In the description, they classify it in the handcanon category. Are all handcanons revolvers?
Certainly some handcannons utilize revolver mechanisms ... but a revolver isn't going to have a semi- or full- auto fire rate.
Anything with a semi- or full- auto fire rate is not a revolver (I mean, unless you find something godawful like a twin-linked or storm weapon using a revolver mechanism, which is going to be a major pain to reload in any sort of combat setting, and will likely be decidedly unwieldy); also, revolver mechanisms (since the concept of speed loaders appears to have been lost by M41) take longer to reload than an auto-loading mechanism that isn't belt-fed. And, I want to be clear, if it's belt fed, it should be an energy weapon or something heavier and larger than a pistol.
Might I present to you..the Webley-Fosbery auto-revolver (made from 1901-1915)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley-Fosbery_Automatic_Revolver
And the Mateba Unica-6 (made in 1997)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mateba_Autorevolver
and really..who cares if a revolver hand canon is a pain to relaod in combat, this is 40k; praticality is secondary to looking good.....
The Mateba really does look like it comes out of Necromunda.
The Mateba really does look like it comes out of Necromunda.
I know it's the chosen sidearm of Togosa (?) the more human (as in, he only got his cyber-brain) mullet sporting guy from Ghost in the Shell
There's "galaxy of guns" and there is padding your weapon section. Maybe I'm spoiled from to much Shadowrun/cyberpunk "shopping catalogues" but they could have come up with something a bit more diffrent. I'm, not asking for bordrelands levels of variet-ah screw it, I am! More diffrent guns please!
There is also unnecessarily creating different stats just to justify printing separate rules for them. If a weapon is not sufficiently different from the stock weapon to justify a difference, don't treat them different in game terms. Ok. they could have done it more cleanly ("Use the stats for a standard stub revolver") rather than print a whole other weapon line, but I don't mind them having things with identical stats.
At least it isn't as bad as the d20 modern guns book (Modern Arms guide?). I don't know how many different times they listed and statted varients on the FN-FAL, AK series, FN Minimi & MAG... and then many of the genuinely different weapons just had identical game stats as well. Would one entry with "These weapons all count as the same weapon" not have done?
The problem with reused names and different stat profiles is slightly larger, especially when expanding to cover other game lines.
I guess that's more of a problem with the studio apparently being unwilling to truly commit to whether the product lines should be regarded either as isolated stand-alones all with their own rules and profiles (makes the most sense given how they've adapted things to each game), or as fully compatible and interconnected relatives where you can just migrate things from one game into another (given how this keeps being suggested as an option in certain text boxes).
This current "in-between" condition results in a weird pseudo-status that I think may evoke false expectations in a lot of players (and, more dangerously, GMs).
The same items and NPCs having different profiles is only logical if we keep in mind that all the games have a unique thematic approach, with rules hand-tailored to evoking different styles of narration. And in some cases it was even a result of player criticism, like player lobbying in Only War leading to all las weapons having a charge slider, instead of just one in Black Crusade, and none in Dark Heresy. *shrug*
To be fair, DH, RT and DW can mix and match as they do have, as base, the same basic weapon tables in the armoury section, with DW adding the Astartes Grade weapons.
A lasgun is a lasgun is a lasgun after all. Patterns may change the power output, range, firing modes, but it,s pretty much the same gimmick.
The whole system began to fall off, according to me, with Black Crusade/Only War.
In B.C. the setting was because the Heretics were not bound by the Mechanicus’s dogma about not fiddling around with the machine spirit. Unfortunately, the way char gen is made, skills, attributes and talents are bought, and how combat changed dramatically, this previous concept of being able to merge game systems is no longer valid, if only with extensive work from a willing participant.
In Only War there was the Triplex pattern, but whining from the forums forced the hands of the powers-that-be and they added that power setting to ALL personal las weapons, with no ‘in universe’ reason to suddenly have lasguns with that option (because I guess people wanted to play guardsmen, but still be able to one-shot an Ork). But again the combat and advancement system differs from the original stock and therefore cannot really be mixed.
BC/OW also weaken the effects of critical hits (a weak crit effect, or if you make no damage a wooping automatic 1 wound, wow!) so while in DH/RT/DW, you could always one shot a CSM with a good roll with your trusty generic-pattern lasgun (rare, but a possibility), you’ll only give him a minor annoyance in BC/OW, worse case he’ll may drop his weapons..maybe?
My problem with weapon stats in WH40KRP games is that there is no mechanic that encourages 'characterful' weapon choices like many of the characters in 40k fiction; instead the most powerful weapon in each category as the default 'right' choice. The long-running character Kal Jericho, for instance, uses twin laspistols in his stories, yet these are flat-out joke weapons in WH40KRP .
Also, people play WH40KRP specifically because they like the 40Kverse, so new weapons that render the iconic weapons of the setting statistically obsolete are a constant source of irritation for me.
As for Kal, I always saw his laspistols as being
1-High quality (He is a noble from the Spire after all)
2-as no one seems to have any real form of armour apart from leathers in the Necromunda underhive, laspistols cut right through this like hot knife through butter.
3- Granted, I haven’t read his adventure past Necromunda, so don’t know how he managed, but he’s also the hero, so he is allowed to bend the rules, thanks to writer’s FIAT.