Yep, but that's the only way the bit with "Dante is the oldest Space Marine" in GW's books adds up. If you'd count the ones in stasis or lost in the Warp for some time, I'm sure many others are way older than "just" 1,100 years even without Blood Angel geneseed (DreadBjorn for example), obviously exceeding the lifespan suggested by GW.

And in my opinion, the Primarchs are dead, but that's merely a matter of personal preference, in particular one's threshold in terms of (pseudo-) realism vs sheer epicness.

Though either way you are right -- time has no meaning in the Warp!

Maybe we need to establish some rules for this oldest SM alive contest:

1. Being in stasis doesn't count.
2. No dreadnoughts.
3. Time spent in the warp doesn't count .
4. Same for Webway, Commoragh, Necron tomb worlds or Mongo.
5. There is no rule #5!
6. No Primarchs.

That reminds me:

In inquisition war it is revealed that a person going into stasis still feels the emotion he felt when he goes into stasis while in stasis. Yes even tough there is no passage of time you are still thinking that same tought over and over. Wich would suck if you are a certain ultramarine primarch. Can you immagine an eterinity of thinking this one tought: "Man, this hurts." ?

Ofcourse Inquisition war includes Squats and other weird stuff, so it's not eaxctly what you call "canon".

If it's a contest, we probably need to establish rules for sources as well, as I'm pretty sure the various books will disagree on that part.

Regarding Ian Watson's take on stasis ... technically, it doesn't even sound that contradictory. If you assume that time stops, doesn't that include any thought or emotion? It doesn't disappear, it just gets "frozen" together with you, so that you'll still have it on your mind once somebody wakes you up.

Or did the books actually explain it more like a processing of that thought or emotion, in that you actually mull it over? Like the Alien franchise's hypersleep capsules, in which you can actually dream? Though that sounds as if people should actually be able to "change" their thought/emotion as well. You can't think without .. well, thinking.

On a sidenote, I've only read one of the books ages ago, but I still remember I liked it. Definitely recommendable.

Also, squats were mentioned in the 5th edition TT rulebook!

PS: bonus "bwahaha" @ mentioning canon.

But can you think without time to think? (Great, that sounds like something the Doctor would say. )

What i got from it was that it's like thinking the same thing over and over and it sorta building up.

SPOILERS: In the book a character that had, let's say, doubts about his loyalty to the Emperor goes into stasis,and when they open up the stasis pod after a few years he comes out a full fledged chaos worshipper.

It's not the Demiurg is it?

But can you think without time to think?

I'd say no. "Thought" is something that occurs via miniscule electric impulses traversing our brain. Without time, this would not happen; the impulses would get stuck mid-flight.

Unless we speculate that stasis doesn't actually stop time but merely slows it down, so that years would feel like, say, minutes. I'm sure this wouldn't be noticed under ordinary circumstances where people only go into stasis for a few years. Edge-cases, however, might go into stasis for 10,000 years and come out of it having aged a full week .. and probably gone mad from being stuck with their thoughts for as long!

Tbh, with technology in 40k being as unreliable as it is, I could even accept this existing alongside "full timestop" stasis, with the slow-down versions simply being damaged or poorly maintained capsules because nobody remembers how to properly fix them, exactly like with Space Marine implants or overheating plasma guns.

[edit] Oh boy, this could make for a fiendishly twisted 40k campaign. Imagine somebody pulls Guillaume or some other legendary leader (Astartes or otherwise) out of stasis and they turn out to have gone crazy, leading a bunch of dedicated followers into a cultist secession from Imperial rule, with the Inquisition scrambling to put them down and quell any rumours of their "resurrection"...

Who knows, maybe Cypher is actually a maddened Lion'el Jonson who somehow escaped The Rock after being revived and surprisingly killing his guardians?

It's not the Demiurg is it?

No, the demiurg were presented as an actual alien race. The TT rulebook referred to squats as abhumans, like ratlings or ogryns.

Hey sweet! beastmen are back to!

Felinids? as in feline?

I can haz 40k catgirls?

Kawaii!!!

You're not nearly the first to make that joke.

Also, keep in mind hirsutism is actually a real thing and doesn't look quite as "cute". ^^

Oh I know, I was suprised at how many imperial guard catgirl art i found. (as in proper IG fan art, not NSFW loli's on space marines art.)

Thing is hirsutism doesn't make me think of cats. Reminds me a bit of Larry Talbot as the wolfman. Maybe should have called them Lupids.

I wonder if the felinids might not be a nodd to the Tau being the "anime faction" (look if your giant bipeadal warmachines look like gundams, you're the anime faction, right? ) So somebody at GW was having a bit of fun putting in catgirls in 40k.

Well, Squats were killed off in-universe, not "they never existed" retconned (and there are still some of them alive IIRC, who weren't at home when the 'nids came), so it's not surprising they show up on lists. The rumour the GW's death squad comes for you when you mention them is quite unfou